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Obama On O'Reilly - 9/4/2008 4:50:12 PM
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inthysite
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NObama is scheduled to appear on Bill O'Reilly's show tonight at 8:00pm EST.
I have a few initial thoughts on this.
1-It is a shrewd ploy on NObama's side to get himself into the Conservative media during McCain's big night and I really can't blame him for that.
2-He shows he isn't much of a gentleman for the following reason. McCain could have announced his VP pick on the night of NObama's big speech but he said that NObama deserved his night as he would hope the Democrats would allow him to have his. Apparently NObama feels McCain isn't worthy of the same respect that McCain has shown him.
3-Bill O'Reilly just lost some credibility with Conservatives allowing himself to knowingly be used by the NObama campaign and allowing NObama to interject himself on McCain's night and try to steal some of his thunder.
NOTE TO MODS: I accidentally entered this in the wrong folder, could someone please move this to the Elections folder.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/4/2008 4:57:51 PM
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Mmm. How about 4. Obama doesn't want to look scared of O'Reilly but has picked a night that most conservatives are watching something else so that if O'Reilly rips him a new one, most conservatives don't see it. (The liberals watching will just decide O'Reilly is "mean", as usual).
Frankly, kinda brilliant.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/4/2008 5:33:01 PM
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The problem with thinking most conservatives will be watching McCain is re runs.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/4/2008 6:18:30 PM
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Here's hoping O'Reilly asks the tough questions, and demands straight answers.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/4/2008 6:25:48 PM
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The problem with thinking most conservatives will be watching McCain is re runs.
Perhaps, but it does give a little time for spin-doctoring the results.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/4/2008 7:28:14 PM
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Whatever happened to the gentleman's agreement to stay out of the way during the opposition's convention?
Obama's not the only guilty party here, if you remember McCain went on Leno on Night One of the DNC...
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/4/2008 7:34:01 PM
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could this be more of a scheduling thing?
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/4/2008 8:12:07 PM
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could this be more of a scheduling thing?
O'Reilly said that the NObama camp was clear on when they wanted it and why. O'Reilly said he jumped at the chance because he believe if he passed he wouldn't get another chance.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/4/2008 8:25:58 PM
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O'Reilly just said they are going to air the interview next Tuesday :)
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/4/2008 8:28:50 PM
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or maybe not I'm confused lol, thats what i get for trying to do 4 things at once
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/4/2008 8:41:54 PM
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He is doing the first segment tonight and then 3 (or 4) segments next week.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/4/2008 9:00:30 PM
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One thing I took away from this interview, the one thing that kept coming to mind was all the criticism McCain takes for being a war monger.
All the liberals make it sound like as soon as NObama is President we will bring all our troops home. Nothing could be further from the truth. NObama wants to withdraw from Iraq, true, but he also want to increase troops in Afghanistan, leave some troops behind in case things flare up in Iraq again, possibly go into Pakistan, and who knows what if Iran goes nuclear.
So to everyone who calls McCain a warmonger I think you need to be fair here and apply the same standards to NObama. The only difference is that McCain doesn't want to withdraw from Iraq before everything is complete.
Also NObama has softened tremendously on his stance about bringing the troups home in 16 months.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/4/2008 9:10:27 PM
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He is doing the first segment tonight and then 3 (or 4) segments next week.
Thank you, I just heard Tuesday night and then the next thing I know I saw some of the interview.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/4/2008 9:16:10 PM
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He is doing the first segment tonight and then 3 (or 4) segments next week.
He did one segment tonight but the first half of the show was devoted to McCain & Palin.
The interview will continue Mon., Tues., Wed. next week.
Whatever Obama's intent he isn't going to steal any McCain thunder. If anything it'll get more people to tune into Fox News and stay for McCain's speech. I think the NFL opener will steal more of McCain's thunder but its not the NFL's fault, they always start the Thursday after Labor Day and pushed kickoff back more than an hour (not to mention nixing the beginning of the season celebration, at least on TV) so they're trying to accomodate McCain.
I somewhat suspect that Obama didn't mind coming on The Factor but was afraid of how the far left would react. I think the timing was Obama's attempt to placate the far left that don't want any Democrats on Fox News. They'll accept it more if the Obama camp can claim that they are doing this to distract everyone from McCain's big night.
Maybe they would have been well served to do it last night. Sarah Palin was excellent.
And McCain, intentional or not, stole most of Obama's thunder from his stadium speech with his selection of Palin as VP.
Politics is rough and everyone has their agenda. O Reilly wants viewers, McCain & Obama want votes.
As far as performance during the interview itself both look good so far although Obama is definitely not as eloquent in an interview format. O Reilly has definitely been aggressive thus far but Obama's been right with him. Neither has descended into the anger & cheap shot realm.
BTW: Chris Wallace also did a good interview with Obama a few months back so Obama is not a Fox News virgin.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/4/2008 11:54:24 PM
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All the liberals make it sound like as soon as NObama is President we will bring all our troops home. Nothing could be further from the truth. NObama wants to withdraw from Iraq, true, but he also want to increase troops in Afghanistan, leave some troops behind in case things flare up in Iraq again, possibly go into Pakistan, and who knows what if Iran goes nuclear.
All those things are justified. Whereas staying in Iraq is not. Obama wants to increase troops in Afghanistan because of the Taliban's rising control over many parts of Afghanistan and their obvious goal of securing Kabul. He wants to go into Pakistan because they are providing asylum to Osama Bin Laden and other key Al-Qaeda members. As for Iraq, I think Biden will take the reins on that one and execute his acclaimed Iraq plan. So when it comes to Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq, Obama will be doing the right thing. McCain will not. He was no Iraq plan. His only plan is to stay. He doesn't want to do anything about the Taliban's rising control over Afghanistan. And he doesn't want to do anything about capturing Osama Bin Laden and holding him accountable for 9/11. So I don't think it's that McCain viewed as being tougher on war. He's stupider on war.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/5/2008 12:07:12 AM
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I've lost a lot of respect for Obama because of his selfishness in trying to steal the thunder of McCain. That's just wrong, given how respectful McCain was to him.
Why are you calling him NObama? ...Isn't that uncivil? Come on now guys! Be respectful like McCain.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/5/2008 2:45:28 AM
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Does this mean Obama is starting to worry about losing? I think it was after Hillary was toast she made her appearance on O'Reilly as a last gasp effort to rebound. I don't believe Obama is at that point yet, but he may be headed there.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/5/2008 3:29:14 AM
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One thing I took away from this interview, the one thing that kept coming to mind was all the criticism McCain takes for being a war monger.
All the liberals make it sound like as soon as NObama is President we will bring all our troops home. Nothing could be further from the truth. NObama wants to withdraw from Iraq, true, but he also want to increase troops in Afghanistan, leave some troops behind in case things flare up in Iraq again, possibly go into Pakistan, and who knows what if Iran goes nuclear.
So to everyone who calls McCain a warmonger I think you need to be fair here and apply the same standards to NObama. The only difference is that McCain doesn't want to withdraw from Iraq before everything is complete.
Also NObama has softened tremendously on his stance about bringing the troups home in 16 months.
As to what "all liberals want to do", well, I'd consider myself a liberal, and I have a decent number of friends who self-identify as liberal... and no, we don't think Obama would withdraw immediately. See, we read up on what Obama says, we occasionally check out his website about what his proposed strategy is etc, etc. No, speaking for at least some liberals, we don't believe Obama's going to have all the troops out the moment he's president. The liberals in your head may disagree with me, may disagree with Obama and disagree with reality, but they aren't "all liberals", they are imaginary liberals that have no bearing on anything in reality.
This does not make Obama a "warmonger". I'm not sure you understand the application of the term if you think it's warranted in this case. McCain called for a strike against Iraq extremely early. McCain was the favorite of the Bill Kristol crowd in the 2000 election because his aggressive and militaristic attitude towards foreign policy already matched theirs (Bush did not come around to Neoconservative ideology until after 9/11, and he has recently become less inclined towards it. McCain has never wavered in that respect. He has always been, roughly, a guns first guy). He has also enjoyed the ability to throw out overheated rhetoric about foreign policy without actually having any consequences--he's a senator, not exactly relevant to a lot of stuff, foreign-policy-wise--but he has not dialed back his rhetoric since becoming appreciably closer to having enormous influence on foreign policy (see: his rhetoric on Russia and Georgia). This should bother anyone with a weariness of unnecessary conflict and tension.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/5/2008 3:41:09 AM
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So I don't think it's that McCain viewed as being tougher on war.
I don't think the modern world and the way conflict arises and is pursued is conducive to a strategy of "toughness" on war. All-out war is incredibly destructive. The current most significant threats to peace and stability are not superpowers, they are embedded organizations. A "tough" strategy, interpreted as a "guns blazing" kind of strategy, is, I think, doomed to exacerbate the problem.
The days of toughness are largely over, I think. It is possible that they will come again, but I don't see that as likely. I think "finesse" and "intelligence" are far more integral to eliminating modern threats.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/5/2008 6:21:38 AM
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Im soooo upset i missed the interview tonight!
Not to fear, Fox News will repeat it several times. They might even have a special where they air the whole interview at once.
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I've lost a lot of respect for Obama because of his selfishness in trying to steal the thunder of McCain. That's just wrong, given how respectful McCain was to him.
McCain conducted an interview with Letterman during DNC week and announced his VP the day after Obama's big speech, which wiped out Obama's post speech thunder. I don't really see a difference here other than McCain didn't do anything on "Obama's night".
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/5/2008 10:00:51 AM
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I saw the interview last night and I'm amazed at how much Obama had to think.
He was given real questions and he answered them well except for the troop surge question.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/5/2008 3:44:54 PM
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I saw the interview last night and I'm amazed at how much Obama had to think.
He was given real questions and he answered them well except for the troop surge question.
he simply needs to admit he was wrong on that. One of my beefs about the current president is that he had to get a 2x4 upside the head about twelve times before he could admit a mistake.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/5/2008 4:22:52 PM
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I saw the interview last night and I'm amazed at how much Obama had to think.
He was given real questions and he answered them well except for the troop surge question.
he simply needs to admit he was wrong on that. One of my beefs about the current president is that he had to get a 2x4 upside the head about twelve times before he could admit a mistake.
But he did basically say he was wrong on that. It may not have been in the words "I was wrong" but the meaning was the same. I think he did hold his own well against O'Reilly and I may actually try to stomach more of his show to watch the whole interview.
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