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Deliverance - 1/13/2008 4:29:15 PM
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savedbygrace45
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Deliverance
Have you ever been in bondage? If you're human you have. We've all been in bondage to sin. As Christians we are freed from that bondage. The Bible tells the story of a group of people who were in bondage. In the early chapters of Exodus we have the story of the Israelites who were in bondage in the land of Egypt. They had been there for 400 years. They weren't in bondage all that time, but over time they came to be in bondage. And they cried out to God. God didn't answer them immediately. He let them suffer for a while, but eventually He sent a deliverer. He sent Moses. Moses is a type of Christ. Moses was imperfect, like the rest of us. But God used him. Christ, on the other hand, was a perfect Deliverer. You may be a Christian, unbound by sin, and yet still in bondage. There are many things that bind us. But, praise God, there is a Deliverer! As we pray for deliverance may we recall the words of Moses as he said "Stand still and see the salvation of the Lord". What a precious word, that word "salvation". Some people are ashamed to use it. Once, in my infancy, I was ashamed to use it. Because the world doesn't like words like "salvation" and "repentance". But those are the very cornerstones upon which our faith is based. There's a song that goes "Stand still and see the salvation of the Lord, Moses cried. Then God, He parted the water, and they crossed on the other side". God hears our cries. He knows the things that bind us. He is able to deliver. He has the power. Your victory (and mine) is just around the corner. Believe it! Pray for it! The Deliverer is on His way.
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"Thank You Father for speaking to us through Your Word. It is so precious Father. Through it we learn Your character. We learn the ways You move. Move in our lives Father. Deliver us from the things that bind us. Just like You delivered the Israelites from the Egyptians. I know You have the power Father. Help us to stand in awe as we watch Your salvation. Thank You my Mighty Deliver. In the name of Christ I pray. Amen."
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RE: Deliverance - 1/14/2008 11:28:57 AM
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NOTES ON: The keys to the kingdom/Reverse Binding and Loosing!!!
Number 1- I hear many preachers say you can only BIND the devil and loose good things. Folks this is war.. Here are the scriptures to prove you can bind and loose more than a dogma stuck theologian will tell you who ia stuck in one translation.
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RE: Deliverance - 8/4/2008 8:47:59 PM
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this is exactly what i need to happen in my life
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RE: Deliverance - 8/5/2008 4:25:00 AM
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The Bible teaches that some of those who are possessed by demons (bound by their power in their lives) can only be set free by fasting, e.g.
Fasting for freedom (deliverance) from demon oppression/possession.
Matthew 17:20,21.
20And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. 21Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
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RE: Deliverance - 8/5/2008 7:33:39 AM
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Mt 17:21 is in brackets in my bible.
and its parallel passage does not use the word fast:
Mar 9:29 And He said to them, "This kind cannot come out by anything but prayer."
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RE: Deliverance - 8/6/2008 7:52:19 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: iamjc-s
NOTES ON: The keys to the kingdom/Reverse Binding and Loosing!!!
Number 1- I hear many preachers say you can only BIND the devil and loose good things. Folks this is war.. Here are the scriptures to prove you can bind and loose more than a dogma stuck theologian will tell you who ia stuck in one translation. A very bad understanding of that statement. Binding and loosing has nothing to do with all that. It was Jesus giving his apostles the authority to set the rules for the New Covenant believing community. i.e., it was authority to write the New Testament.
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RE: Deliverance - 8/6/2008 9:54:33 AM
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There was a thread on binding and loosing recently that was very helpful to me as there is/has been erroneous teaching on this topic. I'm not savvy enough to link to it---can someone else do that?
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RE: Deliverance - 8/6/2008 11:15:40 AM
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17 "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new." - II Corinthians 5
If you are in bondage after receiving Christ it is because you choose to be. He died to set us free. It is done. We must choose to live in that freedom. If we choose to continue to sin, by all means, we will remain in bondage...but that is a choice we make.
34 "Jesus answered them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed." - John 8
As for the "prayer and fasting" verse, this is what it actually says (Matthew 17):
17 "Then Jesus answered and said, "O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I bear with you? Bring him here to Me." 18 And Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of him; and the child was cured from that very hour. 19 Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, "Why could we not cast it out?" 20 So Jesus said to them, "Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you. 21 However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting."
Jesus was actually rebuking his apostles because of their doubting and unbelief and making a strong point. The disciples had been hanging out and feasting with the people while He was on the mountain top with Peter, James and John commmuning with God. When Jesus came down, He instantly cast out the demon, but he wanted the disciples to know that they were unable to cast it out because they should have been praying and fasting instead of what they were doing.
Also, please note: There is no indication that the boy who had the demon was saved.
If you are in Christ, you have at this very moment everything you need to live free. As the commercial says, "Just do it!"
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RE: Deliverance - 8/6/2008 10:10:25 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Liveloved
There was a thread on binding and loosing recently that was very helpful to me as there is/has been erroneous teaching on this topic. I'm not savvy enough to link to it---can someone else do that?
here is your link
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RE: Deliverance - 8/6/2008 10:19:04 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: DaveW
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ORIGINAL: iamjc-s
NOTES ON: The keys to the kingdom/Reverse Binding and Loosing!!!
Number 1- I hear many preachers say you can only BIND the devil and loose good things. Folks this is war.. Here are the scriptures to prove you can bind and loose more than a dogma stuck theologian will tell you who ia stuck in one translation. A very bad understanding of that statement. Binding and loosing has nothing to do with all that. It was Jesus giving his apostles the authority to set the rules for the New Covenant believing community. i.e., it was authority to write the New Testament.
I find it interesting that if one does an esword search on "binding satan" in any translation, it will give them 0 hits. and "bind" and "binding" give us nothing on spiritual warfare.
the one and only closey:
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
John McArthur calls it "hocus pocus"
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RE: Deliverance - 8/7/2008 8:00:05 AM
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DaveW
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ORIGINAL: makarizo
I find it interesting that if one does an esword search on "binding satan" in any translation, it will give them 0 hits. and "bind" and "binding" give us nothing on spiritual warfare. That is not exactly true. From an e-sword search:
Mat 12:26 "If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?
Mat 12:27 "If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.
Mat 12:28 "But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Mat 12:29 "Or how can anyone enter the strong man's house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
Mar 3:26 "If Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but he is finished!
Mar 3:27 "But no one can enter the strong man's house and plunder his property unless he first binds the strong man, and then he will plunder his house.
It would seem there is a process of binding the "strong man," which in context seems to be the devil. It is not what is being talked about in the passage giving authority to bind and loose. These 2 passages here are a better biblical basis for binding the devil.
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RE: Deliverance - 8/7/2008 11:19:13 PM
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makarizo
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DaveW:
It would seem there is a process of binding the "strong man," which in context seems to be the devil. It is not what is being talked about in the passage giving authority to bind and loose.
I see that a person is the house that the strong man devil is occupying. I see that Jesus is giving an allegory.... is that what it is???
but where else do we see this phrase?
in Luke 8, can one say that Jesus "bound" legion?
is "cast out" synonymous with binding?
it was something I heard several times every Sunday and Wednesday for the 2 years that I attended an apostolic chuch.... everyone was encouraged to use that phrase.
I don't doubt the validity of it, but question the indoctrination.
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RE: Deliverance - 8/8/2008 7:52:36 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: makarizo
I see that a person is the house that the strong man devil is occupying. I see that Jesus is giving an allegory.... is that what it is??? Yes it is an allegory.quote:
in Luke 8, can one say that Jesus "bound" legion?
is "cast out" synonymous with binding? No. Jesus, being who He is might not need to "bind." We have no record of Jesus verbally binding any demon; but we also have no record that He did not. The allegorical teaching was for us.
No, "casting out" is not the same as binding.
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RE: Deliverance - 8/10/2008 9:06:29 AM
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makarizo
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Jesus, being who He is might not need to "bind." We have no record of Jesus verbally binding any demon; but we also have no record that He did not. The allegorical teaching was for us.
If Jesus casts out demons by the finger of God (I visualize the pinky) ...... said plainly, no room for misunderstanding, then the 'strong man' is only strong to those who do not have access to the finger of God.
that allegory is for me.
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RE: Deliverance - 8/11/2008 11:09:43 AM
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Below is from: NIV Experiencing God Bible (vv.) & {notes}, AMPlified Bible, Reader’s Digest "ILLUSTRATED DICTIONARY OF BIBLE LIFE & TIMES", & my own compression/conclusion.
DELIVERANCE – In the Bible, DELIVERANCE usually means rescue from evil or danger... DELIVERANCE often refers to victory in battle, as when the 2 judges save Israel from their oppressors ( Jdg.3:9,15 ). Reuben plays a part in Joseph’s DELIVERANCE from DEATH, convincing their brothers not to kill him ( Gen.37:21 ). When Esther hesitates to intervene for her people, Mordecai tells her, "For if you keep silence . . . relief & DELIVERANCE will rise for the Jews from another quarter, but you & your father’s family will perish" ( Est.4:14 ).* In the O.T., God is called the DELIVERER of His people. Though He often works through human agents, it’s God Himself who makes DELIVERANCE possible. In the N.T., Jesus is the intermediary "Who gave ( yielded ) Himself up [to ATONE] for our sins [& to save & sanctify us], in order to rescue & DELIVER us from this present wicked ..." [Gal.1:4]. Even His name expresses His role as the 1 sent by God as... DELIVERER: ‘Jesus’ is the Greek form of a Hebrew name that translates "savior".
* { Est.4:12-16 ... Mordecai’s confidence for the Jews DELIVERANCE is based on God’s sovereignty in working out His purposes & fulfilling His promises. Their DELIVERANCE will come, even if through some means other than Esther. Yet that sovereignty is not impersonal: Unless Esther exercises her individual responsibility, she & her kin will die.} *
( Ps.75:4,10 +ref. I will cut off the strength of all the wicked, arrogant, & boastful, but the strength of the people of God who honor God & order their lives in all things according to His will, who in every human relationship faithfully fulfill the obligations that it entails, remembering that power & authority (of all sorts e.g. domestic, social, political, etc.) are used to bless not exploit, will be lifted up. { To have one’s horn / strength lifted up by God is to be DELIVERED from disgrace to a position of honor & strength. ( 1Sam.2:1 -part )} From the LORD comes DELIVERANCE. May your blessing be on your people. ( Ps.3:8 )
{ Ps.3:8 - BN - parts From the LORD comes DELIVERANCE ~ ... a concluding expression of confidence that the prayer to God will be or has been heard & thus becomes a testimony to God’s people.} You are my hiding place; You will protect me from trouble & surround me with songs of DELIVERANCE. Ps.32:7 +BN { songs of DELIVERANCE ~ Because of Your help I will be surrounded by people celebrating Your acts of DELIVERANCE, as I bring my thank offerings to You.}
{ ... praise must follow DELIVERANCE as surely as prayer springs from need – if God is to truly be honored. Such praise ... usually ... involved celebrating God’s saving act in the presence of His people...celebrating God’s holy virtues or...His saving acts or His gracious bestowal of blessings...proclaiming...God’s glorious attributes or His righteous deeds. To this is usually added a call to praise, summoning all who hear to take up the praise & acknowledge & joyfully celebrate God’s glory, His goodness & all His righteous acts. ... Ps. 7:17 & 9:1 } { In Ob.17 DELIVERANCE includes judgment on God’s enemies & blessings on God’s people.}
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