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RE: Penn State Ministry Holds Services In Bar - 9/20/2008 12:09:26 AM
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MrFribbles
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Good for them! If I were in the area, I'd attend.
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RE: Penn State Ministry Holds Services In Bar - 9/20/2008 12:50:10 AM
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Well, if I were to go hunting I think it would be more productive to go to the woods than the shopping mall. If your intended ministry is toward folks that don't go to church, then you probably shouldn't try meeting in a church. Not everyone is going to be comfortable with this approach, but I have no problem with it.
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RE: Penn State Ministry Holds Services In Bar - 9/20/2008 8:00:27 AM
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Maybe not so bad.
Not something I would want to be part of.
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RE: Penn State Ministry Holds Services In Bar - 9/20/2008 9:18:16 AM
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I'm a christian, I go to church, but I wouldn't want a group witnessing to me while I have a cold one with my chums.
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RE: Penn State Ministry Holds Services In Bar - 9/20/2008 3:20:48 PM
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I'm a christian, I go to church, but I wouldn't want a group witnessing to me while I have a cold one with my chums.
Yeah, I would say this is a bit odd at the very least.
Wesley used to have his services out in a field. And I'm all for having a Bible study or something like that at a bar or a donut shop, but I'd imagine you've got to implement something like this really carefully.
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RE: Penn State Ministry Holds Services In Bar - 9/20/2008 7:47:25 PM
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Wow ,God is every where and we should be consumed by and with him. Witness no matter were you are, God said the sick need a doctor not the well,
The Calling of Matthew
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9:9-13pp -- Mk 2:14-17; Lk 5:27-32
10.While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" came and ate with him and his disciples.
11.When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?"
12.On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.
13.But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
Intreduce them to Jesus and he will do the rest.
Two Blessings way up for this Ministary ,God bless them .
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RE: Penn State Ministry Holds Services In Bar - 9/21/2008 7:10:36 AM
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Wow ,God is every where and we should be consumed by and with him. Witness no matter were you are,
You have to be careful were you witness. Depending on where and how you witness it may do more harm than good. It may be brave to witness in certain places but I often wonder if they are doing it for the benefit of others or their own self-rightiousness
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RE: Penn State Ministry Holds Services In Bar - 9/21/2008 11:08:11 AM
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When I first read the title it made me chuckle because it reminded me of an old song by comedian Tim Wilson called the "First Baptist Bar & Grill".
Anyway, if the the bar was closed or they had stopped selling alchohol then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But it looks like that is not the case and they are drinking while listening to sermons, and I'm not a fan of it. I would question if those listening are inebriated and able to comprehend the sermon.
Penn state is around #6 ranking for party colleges and I understand wanting to reach some of those students, but I simply disagree with the way they are doing this. Around here, if a church wants to reach out to others they put up a tent and have hot dogs and drinks (non-alcoholic) and invite the community for a meet and greet and hopefully reach out to some in need.
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RE: Penn State Ministry Holds Services In Bar - 9/21/2008 11:32:40 AM
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Anyway, if the the bar was closed or they had stopped selling alchohol then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But it looks like that is not the case and they are drinking while listening to sermons, and I'm not a fan of it. I would question if those listening are inebriated and able to comprehend the sermon.
If someone's getting drunk at a bar, then they'd need some serious money (relatively speaking, of course). I doubt if most college students have that. ; )
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RE: Penn State Ministry Holds Services In Bar - 9/21/2008 3:42:05 PM
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When I first read the title it made me chuckle because it reminded me of an old song by comedian Tim Wilson called the "First Baptist Bar & Grill".
Anyway, if the the bar was closed or they had stopped selling alchohol then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But it looks like that is not the case and they are drinking while listening to sermons, and I'm not a fan of it. I would question if those listening are inebriated and able to comprehend the sermon.
Penn state is around #6 ranking for party colleges and I understand wanting to reach some of those students, but I simply disagree with the way they are doing this. Around here, if a church wants to reach out to others they put up a tent and have hot dogs and drinks (non-alcoholic) and invite the community for a meet and greet and hopefully reach out to some in need.
I agree, you can't beat an old fashion revival
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RE: Penn State Ministry Holds Services In Bar - 9/21/2008 3:52:41 PM
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I agree, you can't beat an old fashion revival
Except that they reek of "churchiness", which can be a large turn off for a lot of non-believers.
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RE: Penn State Ministry Holds Services In Bar - 9/21/2008 3:58:07 PM
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Not any I've been to
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RE: Penn State Ministry Holds Services In Bar - 9/21/2008 4:08:06 PM
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When I first read the title it made me chuckle because it reminded me of an old song by comedian Tim Wilson called the "First Baptist Bar & Grill".
I love that song!
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Anyway, if the the bar was closed or they had stopped selling alchohol then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But it looks like that is not the case and they are drinking while listening to sermons, and I'm not a fan of it. I would question if those listening are inebriated and able to comprehend the sermon.
I have a much harder time comprehending things at 9am Sunday morning when I'm barely awake than I do at 7pm on a Friday evening after a beer or two.
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I agree, you can't beat an old fashion revival
Except that they reek of "churchiness", which can be a large turn off for a lot of non-believers.
They're a turn-off for me, too.
Christians in this country are too hung up on alcohol and "bars." How many people who are so dead against this have spent any time in bars? There is as wide a variety of "bars" as there are restaurants. McDonald's and Chez Henri both serve food, but that's about the only similarity between them; the same can be said of bars. Some are seedy dives; some are dance-oriented meat markets; but plenty are just friendly, lively gathering places for people to get together with friends. If you wouldn't have a problem with a church meeting in a Ruby Tuesday's or a TGI Friday's, then you shouldn't have a problem with them meeting in most "bars," because there's really very little difference between them.
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RE: Penn State Ministry Holds Services In Bar - 9/21/2008 7:22:00 PM
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Rockwall
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Christians in this country are too hung up on alcohol and "bars." How many people who are so dead against this have spent any time in bars? There is as wide a variety of "bars" as there are restaurants. McDonald's and Chez Henri both serve food, but that's about the only similarity between them; the same can be said of bars. Some are seedy dives; some are dance-oriented meat markets; but plenty are just friendly, lively gathering places for people to get together with friends. If you wouldn't have a problem with a church meeting in a Ruby Tuesday's or a TGI Friday's, then you shouldn't have a problem with them meeting in most "bars," because there's really very little difference between them.
-Dan.
I am not hung up on alcohol. I have a few drinks on occasion and even at TGIF. Like I said, I've never been to this bar, but it is located in the top-ten party colleges in the US. Now when I was younger I used to chug 'em down like no tomorrow, but now as a 38 yr. old man I drink in moderation and more responsibly.
The top party college and bar and church is what I have a problem with. Whenever me and the wife are up late watching DISH satellite we see commercials for videos such as "Girls Gone Wild" and other smut. Maybe it is a stereotype that I have of today's colleges that is my problem. This article mentions the Phryst bar and how it will participate in there own St. Patricks day celebration.
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Last year, there were 10 students taken to the emergency room on St. Patrick's Day for excessive drinking that occurred, Mahon said.
"The ER visits by Penn State students on St. Patrick's Day have gone up three years in a row," Mahon said. The total number of alcohol overdoses cannot be tallied, because the medical center does not keep records for nonstudents, he said.
Last year on St. Patrick's Day, the university experienced many alcohol-related incidents, including an accident where then-freshman Ryan P. Walton fell from a sixth story window while attending a party in Beaver Hall. Phryst LINK
I know that would not be a typical day because it is St Patrick's day, but it does show that some college students DO NOT drink in moderation.
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RE: Penn State Ministry Holds Services In Bar - 9/22/2008 5:47:45 PM
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MrFribbles
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Not any I've been to
Well, you're fortunate, then. The ones I've seen would have made no sense to me if I hadn't been a believer already.
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RE: Penn State Ministry Holds Services In Bar - 9/25/2008 10:30:06 AM
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Yea sounds, great, I mean they can bring their joints too if they want right? or is it just alchohol only? I would hate to see this being too legalistic.
KIDDDIIIIIIIIIIIIIING of course.
This sounds like the "seeker friendly" movement gone wild imo.
After all, when the salt loses it's saltiness what's it good for?
"And it's a laid-back one -- with music, ministry, and perhaps some Molson. About 50 students and area residents come out to hear the gospel every Sunday night, something Kingshipp hopes will go on for a long time to come."
I never thought of Jesus as being "laid back",,, why are they?
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RE: Penn State Ministry Holds Services In Bar - 9/25/2008 1:10:47 PM
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It's not "seeker sensitive."
This is about going into the world. Not trying to create a snazzy environment and hope the world wants to come see you.
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RE: Penn State Ministry Holds Services In Bar - 9/25/2008 10:02:42 PM
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Martin Luther and his family lived in a large house in a university town. To supplement their income they took in students as boarders, and Martin's wife Katie ran a brewery. Their house was well known as a place where lively theological discussions took place between Martin and the students. I suspect that a lot of Katie's beer was consumed as they sat around the table discussing the gospel. I don't think that Martin and Katie would have any problems with this weekly gathering in State College. They might even offer to buy the beer.
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RE: Penn State Ministry Holds Services In Bar - 9/26/2008 12:18:43 AM
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beer was used as 1 of the drink offeriings in the temple, i understand.
i've studied this issue in scripture, and found that it does not forbid drinking beer and wine, it only forbids drunkenness.
wine has heling powers, according to scripture, and it's antioxidant.
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