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ORIGINAL: mvic

When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites! They love to stand up and pray in the houses of worship and on the street corners, so that everyone will see them. I assure you, they have already been paid in full. But when you pray, go to your room, close the door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what you do in private, will reward you. Matthew 6: 5-6......

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ORIGINAL: mvic

I did Google the phrase you mention - Yes ... there's plenty to read.

Please don't mis-understand me. I'm not criticising. Just genuinely asking.

Where in the Bible does it say there are demons in Heaven? And spiritual warfare going in there? Who is exactly fighting with whom?

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ORIGINAL: mvic

Hi,

You say: "... nowhere is this text teaching us that we should go into our own prayer space and pray quietly!. I do believe we may if this is how we are led to pray but this text is not teaching that it is hypocritical to pray out loud."

I agree. Nothing wrong with praying quietly or out loud. Or any volume in between.

My comments relate to demons in Heaven and warfare. This is all new to me.

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ORIGINAL: mvic

Hi again,

Sorry to come back on this. Genuinely asking.

I agree there's demons here on earth. I agree there's spiritual warfare on earth. And people can be possessed by demons.

But where does it say, in the Bible, that there's demons in Heaven right now, engaged in spiritual warfare?

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ORIGINAL: Wild-Rose

I just looked it up also using the Bible search. The words "in the heavenlies" refers to the spiritual realm, not heaven. The two examples given was Eph 3:10 and Eph 6:12.

For we are not contending against flesh and blood but against the principalities , against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places (the heavenlies, depending on which version you are reading). Eph 6:12.

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ORIGINAL: Little_1

I believe God can read our minds and we could therefore silently say our prayers in our thoughts to God. However, all through the Bible, it records people speaking prayers out loud (as well as on some occasions speaking them more silently). Therefore, apart from prayer being our method of communication with God, does prayer have any impact in the Heavenlies when spoken out loud? i.e. does prayer bare witness to the spiritual beings, angelic hosts, demons, etc in the Heavenlies and if so how?

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Somewhere that is not Heaven, not hell and not earth.

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Your Kingdom come on earth as it is in Heaven.

and in the book of Job Satan also rose with the angels to accuse and challenge God about Job.

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ORIGINAL: URForgiven

So, I guess someone who is mute is just plain out of luck?

Peace

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Are there demons in Heaven?

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Is prayer a testimony?

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ORIGINAL: Liveloved

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ORIGINAL: Little_1

I believe God can read our minds and we could therefore silently say our prayers in our thoughts to God. However, all through the Bible, it records people speaking prayers out loud (as well as on some occasions speaking them more silently). Therefore, apart from prayer being our method of communication with God, does prayer have any impact in the Heavens when spoken out loud? i.e. does prayer bare witness to the spiritual beings, angelic hosts, demons, etc in the Heavens and if so how?

Yes. In Ephesians 3, the Apostle Paul writes regarding his ministry, "To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ, and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God, Who created all things; in order that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places."

Whenever we speak aloud even the name of Christ, we are proclaiming to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places (see Eph 6:12 that elaborates on spiritual forces of wickedness IN the heavenly places), God's wisdom and rule over all creation. The powers of darkness fear when this sweet chant they hear, May Jesus Christ be praised!

Walking around our homes, our communities, the grocery store or restaurants quietly saying Jesus is Lord or Praise You, Jesus, is heard and has an effect in the spiritual realm. I'm reminding myself to speak His name aloud often!

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ORIGINAL: URForgiven

So, I guess someone who is mute is just plain out of luck?

Peace

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ORIGINAL: mvic

Thanx Little 1 for your response......

......I always thought Heaven, the Heavenlies, or Heavenly Realm, or "my Father's House" were the same thing/place. That is: Heaven. Where God resides and where we will go one day.

You say different - and in doing so you confuse me. Where are the Heavenlies and the Heavenly Realms? Who resides there? Why are there demons there and who are they fighting? I thought demons were banished from Heaven with Lucifer !!!! ????

You've raised so many questions in my mind and I can't find anywhere in the Bible to suggest separate places. Your quote from Paul to the Ephesians is confusing too.

My Good News Bible says: For we are not fighting against human beings but against the wicked spiritual forces in the heavenly world, the rulers, authorities, and cosmic powers of this dark age.

I understand this to mean the devil, Lucifer, who was banished from Heaven and is now roaming free on earth. By "rulers, authorities and cosmic powers"; I understand this to mean the evil that surrounds us every day here in this world. Satan and his followers.

You, however, imply that Paul is talking about a separate place. Somewhere that is not Heaven, not hell and not earth. This is new to me - hence my genuine confusion.

Thanx.

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ORIGINAL: makarizo

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Is prayer a testimony?

I think in Acts 10:4, the angel tells Cornelius that his prayers were a memorial before the Lord.

His prayer was a testimony!