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Millennial sacrifices - 9/20/2008 1:41:23 AM
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mikeman2
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I was just curious if anyone knew why it was that people in millennial times will be sacrificing animals once again after Christ comes back the second time?
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RE: Millennial sacrifices - 9/20/2008 6:48:09 PM
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If the point is to reunite Jews with Jesus and to bring them into the fold as Sheep at the end of the Millennium -
and whereas Jesus never abolished any of the OT Laws -
and whereas He will rule with an iron scepter -
Why not make Israel live as she was supposed to but this time in God's perfect peace?
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RE: Millennial sacrifices - 9/20/2008 7:03:09 PM
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Scriptural references:
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reunite the Jews
HOS 6:2 After two days he will revive us;
on the third day he will restore us,
that we may live in his presence.
ZEC 12:10 "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.
RO 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved...
Notice that Romans 11:25 aligns nicely with Hosea 6:2.
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...into the fold as Sheep at the end of the Millennium...
There are four times the Bible mentions two resurrections.
- The first resurrection is only for the Living (capitalized to reflect the spiritual nature of these people; the first resurrection is of the 'Dead in Christ,' plus the Rapture and others...)
- The second resurrection happens after the thousand years and includes the Living and the Dead.
Dan 12:1 vs. 12:2; Mt 24:31 vs. 25:32-33; John 5:24-5 vs. 5:28-9; and Rev 7:9 & 20:4 vs 20:11-15
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and whereas Jesus never abolished any of the OT Laws
MT 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
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and whereas He will rule with an iron scepter
Ps 2:9; Rev 2:27; Rev 12:5; Rev 19:15
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Why not make Israel live as she was supposed to but this time in God's perfect peace?
ISA 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David's throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the LORD Almighty
will accomplish this.
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RE: Millennial sacrifices - 9/22/2008 8:55:11 AM
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mikeman2
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If the point is to reunite Jews with Jesus and to bring them into the fold as Sheep at the end of the Millennium -
and whereas Jesus never abolished any of the OT Laws -
and whereas He will rule with an iron scepter -
Why not make Israel live as she was supposed to but this time in God's perfect peace?
I guess the question is that, is the sacrifice on the cross what these people are justified by or is it their animal sacrifices? If it is the cross through which they are justified, then these animal sacrifices are simply ceremonial? However, if these people are not justified via the cross then why not?
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Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on.
-Winston Churchill.
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RE: Millennial sacrifices - 9/22/2008 9:47:02 AM
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is the sacrifice on the cross what these people are justified by or is it their animal sacrifices?
I think we have to look outside of the box.
Our "box" is the New Testament. This new covenant Jesus made with all of us defines the Church Age.
Certainly during this time, the only way to the Father is through Jesus and His sacrifice of Himself upon the cross. There is no justification through the Law. The Law does not bring Life.
Now at the end of this age, the Church Age; the fullness of the Gentiles will come in. We will be gathered up. Of this I have no doubt. This fulfills not only specific prophecy in the Gospel, the Epistles and Revelation, but it relates to Isaiah 49:6 and other OT prophecy as well that God will consecrate those He has invited (to the wedding feast of the Lamb).
The salient fact during this present Age is faith. We must come to Christ through faith. The greatest challenge the unbeliever has is having faith in what he cannot see. Thus we are like Abraham whose belief in God's promise to him was counted as righteousness (Gen 15:6).
Now let's throw away every rule we know now.
What happens when Jesus is a present reality in the world?
What happens when all the nations with their Roman style, hierarchal, pyramid governments are dissolved?
Twice a year all the nations will come to Jerusalem, Ezekiel foretells, to the presence of the Lord.
Will there be any need for faith when Jesus can be proved, indeed, known?
During the Church Age we have but one life to get it right (Heb 9:27).
During the Millennium certain people will get a second chance (Eze 44:10-16).
God changes the rules.
The Millennium is not a time of faith, but obedience.
Jesus rules with an iron scepter. That is in prophecy.
When faith is removed as a prerequisite; all that remains is obedience.
However, people in the Millennium will have a heart-changing experience.
This is what it means to look upon the one they had pierced and to weep (Zec 12:10).
I think, and I may be wrong, but I think that while faith is removed, the people will still come to Jesus in order to be saved. They will have a new heart attitude, and their obedience is made easier through a time of universal peace (until the end of the Millennial), but they will still come to the Father through Jesus.
Thus, I think the sacrificial system which Ezekiel spells out in literal detail is not the method by which the Jews (of which some lived before) are justified, but that they worship through the sacrificial system.
What Zechariah spells out is a heart-changing attitude. This same heartfelt worship defines the spiritual Israel which is the Church. Therefore, I think the people in the Millennium will come to trust Jesus as their Savior. I think they are the Sheep in the second Resurrection which happens after the Millennium.
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RE: Millennial sacrifices - 9/27/2008 1:18:56 AM
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Shabbat shalom, mikeman2.
You asked,...
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I was just curious if anyone knew why it was that people in millennial times will be sacrificing animals once again after Christ comes back the second time?
Sure, the answer is simple: There's more than one kind of sacrifice. Burnt offerings and sin offerings were fulfilled by Yeshua` haMashiach (Jesus the Messiah or the Christ) when He gave His body on the Roman execution stake; however, there are other sacrifices that were offered as well. There was a thanksgiving sacrifice (todah), a guilt offering (asham), peace offerings (zebach sh'lamim), as well as food and drink offerings (minchah v'nesekh) that provided sustenance to the priests and Levi'im (Levites). Furthermore, there is one burnt offering that is provided at the dedication of the new Temple that the Messiah will construct: the Parah Adumah or the Red Heifer offering.
You can read about these offerings at the Jewish site, http://www.jewfaq.org/qorbanot.htm.
Hope that helped.
Retrobyter
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