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RE: McCain Embraces Obama's Timetable - 7/28/2008 11:32:15 AM
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sylvan
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Yeah, McCain isn't looking very sharp on foreign or domestic policy.
McCain also said he would follow Bin Laden to "the gates of hell", yet it is Barrack wanting to focus U.S. efforts on al-Qaida and the Taliban in Afghanistan.
McCain has said, "I know how to win wars" - but, it's starting to appear that he doesn't know how to win a game of tic-tac-toe.
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RE: McCain Embraces Obama's Timetable - 7/28/2008 12:17:53 PM
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Well I don't know how anyone can agree with NObama's stance on Iraq since it appears even he doesn't know what it is. Let's look at his various positions on Iraq shall we:
1.When he was running for US Senator Obama said he “was open to additional troops to stabilize the situation in Iraq and he was opposed to a deadline for withdrawal or cutting off funds for troops in the field.”
According to a 2004 AP article;
"America cannot afford to withdraw immediately, said Obama, an early opponent of invading Iraq.
That would create more chaos in Iraq and make it "an extraordinary hotbed of terrorist activity," he said at a meeting of the Illinois News Broadcasters Association. It would also damage America's international prestige and amount to "a slap in the face" to the troops fighting there, he said."
2.In January of last year Obama stated he “opposed" the surge and later in the year voted to cut off funding for troops
3.During the primaries Obama promised to start an immediate withdrawal of troops, sending home 1 - 2 brigades a month with a complete withdrawal in 16 months.
3.Now he no longer uses the 16 month timetable and has added the stipulation that everyone else has been using all along, that it is dependent on the condition on the ground.
It appears that NObama changes his stance based on whichever way the tide of public opinion is flowing. Once again supporting any view for political expediency.
As to the additional troops in Afghanistan, if you had paid close attention you would know that McCain has always supported this view.
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RE: McCain Embraces Obama's Timetable - 7/28/2008 2:58:51 PM
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Jhud
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Yeah, as usual this is deceptive liberal spin. The exchange went thusly:
BLITZER: What if Maliki persists? You're president and he says he wants U.S. troops out and he wants them out, let's say in a year or two years or 16 months or whatever. What do you do? Do you listen to the prime minister?
MCCAIN: He won't. He won't. He won't. Because it has to be condition-based.
BLITZER: How do you know?
MCCAIN: Because I know him. And I know him very well. And I know the other leaders. And I know - and I've been there eight times, as you know. I know them very, very well.
BLITZER: So why do you think he said that 16 months is basically a pretty good timetable?
MCCAIN: He said it's a pretty good timetable based on conditions on the ground. I think it's a pretty good timetable, as we should (have our) horizons for withdrawal. But they have to be based on conditions on the ground.
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RE: McCain Embraces Obama's Timetable - 7/28/2008 3:07:29 PM
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inthysite
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Jhud
Yeah, as usual this is deceptive liberal spin. The exchange went thusly:
BLITZER: What if Maliki persists? You're president and he says he wants U.S. troops out and he wants them out, let's say in a year or two years or 16 months or whatever. What do you do? Do you listen to the prime minister?
MCCAIN: He won't. He won't. He won't. Because it has to be condition-based.
BLITZER: How do you know?
MCCAIN: Because I know him. And I know him very well. And I know the other leaders. And I know - and I've been there eight times, as you know. I know them very, very well.
BLITZER: So why do you think he said that 16 months is basically a pretty good timetable?
MCCAIN: He said it's a pretty good timetable based on conditions on the ground. I think it's a pretty good timetable, as we should (have our) horizons for withdrawal. But they have to be based on conditions on the ground.
I find it interesting (not really) that the link provided and quoted by the OP only gives a partial quote from McCain in order to appear that McCain has switched his position in favor of NObama's.
The link is to the Chicago Tribune. No bias there, yeah right!
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RE: McCain Embraces Obama's Timetable - 7/28/2008 4:31:52 PM
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Evangel70
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quote:
BLITZER: What if Maliki persists? You're president and he says he wants U.S. troops out and he wants them out, let's say in a year or two years or 16 months or whatever. What do you do? Do you listen to the prime minister?
MCCAIN: He won't. He won't. He won't. Because it has to be condition-based.
BLITZER: How do you know?
MCCAIN: Because I know him. And I know him very well. And I know the other leaders. And I know - and I've been there eight times, as you know. I know them very, very well.
BLITZER: So why do you think he said that 16 months is basically a pretty good timetable?
MCCAIN: He said it's a pretty good timetable based on conditions on the ground. I think it's a pretty good timetable, as we should (have our) horizons for withdrawal. But they have to be based on conditions on the ground.
I find it interesting that McCain plainly says he won't listen to Malaki's request for withdrawal if it doesn't match up with his. Isn't Iraq supposed to be a soverign nation and not an American colony? Suppose Malaki wants U.S. troops out in 12 months because he believes the Iraqi army is ready to take the place of American troops. Should McCain refuse Malaki's request because McCain knows what's best for the Iraqis?
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RE: McCain Embraces Obama's Timetable - 7/28/2008 4:38:17 PM
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Jhud
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I find it interesting that McCain plainly says he won't listen to Malaki's request for withdrawal if it doesn't match up with his. Isn't Iraq supposed to be a soverign nation and not an American colony? Suppose Malaki wants U.S. troops out in 12 months because he believes the Iraqi army is ready to take the place of American troops. Should McCain refuse Malaki's request because McCain knows what's best for the Iraqis?
McCain should continue to consider conditions on the ground because thousands of Ameircan troops have died to ensure that Malaki has the right to say what he wishes. We will go when the job is done (whatever Obama says to the contrary).
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RE: McCain Embraces Obama's Timetable - 7/28/2008 4:50:09 PM
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todd_t
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We will go when the job is done
And when will we know when that is? Ultimately, the folly of this kind of reasoning is that it is impossible to tell the future of Iraq.
Plus, any pullout of troops would take well over a year.
So what happens if there is a flare-up in violence when we're six months' out? Cancel the whole pull-out, and go back to Square One?
Sooner or later, Iraq has to be left to govern itself w/o looking to the US to hold its hand - which is the way they want it anyhow.
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RE: McCain Embraces Obama's Timetable - 7/28/2008 4:50:38 PM
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I find it interesting that McCain plainly says he won't listen to Malaki's request for withdrawal if it doesn't match up with his. Isn't Iraq supposed to be a soverign nation and not an American colony? Suppose Malaki wants U.S. troops out in 12 months because he believes the Iraqi army is ready to take the place of American troops. Should McCain refuse Malaki's request because McCain knows what's best for the Iraqis?
Show me where it says that McCain won't listen to Malaki.
The reporter asked what would McCain do if Malaki asked us to leave. McCain didn't say he wouldn't listen to him, rather McCain said that based on his visits with Malaki, based on his experience with him, he knows Malaki wouldn't make that request.
Yet another example of a liberal twisting the words of McCain to fit their preconceived notions and try to make McCain look bad.
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RE: McCain Embraces Obama's Timetable - 7/28/2008 4:54:23 PM
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Jhud
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And when will we know when that is? Ultimately, the folly of this kind of reasoning is that it is impossible to tell the future of Iraq.
Plus, any pullout of troops would take well over a year.
So what happens if there is a flare-up in violence when we're six months' out? Cancel the whole pull-out, and go back to Square One?
Sooner or later, Iraq has to be left to govern itself w/o looking to the US to hold its hand - which is the way they want it anyhow.
Actually, I think that is an excellent question - what if there is a flare up? Will President Obama simply say, 'Not our problem'?
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RE: McCain Embraces Obama's Timetable - 7/28/2008 4:59:31 PM
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todd_t
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Actually, I think that is an excellent question - what if there is a flare up?
Unless the flare up is extremely serious, what choice would the next president have but to continue the pull-out? Otherwise, if a removal of US troops is halted due to any Iraqi political hiccups or outbreak in violence we'll never leave.
Sometime that cord has to be cut.
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RE: McCain Embraces Obama's Timetable - 7/28/2008 5:05:51 PM
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Jhud
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Unless the flare up is extremely serious, what choice would the next president have but to continue the pull-out? Otherwise, if a removal of US troops is halted due to any Iraqi political hiccups or outbreak in violence we'll never leave.
Sometime that cord has to be cut.
And had Obama has his way, that would have been long before the surge.
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RE: McCain Embraces Obama's Timetable - 7/28/2008 5:16:51 PM
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IMHO, there is very little practical difference (between McLobby and Obummer) going forward. The events on the ground will dictate how the war will be carried out. As long as it seems to be working, nobody will mess with it. The winner will take credit for the improvement and blame you-know-who if the situation deteriorates in 2009.
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