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RE: Revelation 6:6 - 8/11/2008 3:16:03 PM
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JimboFletch
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The wine might be silly speculation about future events by using today's paper and the Bible.
Do you really think you're living in the Great Tribulation and are using newspaper headlines to determine an end-times timeline or are you just trying to be funny?
If you're serious, you need to get off these forum and read just a tiny bit of history to discover that there were far worse times in 20th century than anyplace in the world today. You ain't seen world class tribulation in your lifetime.
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RE: Revelation 6:6 - 8/11/2008 3:34:59 PM
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Peter_Gunn
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I think his question is sincere...there is no need for rudeness and ridicule.
I will be honest enough to say I don't know exactly what the passage means, but maybe someone does. We'll see!
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RE: Revelation 6:6 - 8/11/2008 3:45:51 PM
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JimboFletch
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I think his question is sincere...there is no need for rudeness and ridicule.
I will be honest enough to say I don't know exactly what the passage means, but maybe someone does. We'll see!
I wasn't being rude.
Do YOU think we're in the Great Tribulation?
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RE: Revelation 6:6 - 8/11/2008 3:49:29 PM
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Peter_Gunn
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quote:
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ORIGINAL: Peter_Gunn
I think his question is sincere...there is no need for rudeness and ridicule.
I will be honest enough to say I don't know exactly what the passage means, but maybe someone does. We'll see!
I wasn't being rude.
Do YOU think we're in the Great Tribulation?
No. But I think his question is sincere and he'd probably appreciate some insight, as his post states.
My teachers always said, "The only stupid question is the unasked question."
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RE: Revelation 6:6 - 8/11/2008 3:55:29 PM
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Diolectic
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Do YOU think we're in the Great Tribulation? I don't, however, this is what I think this verse means.
They will continue to cry "hurt not the oil". However, in the 7 year peariod, it will be at it's pinical.
What is the "wine"?
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RE: Revelation 6:6 - 8/11/2008 4:54:46 PM
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bettymackII
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You have asked a very interesting question.
And it is refreshing to read that a person wants an answer to a Bible verse.
I don't have time right now,but I plan to do some research before I reply and look at some commentaries and hopefully check out some Greek scholar who have searched the Scriptures in the original language.
I want to encourage others to do what the Berean did...search the Scripture to see what it was saying.
May we be blessed in searching and discussing God's precious Word while we still have freedom to do so in this country.
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RE: Revelation 6:6 - 8/11/2008 5:26:10 PM
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WildByNature
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I don't see a rise in gas prices in this verse.
I see 4 staple foods -- wheat, barley, olive oil and wine -- 2 solids, 2 liquids.
I see that the rider of the black horse is allowed to "damage" the wheat and barley -- making what was once abundant to be scarce, thereby causing their prices to rise due to supply and demand. (famine and inflation)
But, as to the olive oil and wine, they are not as much of a necessity as wheat and barley, nor are they as abundant. Besides that, they both come from trees and trees are not to be "damaged" until God has sealed those who are His according to Rev 7:3. So, this horseman is not allowed to damage the oil and wine.
Anyway, that's just my thoughts.
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RE: Revelation 6:6 - 8/11/2008 5:55:01 PM
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Diolectic
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I don't see a rise in gas prices in this verse.
I see 4 staple foods -- wheat, barley, olive oil and wine -- 2 solids, 2 liquids.
I see that the rider of the black horse is allowed to "damage" the wheat and barley -- making what was once abundant to be scarce, thereby causing their prices to rise due to supply and demand. (famine and inflation)
But, as to the olive oil and wine, they are not as much of a necessity as wheat and barley, nor are they as abundant. Besides that, they both come from trees and trees are not to be "damaged" until God has sealed those who are His according to Rev 7:3. So, this horseman is not allowed to damage the oil and wine. Good point.
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RE: Revelation 6:6 - 8/11/2008 5:56:07 PM
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magiceraserbrush
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Diolectic I think the wine is just that wine but I also think that Judgement day is coming and the ones who worship the beast well be destroyed and the ones who worship God well be saved to live forever.
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RE: Revelation 6:6 - 8/11/2008 9:42:16 PM
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bettymackII
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I just looked online Matthew Henry's commentary on this verse of Rev.6:6.
''However, it seems this famine, as all others, fell most severely upon the poor; whereas the oil and the wine, which were dainties of the rich, were not hurt; but if bread, the staff of life, be broken, dainties will not supply the place of it.''
Wheat prices would be quite for the poor to buy during the famine. Not so with the rich who were the only ones who would able to buy wine and oil when the poor were eating bread as their staple before any famine would come to them.
I was interested in Mr. Henry's comment about the spiritual and physical duet:spiritual famine could be followed by physical famine.
I am enjoying this study and will be reading your thoughts on this verse too. Anybody else read another commentary on this verse?
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RE: Revelation 6:6 - 8/12/2008 9:19:10 AM
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verdigris
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quote:
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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch
Do YOU think we're in the Great Tribulation? I don't, however, this is what I think this verse means.
They will continue to cry "hurt not the oil". However, in the 7 year peariod, it will be at it's pinical.
What is the "wine"?
I'm not even sure we can make a firm assumption that 'the oil' is that kind of oil.. crude oil. Oil and wine together sound more like cooking items, but maybe if we think about what they were used for in that time.
This is all pure speculation on my part, but perhaps it is saying that grains will be worth so much because they will be scarce, but perhaps that oil and wine are not to be harmed, and will not yet be scarce.
Look at Young's Literal Translation: Revelation 6:6 (Young's Literal Translation)
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6and I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, `A measure of wheat for a denary, and three measures of barley for a denary,' and `The oil and the wine thou mayest not injure.
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RE: Revelation 6:6 - 8/12/2008 10:08:37 AM
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Peter_Gunn
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I read something yesterday (in another thread, I think) and a little voice has been trying to connect the two...but I'm not sure there is a connection.
Regarding the "oil"...how, or even is, it connected to the oil in the lamps spoken of in the parable of the wise and foolish virgins? (Matthew 25) What does the oil symbolize in that parable? Preparation? Being ready?
Maybe the voices in my head are just getting out of control! 
On the other hand, J. Vernon McGee has this to say about that passage:
"The oil and the wine are luxuries that are enjoyed by the rich. Oil would correspond to our toiletries, the beauty aids and the body conditioners that we use today; that is, the luxuries of life. The wine corresponds to the liquor that will be in abundance. Isn't it interesting that there will not be enough foodstuff, not enough barley for food, but there will be enough barley to make liquor! They will make it in that day, and the rich are the ones who will get it."
Then he goes on to draw some comparisons to WWII...how the rich had plenty of meat while the rest did not.
That makes sense to me. However this is my question about that passge...granted, God doesn't owe me any answers, but it's odd...why does He say to "not hurt the oil and the wine"? I'm curious as to what God is setting up here.
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RE: Revelation 6:6 - 8/12/2008 10:24:22 AM
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bob97
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I will say this...oil will most likely be the weapon of choice used by the Antichrist. Our life consists of energy and the deprivation it cause the world to adapt to almost any demand. Everything that supports the secular world is driven by oil…energy is and will continue to be the wealth of the world.
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RE: Revelation 6:6 - 8/12/2008 10:39:02 AM
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Peter_Gunn
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I will say this...oil will most likely be the weapon of choice used by the Antichrist. Our life consists of energy and the deprivation it cause the world to adapt to almost any demand. Everything that supports the secular world is driven by oil…energy is and will continue to be the wealth of the world.
Bob
Yep...oil can stand for everything the world holds "dear"...whether it be actual crude oil or just representative of the finer things. Keeping it available for only the powerful few to command and control will keep the rest of the world by the "short hairs".
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RE: Revelation 6:6 - 8/14/2008 7:09:35 PM
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bettymackII
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Does anybody have a means to a dictionary or a commentary to find the
root meaning of the word "hurt"....not the oil or wine?
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RE: Revelation 6:6 - 8/14/2008 7:45:53 PM
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Diolectic
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Does anybody have a means to a dictionary or a commentary to find the
root meaning of the word "hurt"....not the oil or wine? Greek Strongs #91 - αδικέω (adikeō) - ad-ee-keh'-o
From G94; to be unjust, that is, (actively) do wrong (morally, socially or physically): - hurt, injure, be an offender, be unjust, (do, suffer, take) wrong.
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RE: Revelation 6:6 - 8/14/2008 8:20:36 PM
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bettymackII
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Thanks for the quick answer.
Does your Strong's concordance show which verses have this word hurt ?(#91 and G94)
Did you find that hurt was only mention in Rev.6:6?
Could you list the Bible passages where these meaning of hurt were found?
(only make a list if there are only a few passages using the same thoughts
as #91 and G94)
I am not satisfied to the meaning of "hurt" in Rev.6:6 as meaning not to injure or do wrong to oil and wine.
Hopefully some of you scholarly posters can help us.
Thanks again for your research Diolectric!
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RE: Revelation 6:6 - 8/15/2008 7:20:12 PM
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tracydolls
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I always took it to mean those things that were considered luxuries. The rich will not be hurt by this coming what ever.
Oil in the Bible I don't think is crude oil. Oil was used for anointing, etc. Like Olive oil.
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