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Judgment vs. Experience - 7/27/2008 8:00:36 PM
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todd_t
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As John McCain publicly beats the topic of his superior level of governmental experience over Barack Obama like a drum, the following occurs to me:
a) Experience only goes so far - especially if one fails to learn from it. For example, both Rumsfeld and Cheney had much experience in military matters in the run-up to the Iraq War, but mismanaged it horribly (e.g. underestimating the number of troops needed, chasing ghosts of WMD stockpiles, etc.)
b) Isn't good judgment every bit as important as experience, if not a bit more so?
Comments please....
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RE: Judgment vs. Experience - 7/27/2008 8:14:37 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Typically the ability to make good judgments would stem from a good amount of experience...
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RE: Judgment vs. Experience - 7/27/2008 8:38:49 PM
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Typically the ability to make good judgments would stem from a good amount of experience...
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Typically the ability to make good judgments would stem from a good amount of experience...
John
John McCain is hardly a typical person. He has continued to advocate for a continued troop presence in Iraq even after smarty-pants Bush decided that it was time to get out.
One demonstrates judgement not just by his/her resume but by his/her actions. While McCain is a great Senator and may provide a baseline competence that generally exceeds Bush's, it's clear that Obama has offered a better plan.
Besides that, on the domestic front, Obama recognizes that we have a serious debt issue and is willing to raise the capital gains tax and revert some of the 2003 tax cuts. This is an excellent first step to getting our fiscal house in order. If we can follow up on that by getting spending cuts (I'll put the odds at better than 50-50 that we will have a Republican house or Senate in 2010), we'll be in even better shape.
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RE: Judgment vs. Experience - 7/27/2008 8:55:18 PM
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Typically the ability to make good judgments would stem from a good amount of experience...
John
Yeah, but experience doing what? What relevant experience does either of these men have that would qualify them to be POTUS? How different is the job description for Arizona Senator from President? In my opinion, the jobs of Vice-President, Secretary of State, Governor of a major state, even CEO of a major corporation have more in common with the President of the U.S. than a congressman - no matter how many years he's been in office. In fact, just as an afterthought, I'll go one further - the first lady, i.e. Hillary Clinton has more relevant experience as POTUS than either of these two guys.
Just because somebody's been running the assembly line at General Motors for 30 years doesn't make him more qualified to be president of GM than a kid with less experience at assembling cars, but more relevant experience as well as knowledge, skills and abilities for the position he's applying for.
When it comes to judgement, and we assess either of these two men, all we have is their voting record. Is this really a reflection of leadership, judgement, and experience? How many of these votes were simply along party lines or were for bills that had only local implications? I think both these guys would have the steep learning curve if elected.
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RE: Judgment vs. Experience - 7/27/2008 8:57:32 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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One demonstrates judgement not just by his/her resume but by his/her actions.
Ok... Obama record of judgments are questionable... choice of church, abortion, homosexual agenda, and general voting record...
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While McCain is a great Senator and may provide a baseline competence that generally exceeds Bush's, it's clear that Obama has offered a better plan.
In your opinion...
John
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RE: Judgment vs. Experience - 7/27/2008 9:07:26 PM
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Barry's judgement
on church association and friendship with felons and racketeers. Getting a questionable loan. Remarks about the lowlife hanging on to guns/reliogion. Getting his wife's hospital a government grant. Against the death penalty for gang-bangers. OK to leave a baby that survived an abortion to die. For partial-birth abortion. Wants to give 1% of the nations GDNP to the UN to help feed the poor. Wants to give the UN the right to disarm the USA.
All lacking. He isn't fit to be president of the SPCA much less the USA.
And McCain isn't that much better.
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RE: Judgment vs. Experience - 7/27/2008 9:48:27 PM
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One demonstrates judgement not just by his/her resume but by his/her actions.
I agree that judgement is equally as important as experience. I find it odd though that you would mention it in this thread. Are you seriously looking for honest opinions in this matter or are you just hate bating once again?
Whenever Conservatives on this board have brought up the "judgements" made by NObama we are criticized as either being biased, haters or racists.
As has been pointed out so many times the judgements made by NObama and the judgements he continues to make are questionable at best. I won't list them all here since all you have to do is review the Elections folder to see discussions on them all.
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RE: Judgment vs. Experience - 7/27/2008 9:50:14 PM
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todd_t
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One demonstrates judgement not just by his/her resume but by his/her actions.
I would argue that one's instincts are important as well.
Take Bush on 9-11, for example: on one hand, him sitting blank-faced in that Florida classroom like a zombie for several minutes after he'd been informed him of the attacks instead of excusing himself, and immediately leaving the room was an incredibly bad move.
Yet Bush's decision that same day to reject his staff's advice to address the nation on America's response to the attacks from a secure bunker, and instead give that address from the White House was a very good move.
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RE: Judgment vs. Experience - 7/27/2008 10:08:53 PM
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colliefan
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Take Bush on 9-11, for example: on one hand, him sitting blank-faced in that Florida classroom like a zombie for several minutes after he'd been informed him of the attacks
all of us sat like zombies when we heard/saw the news. you are speaking of "Fatso" Moore's hit-piece.
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RE: Judgment vs. Experience - 7/27/2008 10:37:29 PM
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todd_t
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all of us sat like zombies when we heard/saw the news
"All of us" did not have the responsibility of being Commander In Chief that day. That was Bush's job, not the people's. And by sitting in that classroom dumbfounded for several minutes, he did no one (least of all the people) any favors, nor did he show any leadership - that is, until later in the day when Bush made that White House address which I commended him for.
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you are speaking of "Fatso" Moore's hit-piece
Are you talking about "Fahrenheit 911"?
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RE: Judgment vs. Experience - 7/27/2008 11:01:51 PM
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colliefan
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"All of us" did not have the responsibility of being Commander In Chief that day. That was Bush's job, not the people's. And by sitting in that classroom dumbfounded for several minutes, he did no one (least of all the people) any favors, nor did he show any leadership
So, you don't give him credit for being human? How much time do you think it took FDR to respond to Pearl Harbor? And yes, I am refering to "Fatso's" movie
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RE: Judgment vs. Experience - 7/28/2008 10:55:42 AM
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"All of us" did not have the responsibility of being Commander In Chief that day. That was Bush's job, not the people's. And by sitting in that classroom dumbfounded for several minutes, he did no one (least of all the people) any favors, nor did he show any leadership
First off I wouldn't say that Bush sat there dumbfounded, but rather more of a state of shock and disbelief. I dare you to make the same assertion to the families who watched the loved ones perish before their very eyes.
Second; please explain how taking a few minutes to let the reality of it all sink in hurt anyone.
I'm sure if Bush hadn't shown any emotion at all and just left the room he would have been criticized for being heartless.
But I guess you are just showing your true liberal side, when you can't defend NObama attack McCain, if you can't attack McCain then there is always Bush.
By the way, I hope NObama and the Dems continue to compare NObama to Bush and attach Bush and his policies, this will just help guarantee a victory for McCain since Bush isn't running for office. 
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RE: Judgment vs. Experience - 7/28/2008 12:34:50 PM
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All lacking. He isn't fit to be president of the SPCA much less the USA.
That about sums it all up. Even the SPCA may be a stretch, as the job isn't accomplished by useless platitudes and community organizing.
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RE: Judgment vs. Experience - 7/28/2008 3:01:04 PM
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Even if we consider 'judgment vs experience' as a mutually exclusive criteria - what do we actually know about Obama's judgments?
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