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Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 5:53:25 PM
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Jhud
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Carving Obama's Initials in the Face of McCain Supporter
A woman robbed at knifepoint at a Pittsburgh ATM told police her attacker knocked her down and carved a "B" in her face after noticing a John McCain sticker on her car.
Police say the victim refused medical attention for the wound. An officer saw the injury, but a police report does not describe its size or severity.
Authorities say the woman is from Texas, but aren't identifying her.
Pittsburgh police spokeswoman Diane Richards says the woman was withdrawing money at 9 p.m. Wednesday when a man approached her from behind, put a knife to her neck and demanded money. She says she gave him $60.
The woman told police the robber then noticed the bumper sticker, punched her in the back of the head, knocked her down and carved a "B" on her face.
I wonder how deep the hatred of Obama supporters really goes?
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 5:59:57 PM
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I think you're kind of generalizing Obama supporters. I support Obama, and would NEVER ever do something like that to anybody!
It's another story of some crazed person trying to make some kind of twisted point.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 6:39:47 PM
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Jhud
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I think you're kind of generalizing Obama supporters. I support Obama, and would NEVER ever do something like that to anybody!
It's another story of some crazed person trying to make some kind of twisted point.
I don't think they all do of course; but when is the last time you heard about anyone doing this because of a particular candidate? I never have, and I think that says something about the nature of Obama's campaign.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 6:55:33 PM
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Good lord.
And they say the REPUBLICANS are creating a lynch mob mentality...
Poor woman.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 6:59:34 PM
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I never have, and I think that says something about the nature of Obama's campaign.
Jack, this is beyond the pale regarding guilt-by-association ploys.
It's sick and cheap.
Just because some nutbag attacked this poor girl in this manner, and then ascribing it to "the nature of Obama's campaign," is something I'd expect from a WorldNutDaily columnist.
I thought you were more rational and adult than this.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 7:08:59 PM
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Jack, this is beyond the pale regarding guilt-by-association ploys.
It's sick and cheap.
Just because some nutbag attacked this poor girl in this manner, and then ascribing it to "the nature of Obama's campaign," is something I'd expect from a WorldNutDaily columnist.
I thought you were more rational and adult than this.
You know todd, Obama has courted the far nutty left regularly in this campaign. He has stood by while the rhetoric got worse and worse, and he let's the Daily Kos's and the Farrakan's and the MoveOn nutters spill their bile, because it helps him. Well now people are getting hurt, and I just wonder when he is going to man up and stop the mindless worship?
After he is elected I suppose.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 7:29:48 PM
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Man up? Nothing about your statement is even vaguely rooted in nobility or bravery.
This act had nothing to do with politics. It was an act of senseless violence.
Obama is no more responsible for the conduct of strangers who claim to do anything in his name (which is really a cop out) than McCain or Palin are.
And those that do so are likely as reasonable as Mark Chapman when he claimed Salinger was his motivation for killing John Lennon, or John Hinckley citing Scorsese for taking a shot at Reagan in 1981.
Your entire claim is marked by childish, ultra-partisan, bizarre, tailing-wagging-the-dog-style reasoning.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 7:33:19 PM
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Man up? Nothing about your statement is even vaguely rooted in nobility or bravery.
This act had nothing to do with politics. It was an act of senseless violence.
Obama is no more responsible for the conduct of strangers who claim to do anything in his name (which is really a cop out) than McCain or Palin are.
And those that do so are likely as reasonable as Mark Chapman when he claimed Salinger was his motivation for killing John Lennon, or John Hinckley citing Scorsese for taking a shot at Reagan in 1981.
Your entire claim is marked by childish, ultra-partisan, bizarre, tailing-wagging-the-dog-style reasoning.
Well, that would seem to be the basic response of the Obama campaign and his supporters -
"Not responsible for anyone who gets harmed in Barak's pursuit of office".
It becomes an incredibly dangerous place when we don't hold our leaders responsible for anything they do.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 7:37:44 PM
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It becomes an incredibly dangerous place when we don't hold our leaders responsible for anything they do.
So elected leaders are responsible for criminal activity committed by strangers? I thought that thugs and criminals were responsible for their own behavior.
If Obama (or anyone else) made a statement like "Go attack people with McCain car stickers" that would legitimately define someone inciting violence.
Do you have any credible evidence that Obama ever said such a thing?
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 7:46:03 PM
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Man up? Nothing about your statement is even vaguely rooted in nobility or bravery.
This act had nothing to do with politics. It was an act of senseless violence.
Obama is no more responsible for the conduct of strangers who claim to do anything in his name (which is really a cop out) than McCain or Palin are.
And those that do so are likely as reasonable as Mark Chapman when he claimed Salinger was his motivation for killing John Lennon, or John Hinckley citing Scorsese for taking a shot at Reagan in 1981.
Your entire claim is marked by childish, ultra-partisan, bizarre, tailing-wagging-the-dog-style reasoning.
I agree with everything you said. I guess he and some of the others here who refuse to see some of those people who are obviously overly obsessed with their candidate, the crimes done against Obama supporters...
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So elected leaders are responsible for criminal activity committed by strangers? I thought that thugs and criminals were responsible for their own behavior.
True, but let's not also forget because of the false and mean statements that have been thrown out by McCain, Palin, and some other GOP officals within the GOP party who said and done things that have led people to say the things that they said before and during their rallies.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 7:58:53 PM
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I guess the perp took Obama's suggestion to "get in their face" seriously.
You can't have it both ways. You were on here yelling that the Republicans and McCain had to take responsibility for some random person yelling something about "kill Obama" (despite the fact that the Secret Service says it basically did not happen), but you throw a fit when people point out that Obama supporters are doing horrible things (and rather more violent, at that). Either stop fussing at the McCain campaign for what you claim is creation of a "lynch mob" mentality, or expect and insist on the same sort of responsibility-taking on the part of your candidate that you're insisting should be happening on the part of the Republican candidate.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 8:10:36 PM
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I guess the perp took Obama's suggestion to "get in their face" seriously.
You can't have it both ways. You were on here yelling that the Republicans and McCain had to take responsibility for some random person yelling something about "kill Obama" (despite the fact that the Secret Service says it basically did not happen)...
I'm not trying to have it both ways. McCain and Palin, and some of the other GOP's are responsible for the words that were said like "kill him", "terrorist", "muslim", ect. because of what McCain and company were saying, "who is Barack Obama", "he's not like you and me", "he's palling around with terriorist" along with the offensive pictures that were on some GOP funded sites and newsletters. Had the McCain and company not said or done those things, and some of the people at those rallies still said the things they said, then I would say, no McCain and company shouldn't be held responsible for it; that's the difference.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 8:11:51 PM
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And Obama said to "get in their face". Your point being?
And as previously noted, the Secret Service said that nobody said that.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 8:12:01 PM
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If "Person A" (an Obama/McCain supporter) assaults "Person B" (an Obama/McCain supporter) the politics of either party are irrelevant.
What matters is the crime at hand.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 8:13:39 PM
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This is a sad story and I pray that this lady is well.
Here's my problem with this story. How do you know that this person was an Obama supporter? For one, the b could have stood for the b word (female dog). Also, she was knocked down, so I'm assuming that this was a walk up atm. That being said, her car had to be parked away from her so how would he "notice" her McCain-Palin sticker? I would think that this attack had to happen at night when it was dark and it would be kind of hard to read a bumper sticker. Lastly, the attacker never voiced his support for Obama. If he was one of the crazy supporters who drinks the "kool aid" you would have at least thought he would have said screamed and voiced his support for his "Messiah." All it said was that he noticed a sticker. How do we know if he even saw a sticker? Again, I'm not exactly buying that the B stands for Barack Obama.
This is a sad story and I think this woman was attacked by a crazy person. I will keep her in my prayers.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 8:14:02 PM
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If "Person A" (an Obama/McCain supporter) assaults "Person B" (an Obama/McCain supporter) the politics of either party are irrelevant.
Even when they explicitly say it was politically motivated?
Why is yelling something politically motivated any more relevant then?
I find it interesting that you appear to be indicating that you can assault people in the name of your candidate without it being considered politically motivated, but not yell at people in the name of your candidate.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 8:22:47 PM
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I find it interesting that you appear to be indicating that you can assault people in the name of your candidate without it being considered politically motivated, but not yell at people in the name of your candidate.
I never said this. There's a difference between battery, and yelling at a person.
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Here's my problem with this story. How do you know that this person was an Obama supporter? For one, the b could have stood for the b word (female dog). Also, she was knocked down, so I'm assuming that this was a walk up atm. That being said, her car had to be parked away from her so how would he "notice" her McCain-Palin sticker? I would think that this attack had to happen at night when it was dark and it would be kind of hard to read a bumper sticker. Lastly, the attacker never voiced his support for Obama. If he was one of the crazy supporters who drinks the "kool aid" you would have at least thought he would have said screamed and voiced his support for his "Messiah." All it said was that he noticed a sticker. How do we know if he even saw a sticker? Again, I'm not exactly buying that the B stands for Barack Obama.
All excellent points.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 8:27:14 PM
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I looked at the picture. Why does the "b" looked like it was carved backwords? It looks as if someone carved it while looking in a mirror. Is that just how the picture was taken? Also, she was attacked and brutally beaten why did she refuse medical treatment? I hope that somebody forced her to go to the hospital.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 8:31:57 PM
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Backwards or upside-down?
She told officers she would take herself to the hospital (there's a lot more information in the video, including pictures of the bank showing that you park basically next to it along the street).
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 8:32:04 PM
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And Obama said to "get in their face". Your point being?
And as previously noted, the Secret Service said that nobody said that.
True, it was a metaphor, but it was a porr choice at that, however I still stand by what I said. There are videos of the hateful things that were said and done at the rallies that are available on the web for you to see for yourself at those. I can pm those to you if you like but back to the thread.
There have been other crimes done to Obama supporters, so are all of the McCain/Palin supporters nuts as well?
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 8:36:46 PM
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Here's my problem with this story. How do you know that this person was an Obama supporter? For one, the b could have stood for the b word (female dog). Also, she was knocked down, so I'm assuming that this was a walk up atm. That being said, her car had to be parked away from her so how would he "notice" her McCain-Palin sticker? I would think that this attack had to happen at night when it was dark and it would be kind of hard to read a bumper sticker. Lastly, the attacker never voiced his support for Obama. If he was one of the crazy supporters who drinks the "kool aid" you would have at least thought he would have said screamed and voiced his support for his "Messiah." All it said was that he noticed a sticker. How do we know if he even saw a sticker? Again, I'm not exactly buying that the B stands for Barack Obama.
Good point.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 8:37:48 PM
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Not all, no, on other side (one would hope they are a very small minority) but I DO expect McCain and Palin to point out that it's wrong just as much as I expect Obama to point out that such activity is wrong. And they have.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 8:47:46 PM
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And Obama said to "get in their face". Your point being?
And as previously noted, the Secret Service said that nobody said that.
True, it was a metaphor, but it was a porr choice at that, however I still stand by what I said. There are videos of the hateful things that were said and done at the rallies that are available on the web for you to see for yourself at those. I can pm those to you if you like but back to the thread.
There have been other crimes done to Obama supporters, so are all of the McCain/Palin supporters nuts as well?
Poor Obama and his supporteres. We all must give them special consideration and understanding. They are just being mis-understood. Their threats and claims do not mean what they clearly mean. We can not hold Oboma or any of his supporters responsible for what they do or say. However, we MUST hold McCain and Palin responsible for everything every one of their suppporters say and do even when a number of witnesses on the scene say no such thing happened.
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