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is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 9:14:00 AM
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EdwardWagemann
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I know some who are, in cases of rape or incest...but I can't agree with them.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 9:25:06 AM
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mikeman2
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I know some who are, in cases of rape or incest...but I can't agree with them.
Well lets break it down shall we? Christ-ian or Christ like. So if we call ourselves Christians and are trying to be Christ like we must ask ourselves, What would Jesus do? Can you see him driving someone to an abortion clinic under any circumstances? Could you imagine Joseph driving his wife to an abortion clinic with the justification that she was not a willing participant to have Christ?
Conversely, if we are only doing our own thing and doing what we think is only best for us then abortion can be defended as being our right to choose. It all boils down to serving the god of self or the God of us all.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 9:35:54 AM
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ctipton
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Could you imagine Joseph driving his wife to an abortion clinic with the justification that she was not a willing participant to have Christ?
While this may be helpful to an individual, I do not see this as helpful in the debate. Some may very well see Jesus doing all sorts of things based on their own views.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 10:07:02 AM
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martyfran
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Could you imagine Joseph driving his wife to an abortion clinic with the justification that she was not a willing participant to have Christ?
Actually, Joseph did have that choice, but he chose not to. He could have had Mary stoned to death, but his initial decision was against even that penalty prescribed by law.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 10:22:01 AM
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olddude
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Could you imagine Joseph driving his wife to an abortion clinic with the justification that she was not a willing participant to have Christ?
While this may be helpful to an individual, I do not see this as helpful in the debate. Some may very well see Jesus doing all sorts of things based on their own views.
Which has become the battle cry of leftist/liberals, who have removed Jesus from His throne and put him in a hybrid car with a "hug the tree" bumper sticker, driving to the can't we all get along, I love me rally
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 10:24:12 AM
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mikeman2
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Could you imagine Joseph driving his wife to an abortion clinic with the justification that she was not a willing participant to have Christ?
While this may be helpful to an individual, I do not see this as helpful in the debate. Some may very well see Jesus doing all sorts of things based on their own views.
True. After all, I think Hitler helped rationalized the killing of the Jews because they killed Christ. Then again, could you see Christ killing those people after he asked the Father to forgive them? Perspective is a wonderous thing.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 10:26:40 AM
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martyfran
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Which has become the battle cry of leftist/liberals, who have removed Jesus from His throne and put him in a hybrid car with a "hug the tree" bumper sticker, driving to the can't we all get along, I love me rally
Or how about the battle cry of the rightist: "My wealth is a sign of my rightousness" and that God wants me to have a 4,000 square foot house with a lexus parked in front. There is plenty of conservative Christians who belong to the me generation as well.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 10:50:41 AM
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olddude
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Which has become the battle cry of leftist/liberals, who have removed Jesus from His throne and put him in a hybrid car with a "hug the tree" bumper sticker, driving to the can't we all get along, I love me rally
Or how about the battle cry of the rightist: "My wealth is a sign of my rightousness" and that God wants me to have a 4,000 square foot house with a lexus parked in front. There is plenty of conservative Christians who belong to the me generation as well.
Never met a one in person. Anyone who claimed such I have found is not a Christian.
Wealth is no indicator of walk with God.
By the bye, did you know there are more wealthy "liberals" in the U.S. than "conservatives"?
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 11:01:57 AM
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big-bri
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Doesn't this topic technically violate the TOS?
"Attacking the character or motives of someone who differs with your view or denying that he or she is a Christian is unacceptable."
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 11:02:23 AM
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martyfran
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By the bye, did you know there are more wealthy "liberals" in the U.S. than "conservatives"?
Just curious, do you have a source for that data?
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 11:16:55 AM
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olddude
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By the bye, did you know there are more wealthy "liberals" in the U.S. than "conservatives"?
Just curious, do you have a source for that data?
I think you should do the research on that yourself, otherwise how are you to learn?
Start with elected representatives and their poliical leanings and wealth, then move to the cities of wealth and continue your search, broadining the base slowly.
Here is also one point.
"Conservatives" give more
And that is my final post in this thread. To discuss further a new topic will need to be started.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 11:23:15 AM
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big-bri
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I think you should do the research on that yourself, otherwise how are you to learn?
Yeah, martyfran- don't you know that it is your job to back up someone else's claim?
sheeeesh 
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 11:32:53 AM
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martyfran
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I think you should do the research on that yourself, otherwise how are you to learn?
Yeah, martyfran- don't you know that it is your job to back up someone else's claim?
sheeeesh
That is priceless! Actually, I love digging into data, so I really wanted to see his source.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 12:42:11 PM
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EdwardWagemann
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I'm new here, but I really cant stand the "tree-hugging liberal" or "money-grubbing right wing whacko" name calling that I've seen here so far. Exactly what is the purpose of these kinds of sweeping generalizations? If someone comes here and says "Yes, I am a tree-hugging liberal" then sure, you can define them as such, but I havent seen anyone here do that. And I think stereotypes dehumanize people and makes it easy to demonize people. And when it comes to searching for solutions OR trying to get a better understanding of the issues, stereotyping and generalizing are not very productive...
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 1:08:57 PM
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ctipton
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It is easier to use the caricatures to make fun of an opposing group than it is to rationally discuss the issues.
I think that is why many go that route. I usually do something similar when people resort to name calling or making unsubstantiated, outrageous claims. I guess I let them suck me into that.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 2:21:22 PM
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Dubya
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Getting back to the subject of the thread:
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I know some who are, in cases of rape or incest...but I can't agree with them.
I know some who hold that opinion and I know others who describe themselves as Christians who say they firmly believe that it should be a womann's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion - in order to assert their "reproductive rights" or some such rationale.
My personal view is that the only valid reason to have an abortion is when the mother's survival is in question. It then becomes a decision as to which life will survive - but I know many people who I respect as Christians that hold other views.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 3:03:15 PM
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olddude
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Oh yes, I am quite the card-carrying member of the ACLU, tree-hugging, abortionist raving liberal.
Not pointing to you, if taken that way my apology. Here lately there has been a lot of the what would Jesus drive, do, etc. and I tire of it and was joing in on what you wrote.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 3:09:49 PM
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olddude
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I'm new here, but I really cant stand the "tree-hugging liberal" or "money-grubbing right wing whacko" name calling that I've seen here so far. Exactly what is the purpose of these kinds of sweeping generalizations? If someone comes here and says "Yes, I am a tree-hugging liberal" then sure, you can define them as such, but I havent seen anyone here do that. And I think stereotypes dehumanize people and makes it easy to demonize people. And when it comes to searching for solutions OR trying to get a better understanding of the issues, stereotyping and generalizing are not very productive...
Did not call anyone a tree hugging liberal. I pointed to the fact that one current trend with leftists is the attempt to remove Christ from His throne and us as a political weapon. If you have not been seeing the what would Jesus drive, stuff and all, you are not looking.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 4:16:04 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Doesn't this topic technically violate the TOS?
"Attacking the character or motives of someone who differs with your view or denying that he or she is a Christian is unacceptable."
Shouldn't one be more concerned that people are calling for the murder of children in the name of Christ? The character and motives of those who claim Christ and champion abortion(Murder) is put into question by their own words and deeds...
John
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 4:50:36 PM
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It is possible for christians to do all kinds of sin....
but it is never profitable. As I am sure you know, to commit a sin as a christian is a horribly uncomfortable thing. To condone sin as a christian would make you a double minded person trying to serve two masters. This leads to insanity.
To support abortion as a christian would mean...you are headed for insanity...or you are not a christian. There is no other alternative
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 6:02:09 PM
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Karen1776
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EdwardWagemann
Christians aren't homogenized.
Nor, are they all in the same place on their journey.
IMO, 'I' can't be a good Christian and be pro-abortion.
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And the music played on as America served up appetizers,
thinking it would appease the beast and keep them safe
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 12/24/2006 6:53:12 PM
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gmax
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Is it possible for a Christian to be pro-abortion? Sure, but only if they haven't studied what scripture says on the subject. If they have, and merely turn from the clear teaching of scripture, then they are either in sin, or not saved.
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