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Understanding the bible - 8/8/2008 10:36:10 PM
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Carico
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Again, there are only a few simple steps toward understanding the bible correctly. I'm talking only to born again Christians since 1 Corinthians 2:14 says that the man without the Spirit can't understand the things that come from God. After one is born again, here are the next steps:
1) Reading the whole bible and not changing one word but instead believing every word. This sounds simple, but this is where most people get stuck as I demonstrated in my thread: "Quote vs. interpretations."
2) Only after one reads the whole bible without changing one word, is he ready for solid food. Solid food is putting scripture together so that it doesn't contradict any other scripture. This begins the lifelong process of discerning the spiritual truths in the bible that are endless. But most people never get to the solid food because they're so busy bickering and arguing over what the bible actually says.
A perfect example of this is Matthew 1:25 which reads; "But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son." Now the catholics don't like that verse because the pope disagrees with it. So they change that verse to read; "But he had no union with her forever."
That one change changes the whole bible. here's how:
Claiming that Mary was a virgin her whole life leaves the dilemma of Christ's siblings. So the catholics now have to change them to make them either; cousins, adopted children, foster children, or step children. This makes Joseph either divorced or a widower, which adds more complications of his children, one of which is that it makes Mary a rotten wife for denyiing sex to her husband his whole life!
Changing MT. 1;25 then leads to making Mary as sinless as God which then makes Jesus the second sinless one who was born instead of the firstborn of the Spirit, it also means that the Holy Spirit would have had to come to Mary's mother if Mary herself was born immaculately which would then mean that Mary's mother was the first favored woman to conceive a child immaculately and changes Luke 1:4 so that Mary says, "I don't need a savior!" 
The above is just the tip of the iceberg of the changes that one has to make in the bible when people try to change even one verse. And the most common verses that Christians like to change are;
MT. 23:9-10
Genesis 1:1-2
Genesis 2:7
Which change the rest of the bible as well.
So changing verses, and adding or subtracting words is the single biggest factor int he disagreements between Christians and is thus, Satan's biggest tool in turning us against each other. So the best thing you can do when reading the bible is; don't mess with God's words. Just read and believe them exactly as written. Only then will one be ready for solid food. 
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RE: Understanding the bible - 8/9/2008 10:03:59 AM
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URForgiven
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Which Bible is the one that has not had the words changed in it?
Apparently you have the correct version, I am desperately in need of it, could you be so kind as to tell me which one that is?
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RE: Understanding the bible - 8/9/2008 10:50:30 AM
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Ezra
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The title of this thread should be "How to deliberately misunderstand the Bible", and the way it is done is to add to, subtract from, and modify the words of God.
The Reformation Bibles are still valid and still reliable. It is the modern translations, and the philopsophy behind them that has introduced a flood of changes and doubts about what constitutes the Word of God. In fact, certain passages have been made to say THE EXACT OPPOSITE of what they say!
However, a vast number of Christians have surrendered to the so-called "scholars" who have deliberately distorted Scripture by picking and choosing which manuscripts they will accept and which they will not. Today there is more confusion about what is truly the Word of God and what is not.
The Jesus Seminar is the extreme case, which has rejected the majority of the sayings of Christ and claimed that they are spurious. If this is not the work of the devil, I don't know what is.
No, all traslations are not equal, and the sooner Christians understand that, the sooner they will discern the truth from the lie.
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RE: Understanding the bible - 8/9/2008 3:10:12 PM
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The Reformation Bibles are still valid and still reliable ...because Jesus spoke in Shakespearean Middle English...?
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RE: Understanding the bible - 8/9/2008 3:23:03 PM
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RE: Understanding the bible - 8/9/2008 6:08:41 PM
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Ezra
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The Reformation Bibles are still valid and still reliable ...because Jesus spoke in Shakespearean Middle English...?
No. Because they rejected the Catholic bibles which had been corrupted. And guess which translation was imitated by the Douay-Rheims version?
The Catholic bibles are still unreliable, which is to be expected. Beware of all things coming from Rome.
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RE: Understanding the bible - 8/9/2008 6:11:44 PM
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BibleL7
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To the OP I hate to break the news to you but it is not changing words in bibles that causes problems with teachings. First of all the verse you use as an example is not changed to 'he knew her not forever' in any version especially not the two most accepted versions of the RCC Bibles. The problem is not with any of the Bibles or the way they are read. The problem is when someone says they have a different revelation than the Bible. Or the authority of the Bible is cast aside and replaced by authority of leaders who claim the Bible is no longer relevant to today's society. So it has nothing to do with Bible but everything to do with pride and arrogance of men and women who think they know better than the Word of God.
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RE: Understanding the bible - 8/9/2008 7:38:33 PM
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Carico
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ORIGINAL: URForgiven
Which Bible is the one that has not had the words changed in it?
Apparently you have the correct version, I am desperately in need of it, could you be so kind as to tell me which one that is?
Peace
Are you advocating changing the words when reading the bible? If you read the three main translations; the NIV, the KJV, and the NASB, you'll see that the meaning is the same in all of them. No bible says, "And do call anyone on earth 'father' for you have many father," nor does any bible say; "For the Lord God formed the man out of the wombs of apes." So the changes that people make have nothing to do with differences in bible translations whatsoever. Your comment is therefore moot.
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RE: Understanding the bible - 8/9/2008 7:49:42 PM
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Carico
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ORIGINAL: BibleL7
To the OP I hate to break the news to you but it is not changing words in bibles that causes problems with teachings. First of all the verse you use as an example is not changed to 'he knew her not forever' in any version especially not the two most accepted versions of the RCC Bibles. The problem is not with any of the Bibles or the way they are read. The problem is when someone says they have a different revelation than the Bible. Or the authority of the Bible is cast aside and replaced by authority of leaders who claim the Bible is no longer relevant to today's society. So it has nothing to do with Bible but everything to do with pride and arrogance of men and women who think they know better than the Word of God.
Sorry but you first need to know the difference between the words in the bible and people's interpretation of those words. That means knowing the difference between a quote and an interpretation. The catholics "interpret" MT. 1:25 into, "But he had no union with her forever" when the bible doesn't say that. So their interpretation is wrong, plan and simply. But if they believed the bible as written, they wouldn't interpret it differently than what's written.
We would all be in unity if we believed MT. 1:25 as written because all the words in that passage we all learned in elementary school. So again the problem isn't that the bible is hard to understand. The problem is that many people simply don't believe it as written. So they change it and write a different gospel, usually the opposite of what it says, which as Paul tells us in 2 Corinthians 11:4-15 is the sign of false teachers.
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RE: Understanding the bible - 8/9/2008 11:05:43 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Carico
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ORIGINAL: BibleL7
To the OP I hate to break the news to you but it is not changing words in bibles that causes problems with teachings. First of all the verse you use as an example is not changed to 'he knew her not forever' in any version especially not the two most accepted versions of the RCC Bibles. The problem is not with any of the Bibles or the way they are read. The problem is when someone says they have a different revelation than the Bible. Or the authority of the Bible is cast aside and replaced by authority of leaders who claim the Bible is no longer relevant to today's society. So it has nothing to do with Bible but everything to do with pride and arrogance of men and women who think they know better than the Word of God.
Sorry but you first need to know the difference between the words in the bible and people's interpretation of those words. That means knowing the difference between a quote and an interpretation. The catholics "interpret" MT. 1:25 into, "But he had no union with her forever" when the bible doesn't say that. So their interpretation is wrong, plan and simply. But if they believed the bible as written, they wouldn't interpret it differently than what's written.
We would all be in unity if we believed MT. 1:25 as written because all the words in that passage we all learned in elementary school. So again the problem isn't that the bible is hard to understand. The problem is that many people simply don't believe it as written. So they change it and write a different gospel, usually the opposite of what it says, which as Paul tells us in 2 Corinthians 11:4-15 is the sign of false teachers.
I don't think many people learn Hebrew and Greek in elementary school.
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RE: Understanding the bible - 8/10/2008 8:36:09 AM
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Carico
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ORIGINAL: cow451
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ORIGINAL: Carico
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ORIGINAL: BibleL7
To the OP I hate to break the news to you but it is not changing words in bibles that causes problems with teachings. First of all the verse you use as an example is not changed to 'he knew her not forever' in any version especially not the two most accepted versions of the RCC Bibles. The problem is not with any of the Bibles or the way they are read. The problem is when someone says they have a different revelation than the Bible. Or the authority of the Bible is cast aside and replaced by authority of leaders who claim the Bible is no longer relevant to today's society. So it has nothing to do with Bible but everything to do with pride and arrogance of men and women who think they know better than the Word of God.
Sorry but you first need to know the difference between the words in the bible and people's interpretation of those words. That means knowing the difference between a quote and an interpretation. The catholics "interpret" MT. 1:25 into, "But he had no union with her forever" when the bible doesn't say that. So their interpretation is wrong, plan and simply. But if they believed the bible as written, they wouldn't interpret it differently than what's written.
We would all be in unity if we believed MT. 1:25 as written because all the words in that passage we all learned in elementary school. So again the problem isn't that the bible is hard to understand. The problem is that many people simply don't believe it as written. So they change it and write a different gospel, usually the opposite of what it says, which as Paul tells us in 2 Corinthians 11:4-15 is the sign of false teachers.
I don't think many people learn Hebrew and Greek in elementary school.
And neither do most people read the bible in Hebrew and Greek. people only do that when they don't believe it as written in English.
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