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Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/22/2008 10:52:16 PM
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ljmac
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If Democrats were pro-life there would be a lot more black representatives in Congress. Blacks would have more power and influence in Washington and more power and influence in the states.
Blacks make up about 16% of the American population, but black babies account for about 35% of abortion victims. In the spirit of planned parenthood founder Margaret Sanger, abortion is used to suppress black influence in America.
Sanger had her Negro Project, which was designed to supress the growth of the black population. The spirit of her racism lives today in the heart of liberal's most cherished activity, killing the unborn.
While liberals wring their bloody hands about imaginary plots to supress black voter participation, they kill hundreds of future black voters every day.
If Democrats were pro-life, you'd be stading in line with a lot more black people on election day.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/22/2008 10:56:11 PM
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I have said before, the best way to defeat abortion is not to get pregnant.
so even if your statistics are true, if one does not get pregnant in the first place, that would be the way they would not have that happen what you said. if a woman gets pregnant on purpose, they are not a victim. there are too many girls that have weird uneducated thoughts about the whole idea of becoming a mommy. teach those girls about abstinence and they wont have to be an abortion victim.
in fact, if a girl - black or white - took control of their body before getting pregnant, the government would have no power over her, since she is taking control of her body and not having an abortion.
see how simple!
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/22/2008 11:09:12 PM
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I have said before, the best way to defeat abortion is not to get pregnant.
so even if your statistics are true, if one does not get pregnant in the first place, that would be the way they would not have that happen what you said. if a woman gets pregnant on purpose, they are not a victim. there are too many girls that have weird uneducated thoughts about the whole idea of becoming a mommy. teach those girls about abstinence and they wont have to be an abortion victim.
in fact, if a girl - black or white - took control of their body before getting pregnant, the government would have no power over her, since she is taking control of her body and not having an abortion.
see how simple!
So long as abortion is readily available and seen as a viable option for after the fact birth control good luck teaching folks about doing the right thing...
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/22/2008 11:10:21 PM
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I have said before, the best way to defeat abortion is not to get pregnant.
so even if your statistics are true, if one does not get pregnant in the first place, that would be the way they would not have that happen what you said. if a woman gets pregnant on purpose, they are not a victim. there are too many girls that have weird uneducated thoughts about the whole idea of becoming a mommy. teach those girls about abstinence and they wont have to be an abortion victim.
in fact, if a girl - black or white - took control of their body before getting pregnant, the government would have no power over her, since she is taking control of her body and not having an abortion.
see how simple!
You could say the same about any other crime. Teaching kids to respect the property of others doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws against theft. Teaching kids to watch their alcohol intake doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws against drunk driving. And teaching boys to respect women doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws against rape.
That's all beside the point. The most effective way to supress black influence in America is to kill blacks. The way our society does that is to kill them before birth.
more effective than the kkk
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/22/2008 11:24:10 PM
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Blacks make up about 16% of the American population, but black babies account for about 35% of abortion victims.
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I read an article about a couple of months ago and your percentage of 35% of abortion victims being black may not be quite accurate. I won't deny that abortion rates are higher in the black community but its high in all of the races. But back to the point i was trying to make.
There are many women of different races being inpregnated by black men. Some people choose not to label their child as biracial and usually they will just say this child is black. So when studies are done, they may not be taking in account these biracial children. They may categorizing all of these children as black. Yes, they are half black, but they are also half whatever the mother's race was as well. Women of all colors are having abortions.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/22/2008 11:26:55 PM
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I have said before, the best way to defeat abortion is not to get pregnant.
so even if your statistics are true, if one does not get pregnant in the first place, that would be the way they would not have that happen what you said. if a woman gets pregnant on purpose, they are not a victim. there are too many girls that have weird uneducated thoughts about the whole idea of becoming a mommy. teach those girls about abstinence and they wont have to be an abortion victim.
in fact, if a girl - black or white - took control of their body before getting pregnant, the government would have no power over her, since she is taking control of her body and not having an abortion.
see how simple!
You're right. If only it were so simple. The same argument has been made for abstinence education. Yet, the elite liberals tell us that we acn't teach abstinence, because kids are gonna do it anyway. So, we have to teach the to be responsible. Now we have to teach them about alternative sexual lifestyles too. And, when protection doesn't work, well they can always abort the mistake.
It's rather ironic how the further we, as a society, have moved away from God, the more our social problems seem to grow.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/22/2008 11:28:35 PM
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Worldwide there are babies of all colors and races being killed. In China it's to satisfy the one child quota or in India to combat "overpopulation". It's not just black babies being targeted. In this country, there is a big push in the hispanic communities as well.
Im_A_Christian: Eloquently put but as a pastor at my church used to say, "It's that simple and it's that complicated!"
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/22/2008 11:33:05 PM
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Anyone who studies the philosophy and writings of Margaret Sager would see the evil in abortion and Planned Parenthood which, guess who, supports.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/22/2008 11:41:49 PM
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Blacks make up about 16% of the American population, but black babies account for about 35% of abortion victims.
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I read an article about a couple of months ago and your percentage of 35% of abortion victims being black may not be quite accurate. I won't deny that abortion rates are higher in the black community but its high in all of the races. But back to the point i was trying to make.
There are many women of different races being inpregnated by black men. Some people choose not to label their child as biracial and usually they will just say this child is black. So when studies are done, they may not be taking in account these biracial children. They may categorizing all of these children as black. Yes, they are half black, but they are also half whatever the mother's race was as well. Women of all colors are having abortions.
Here is what Planned Parenthood has to say. "Thirty-seven percent of abortions occur to black women, 34% to non-Hispanic white women, 22% to Hispanic women and 8% to women of other races."
minorities on the chopping block
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/22/2008 11:47:01 PM
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Blacks make up about 16% of the American population, but black babies account for about 35% of abortion victims.
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I read an article about a couple of months ago and your percentage of 35% of abortion victims being black may not be quite accurate. I won't deny that abortion rates are higher in the black community but its high in all of the races. But back to the point i was trying to make.
There are many women of different races being inpregnated by black men. Some people choose not to label their child as biracial and usually they will just say this child is black. So when studies are done, they may not be taking in account these biracial children. They may categorizing all of these children as black. Yes, they are half black, but they are also half whatever the mother's race was as well. Women of all colors are having abortions.
Here is what Planned Parenthood has to say. "Thirty-seven percent of abortions occur to black women, 34% to non-Hispanic white women, 22% to Hispanic women and 8% to women of other races."
minorities on the chopping block
If you go out and talk to many biracial people, they won't tell you that they are biracial. They will say their black. I'm mixed (mom's black, dad's white) however I usually just say I'm black because when I look in the mirror, I don't see a "other" person staring back at me, I see a black person! Therefore, i think the numbers are a little off due to how people classify their race.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 1:50:53 AM
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Actually Abstinence-only program do not work because they give insufficient information on anatomy and physiology, what constitutes sexual behavior, STD's, sexual psychology, conception and prenatal development, etc.
Sex-Ed programs which give sound medical science info which encompasses the above subjects and includes a thorough dissemination of contraceptive methods with abstinenced stressed as the only fool-proof method, and also provides encouragement for students to resist peer and other social pressures, have a far greater success rate. My mother taught us out of her medical manuals, and had always answered our questions about sexual matters according to our age level. So the "birds and the bees" were no big deal. My brother was a virgin when he married, and while I was the "wilder" one of us, I didn't have sex until I left home at age 18 and in a monogamous relationship (well, monogamous on my part as it turned out).
Most of my peers, including the church kids, had lost their virginity well before they graduated from high school, and most of them knew very little about sex let alone birth control or abstinence. Quite a few girls had to go visit with a "sick aunt" for a year, but we all knew they had gotten pregnant.
Some churches teach parents how to teach their kids about sex, and its amazing how many parents themselves are ignorant about sexual matters. "The less you know the better" is NOT a good strategy in this day and time with so many STD's around, several of them incurable and 4 of them fatal. Our kids cannot defend themselves if they are ignorant of the war.
My friends who are black say that the basis of the problem in their community is the overwhelmingly pervasive sexualization of the culture. Girls learn that they are sex toys at a very early age, and you can see this from the media aimed at blacks. Boys learn at an early age that they are expected to use women and that women are not to be respected or protected. And men and women do not respect or trust each other, either. Women expect that men will use, abuse, and leave them, and treat them accordingly. Men expect that women will put up with anything just to have a man, and act accordingly. Those who try to rise above this get labeled as Oreos or Uncle Toms, and those who are trying to resurrect the church as the defining force in the black community are often ridiculed the same way.
Abortion is not much practiced among Native women, as we very much value children as sacred. We do have problems with sexualization and sexual abuse, but no one talks about it. Family dysfunction tends to be the residue of the Boarding School era (1876-1964) when children were forcibly removed from their parents and placed in the Boarding Schools for their formative years so as to extinguish their native cultures- and were horrendously abused in the process. Parents weren't allowed to be parents and children weren't allowed to grow up in a family. Men weren't allowed to protect their wives and daughters from sexual exploitation or provide for their families. Even up thru the 80's Native women and girls were forcibly sterilized or given forced abortions and Native children routinely taken from parents and adopted out to non-Indian families. Native kids in off-rez schools are often treated quite badly by non-Indian fellow students and abused by non-Indian staff. Many drop out of school by the 8th grade.
American Indian Policy has been an experiment in forced acculturation and social engineering in this country, and has failed miserably. What's going on in the black community for the past 400-some-odd years is very much the same.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 2:59:04 AM
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American Indian Policy has been an experiment in forced acculturation and social engineering in this country, and has failed miserably. What's going on in the black community for the past 400-some-odd years is very much the same.
Like most of us human beings, I have trouble fully comprehending historical events outside the context of the 45 years I ahve been on this planet. While much can be debated about the acculturation of ethnic groups, in the past 30 years there has been another acculturation occurring. Essentially, since the advent of MTV, black culture, hiphop culture, has permeated the nation. As has already been stated, there are some cultural things in the black community that promote sex outside marriage and treating women as playthings to be used and abused. As rap music has gained popularity, we now see kids of all races trying to emulate their idols from the black culture. Not just in clothing styles and music tastes, but in the way they treat each other.
Palehawkwoman. Since I know that native issues are close to your heart, I'll share this story. I used to work in a juvenile detention facility in Alaska. We had kids of every color and creed inhabit the unit. There was a young native kid from one of the outlying villages who had been brought in for a crime. Eventually, he was placed in foster care. He ran from his foster home and was caught several months later. If you've ever heard the native Alaskan accent, you'd know it's very distinct. This young man came into the facility speaking black vernacular. I was seeing a native kid and hearing black lingo. On the unit, the kid acted nothing like he had in his previous stay. He tried to be the big bad gang banger.
This acculturation you speak of seems to be an ongoing process. Now, it is fed ever more so by the media.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 8:16:55 AM
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The problem with this assumption is....not all black people vote for black candidates.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 9:11:35 AM
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I have said before, the best way to defeat abortion is not to get pregnant.
so even if your statistics are true, if one does not get pregnant in the first place, that would be the way they would not have that happen what you said. if a woman gets pregnant on purpose, they are not a victim. there are too many girls that have weird uneducated thoughts about the whole idea of becoming a mommy. teach those girls about abstinence and they wont have to be an abortion victim.
in fact, if a girl - black or white - took control of their body before getting pregnant, the government would have no power over her, since she is taking control of her body and not having an abortion.
see how simple!
So long as abortion is readily available and seen as a viable option for after the fact birth control good luck teaching folks about doing the right thing...
nevertheless, ABSTINENCE is the weapon against abortion. the 2nd weapon would be teach kids morals. With those two weapons, no matter if abortion was legal up to the 12th year of life even, (im exaggerating).. with the weapons of abstinence and morals, no body would consent to having an abortion, because it would not be desired. Abstinence would prevent 100% of all pregnancies, and morals would prevent 100% of choosing abortion/murder. Again, I am correct and I present a simple solution! you can pat me on the back now for how simple my plan is, yet 100% effective!
actually on a more serious note, I cannot agree with people who claim they are "victims" when its their own participation in the act of conception, that they are really voluntarily contributing (i am not talking rape).
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 9:17:49 AM
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I have said before, the best way to defeat abortion is not to get pregnant.
so even if your statistics are true, if one does not get pregnant in the first place, that would be the way they would not have that happen what you said. if a woman gets pregnant on purpose, they are not a victim. there are too many girls that have weird uneducated thoughts about the whole idea of becoming a mommy. teach those girls about abstinence and they wont have to be an abortion victim.
in fact, if a girl - black or white - took control of their body before getting pregnant, the government would have no power over her, since she is taking control of her body and not having an abortion.
see how simple!
So long as abortion is readily available and seen as a viable option for after the fact birth control good luck teaching folks about doing the right thing...
nevertheless, ABSTINENCE is the weapon against abortion. the 2nd weapon would be teach kids morals. With those two weapons, no matter if abortion was legal up to the 12th year of life even, (im exaggerating).. with the weapons of abstinence and morals, no body would consent to having an abortion, because it would not be desired. Abstinence would prevent 100% of all pregnancies, and morals would prevent 100% of choosing abortion/murder. Again, I am correct and I present a simple solution! you can pat me on the back now for how simple my plan is, yet 100% effective!
actually on a more serious note, I cannot agree with people who claim they are "victims" when its their own participation in the act of conception, that they are really voluntarily contributing (i am not talking rape).
I agree with this - but neither presidential candidate has stated HOW to make this happen.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 9:56:49 AM
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Essentially, since the advent of MTV, black culture, hiphop culture, has permeated the nation. As has already been stated, there are some cultural things in the black community that promote sex outside marriage and treating women as playthings to be used and abused. As rap music has gained popularity, we now see kids of all races trying to emulate their idols from the black culture. Not just in clothing styles and music tastes, but in the way they treat each other.
Let me first say, you can't judge a community if you're not apart of it and don't know much of it to speak on it. What you described is not what all "black" Americans are all about, you'd be surprised that it's lot smaller than you and some others who think like you want to acknowledge. The same thing you're accusing a community of people of spreading to others of different races to emulate are the same things that days of rock-n-roll, days of heavy metal, the hippies of the 70's have been promoting long before, and even then people placed blame on those things for promoting sex outside marriage and treating women as playthings.
I know it's so easy to place blame somewhere, but many of these things have been problems for longer than since MTV and some cultural things in the "black" community. Promiscuity is something that's been widespread for awhile, maybe it seems like it's just been since the 90's and 2000's because of the supposedly "culture of the black community" supposedly penetrating others outside "the black community"; give me a break.
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If Democrats were pro-life there would be a lot more black representatives in Congress. Blacks would have more power and influence in Washington and more power and influence in the states. Blacks make up about 16% of the American population, but black babies account for about 35% of abortion victims. In the spirit of planned parenthood founder Margaret Sanger, abortion is used to suppress black influence in America. Sanger had her Negro Project, which was designed to supress the growth of the black population. The spirit of her racism lives today in the heart of liberal's most cherished activity, killing the unborn...
If Democrats were pro-life, you'd be stading in line with a lot more black people on election day.
What in the world, you can't say if Democrats were pro-life, you don't know if all Democrats are that way or not, because newsflash, not all convervatives are pro-life either, so stop it with the generaliztions. The "black" congressmen (I put quotes because just because their skin is dark, doesn't make them "black", some are mixed, not that it matters because we're not all pure blooded of one specific ethnicity, but that's a subject for another time) do what they can to help their community. It's funny, for someone who talks about less government involvement, you for some reason think it's the job of these congressmen to do something. While they like any other congressmen can only do so much, it's a lot larger than that. It starts in the church. The church should take steps to have programs that prevent abortions, along with sex education in schools, and community programs. When all three are working together, then some progress can be made.
However though there are churches within the "black community" assuming all "blacks" went to a majority black church (which many don't), that are mega churches, they could be a huge help with the amount of money those churches have for programs within their churches. Reality is, many churches in the black community don't have the funds and have a hard time keeping younger members attending, but it's all a matter of planning. Not to say those smaller churches don't have programs, they may have, but if it's not working, then go another route until some type of a change is seen. It also goes a bit further than the sex education programs. It's such a stigma especially if the African-American females are Christians, to be pregnant and not married. So instead of bringing shame on themselves, they choose abortion. Some other reasons because they or their family can't afford the medical costs of going to the doctor and the medicine, let alone the cost of raising one, so for them abortion is the best thing for them. Even if the mother wanted to go the adoption route, many choose not to because of how many African-American children are never adopted... because guess what, for as many abortions there are around the same percentage of African-Americans waiting to be adopted that never get that chance.
Knock it if you want, but you can' condem or judge a woman for making that decision for herself. Many of the people who oppose abortion even outside of the black community, don't do much to help many African-American females. So for people like yourself, Ljmac, instead of judging them and condeming them to hell, you need to ask yourself what can you can do to help. It's easy for someone to write and question the situation, but actually get out there in their community and make a difference if this is such a problem to you that you find an issue with. I have through my church and city-funded programs and though I don't expect to make a huge difference at first, I know that in time, things will turn around.
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While liberals wring their bloody hands about imaginary plots to supress black voter participation, they kill hundreds of future black voters every day.
Off topic, voter suppression and intimidation isn't imaginary, just because you and some others you know haven't been affected by it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That's like saying rasicm doesn't exist... 
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 11:57:44 AM
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Blacks make up about 16% of the American population, but black babies account for about 35% of abortion victims.
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I read an article about a couple of months ago and your percentage of 35% of abortion victims being black may not be quite accurate. I won't deny that abortion rates are higher in the black community but its high in all of the races. But back to the point i was trying to make.
There are many women of different races being inpregnated by black men. Some people choose not to label their child as biracial and usually they will just say this child is black. So when studies are done, they may not be taking in account these biracial children. They may categorizing all of these children as black. Yes, they are half black, but they are also half whatever the mother's race was as well. Women of all colors are having abortions.
When the topic comes up about Obama being biracial people are pretty adamant he's black... When the subject changed the mother or father not being black makes a difference... Why is that?
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 12:10:09 PM
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Actually Abstinence-only program do not work because they give insufficient information on anatomy and physiology, what constitutes sexual behavior, STD's, sexual psychology, conception and prenatal development, etc.
They don't work because of the pervasive attitude towards sex and the fact that most folks have no honest fear of God, even many Christians... Consequences are not the result of action they infringe upon rights and the free will of man in the minds of most...
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My friends who are black say that the basis of the problem in their community is the overwhelmingly pervasive sexualization of the culture. Girls learn that they are sex toys at a very early age, and you can see this from the media aimed at blacks. Boys learn at an early age that they are expected to use women and that women are not to be respected or protected
What is aimed stems from the culture...
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And men and women do not respect or trust each other, either. Women expect that men will use, abuse, and leave them, and treat them accordingly.
The women use the men no more or less...
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 12:25:47 PM
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nevertheless, ABSTINENCE is the weapon against abortion. the 2nd weapon would be teach kids morals. With those two weapons, no matter if abortion was legal up to the 12th year of life even, (im exaggerating).. with the weapons of abstinence and morals, no body would consent to having an abortion, because it would not be desired. Abstinence would prevent 100% of all pregnancies, and morals would prevent 100% of choosing abortion/murder. Again, I am correct and I present a simple solution! you can pat me on the back now for how simple my plan is, yet 100% effective!
When you find the parallel universe that has the planet earth where man isn't born inherently sinful your simple plan might work.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 12:35:28 PM
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Essentially, since the advent of MTV, black culture, hiphop culture, has permeated the nation. As has already been stated, there are some cultural things in the black community that promote sex outside marriage and treating women as playthings to be used and abused. As rap music has gained popularity, we now see kids of all races trying to emulate their idols from the black culture. Not just in clothing styles and music tastes, but in the way they treat each other.
Let me first say, you can't judge a community if you're not apart of it and don't know much of it to speak on it. ...give me a break.
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If Democrats were pro-life there would be a lot more black representatives in Congress. Blacks would have more power and influence in Washington and more power and influence in the states. Blacks make up about 16% of the American population, but black babies account for about 35% of abortion victims. In the spirit of planned parenthood founder Margaret Sanger, abortion is used to suppress black influence in America. Sanger had her Negro Project, which was designed to supress the growth of the black population. The spirit of her racism lives today in the heart of liberal's most cherished activity, killing the unborn...
If Democrats were pro-life, you'd be stading in line with a lot more black people on election day.
What in the world, you can't say if Democrats were pro-life, you don't know if all Democrats are that way or not, because newsflash, not all convervatives are pro-life either, so stop it with the generaliztions. The "black" congressmen (I put quotes because just because their skin is dark, doesn't make them "black", some are mixed, not that it matters because we're not all pure blooded of one specific ethnicity, but that's a subject for another time) do what they can to help their community. It's funny, for someone who talks about less government involvement, you for some reason think it's the job of these congressmen to do something. While they like any other congressmen can only do so much, it's a lot larger than that. It starts in the church. The church should take steps to have programs that prevent abortions, along with sex education in schools, and community programs. When all three are working together, then some progress can be made.
However though there are churches within the "black community" assuming all "blacks" went to a majority black church (which many don't), that are mega churches, they could be a huge help with the amount of money those churches have for programs within their churches. Reality is, many churches in the black community don't have the funds and have a hard time keeping younger members attending, but it's all a matter of planning. Not to say those smaller churches don't have programs, they may have, but if it's not working, then go another route until some type of a change is seen. It also goes a bit further than the sex education programs. It's such a stigma especially if the African-American females are Christians, to be pregnant and not married. So instead of bringing shame on themselves, they choose abortion. Some other reasons because they or their family can't afford the medical costs of going to the doctor and the medicine, let alone the cost of raising one, so for them abortion is the best thing for them. Even if the mother wanted to go the adoption route, many choose not to because of how many African-American children are never adopted... because guess what, for as many abortions there are around the same percentage of African-Americans waiting to be adopted that never get that chance.
Knock it if you want, but you can' condem or judge a woman for making that decision for herself. Many of the people who oppose abortion even outside of the black community, don't do much to help many African-American females. So for people like yourself, Ljmac, instead of judging them and condeming them to hell, you need to ask yourself what can you can do to help. It's easy for someone to write and question the situation, but actually get out there in their community and make a difference if this is such a problem to you that you find an issue with. I have through my church and city-funded programs and though I don't expect to make a huge difference at first, I know that in time, things will turn around.
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While liberals wring their bloody hands about imaginary plots to supress black voter participation, they kill hundreds of future black voters every day.
Off topic, voter suppression and intimidation isn't imaginary, just because you and some others you know haven't been affected by it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That's like saying rasicm doesn't exist...
Democrats are NOT pro-life, they are enemies of the unborn. Every single Democratic candidate for the presidecy was a proponent of partial-birth abortion. They want it legal to suck the brains out of babies. BHO has gone even further to after birth abortion, claiming that it is unconstitutional to demand that babies who survive abortion get life saving medical care.
Less government? You've got to be kidding. There is no government bigger than the one who picks an chooses who may live and who may not.
Christianity is not defined by a woman "helping herself." If the focus in on self, there's a good chance it is anti-Christian, which abortion is.
I haven't condemned anyone to hell. You're coming unglued.
Pro-lifers, including myself, do a lot to help poor pregnant women. We support Pregnancy Counceling Centers, for one. Democrats hate these centers. They've been trying for years to shut them down. BHO has said quite clearly that these centers will get no help from the government if he's elected. But he loves Planned Parenthood, which recently got caught accepting money from people who said they want to abort black children.
Black women get abortions in hugely disproportionate numbers. It has cost the black community dearly in legal power. Liberals might as well be working hand in hand with the KKK.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 12:38:39 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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What in the world, you can't say if Democrats were pro-life, you don't know if all Democrats are that way or not, because newsflash, not all convervatives are pro-life either, so stop it with the generaliztions. The "black" congressmen (I put quotes because just because their skin is dark, doesn't make them "black", some are mixed, not that it matters because we're not all pure blooded of one specific ethnicity, but that's a subject for another time) do what they can to help their community.
I see... If there are negative overtones they are mixed race, not black...
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It's funny, for someone who talks about less government involvement, you for some reason think it's the job of these congressmen to do something. While they like any other congressmen can only do so much, it's a lot larger than that. It starts in the church. The church should take steps to have programs that prevent abortions, along with sex education in schools, and community programs. When all three are working together, then some progress can be made.
Not while the governing authority is saying it's ok to murder the unborn... People by nature will lean to the past of the least resistance and seemingly less consequences. Of course that not really the case, but His judgment isn't of concern for most folks. Our "rights" are far more important than what is right.
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Knock it if you want, but you can' condem or judge a woman for making that decision for herself.
They judge and condemn themselves by their actions...
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Many of the people who oppose abortion even outside of the black community, don't do much to help many African-American females.
If the whole world didn't lift a finger to help it's no excuse to do something wrong.
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So for people like yourself, Ljmac, instead of judging them and condeming them to hell, you need to ask yourself what can you can do to help. It's easy for someone to write and question the situation, but actually get out there in their community and make a difference if this is such a problem to you that you find an issue with. I have through my church and city-funded programs and though I don't expect to make a huge difference at first, I know that in time, things will turn around.
Voting for pro-abortion leaders is making a difference?
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 12:40:45 PM
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The problem with this assumption is....not all black people vote for black candidates.
Thank you
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 12:42:01 PM
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When you find the parallel universe that has the planet earth where man isn't born inherently sinful your simple plan might work.
so you think because man is depraved, sin and such will keep happening and that my plan is not gonna happen because of the depavity man is in?
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 12:46:23 PM
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