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To Circ or Not To Circ
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| We did circumcise |
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| We will circumcise |
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| We are split on our decision |
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| What is circumcision? |
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| Did circ and regret it... |
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/28/2006 5:51:21 PM
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rainbowtvp
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ORIGINAL: karlie
I always thought it was an act of obedience. Nothing that had to be done just for cleanliness, but simply because God asked it of His chosen people. it was a sign that set his people apart from the rest.
I always believed this, too. If it was something that had other benefits, then they wouldn't be truly doing it as a sign of a covenant...
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I don't quite understand the "not being the same as daddy" argument.
When might boys stand around comparing penises with their daddy, or vice versa? I'm not sure my son has ever seen my husband's, or vice versa.
Not only THAT... but even if they DO, an adult's penis doesn't look ANYTHING like a child's penis. Daddy is going to look different regardless of either party's circumcision status.
We did not have our ds17 circ, my dh is, haven't had any issues-- health or psychological.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/28/2006 5:53:00 PM
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SarahsDaughter
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I think the issue means different things to different people and we should be mindful of that, as opposed to trying to take a right/wrong attitude. I don't think God is displeased either way. 1 Corinthians 7:19 says "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts."
With older children, if your sons are circumcised it could serve as a great 'object lesson' (so to speak) of how our hearts are to be circumcised by the spirit and how that's what counts (Romans 2:29). And if your sons are not circumcised that's a great 'object lesson' to teach that some times people do outward things and sometimes people don't, such as some circumcising and some not, but that no matter what the outside looks like, God makes his judgements based on the heart. (1 Samuel 16:7)
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/28/2006 11:03:38 PM
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W.O.F.
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We chose to circumcise both our boys.
Partially due to the Old Covenant...but mostly for health reasons.
I had the privilege of having a dad who had to be circumcised as an adult due to recurring bladder infections, yeast infections, etc. He talks in no uncertain terms about how he wished it had been done when he was a child so that he didn't have to remember the embarrassment and pain...... He insisted that all his sons be circumcised as babies.
IT is possible to have it done with very little discomfort for boys. I was present for one of my son's circumcisions..he was given a sugar nipple and he was done with a plastibell..which requires NO cutting. he didn't fuss at all...but he sure screamed 24 hours later when they did his PKU. My other son was next door when they did his...that doc used a local anesthetic as well as a sugar nipple....the sugar is a natural pain tolerance helper for infants...and I breast fed him immediately afterward...he never fussed either...
I DO think it is a very personal issue..and parents NEED to be on the same page with it and understand what they are doing and why...whether they are going for/ or against circumcision.
there is NO right or wrong to this issue....
it is NOT defiguring or crippling to men.....but neither is not having it done.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/29/2006 8:04:12 AM
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I just came across this thread. We have 3 boys, all circumcised in infancy. My husband had not been circumcised as a baby and had to be when he was about 12 (I don't remember why -- probably infections). He thought it much more traumatic and a bigger deal in general at that age than it would have if it had been done in infancy, so he wanted them to have it done as babies. They didn't have any problems. He hasn't had any, either, since his.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/29/2006 8:08:51 AM
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manda59
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This whole topic is of interest to me since it's just not carried out often in the UK.
The most recent figures I could find for the UK was 6.5%, in the mid-1970s.
From Circumcision Facts
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# At present, around 80 per cent of US males have been circumcised, mostly for non-religious reasons. The frequency of newborn circumcision has fallen in the USA from 90 per cent in the 1950s to around 60 per cent today.
# In Korea, more than 90 per cent of men have been circumcised, usually in their teens and twenties.
# In the UK in 1948, around 20 per cent of boys were circumcised shortly after birth, more commonly among middle class families and those living in the south of England. Then, 50 per cent of grammar school boys, 84 per cent of public school boys and 60 per cent of graduates were circumcised. By 1975, only 6 per cent of boys born in the UK were circumcised.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/29/2006 9:42:20 AM
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smootches2uall
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If I ever have sons I'll leave all their original bits and pieces well alone. lol. I like how you said that.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/29/2006 12:39:09 PM
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cynthia
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If I ever have sons I'll leave all their original bits and pieces well alone.
That is it in a nutshell. In this country, many doctors give instructions for cleaning little boys that actually cause them harm. This is why some boys, in the U.S.A., when they are not circumcised, have trouble. It is not because they are not circumcised. The trouble is from parents that are not leaving their little boy's parts alone, but are "cleaning" them. Pushing back the foreskin is not cleaning. It is damaging and causes all sorts of problems. If parents would just leave it alone, it would be fine and problems would be rare.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/30/2006 2:58:46 AM
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Pinksultana
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We will circumcise....argh our first few months of marriage intimacy were hell due to my husbands suffering Phismosis (i think thats what it is) where the foreskin opening was too small to retract behind glans....caused a lot of pain for him, and a lot of communication difficulties for both of us, who were virgins and wondered whether it was painful for all men, and wondered whether this was all sex cracked up to be. Husband did not get circumsised, he was given topical steroids and things are all good, however we would like to prevent such physical and emotional pain for our baby....and also the clealiness factor which was difficult for husband all through his teens with the pain he felt.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/30/2006 12:21:58 PM
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Invisible_Woman
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When I was prego with ds I had decided not to. My decision was based on what I had researched and decided it was not a medically necessary thing to do. Plus his dad was not either.
But to do it all over again I would decide to have it done at birth. Why? My son ended up having to have it done at age 9. After watching what he had to do at that age I wish I would have done it at birth. I followed directions by doctors from day one as to how to bathe and still he had to go through what he did so I just would not take a chance.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/30/2006 12:26:14 PM
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I did not have my baby boys circumsized because I watched one being done and it was painful for the infant- no doubt about it.
Now, both boys are fine. The youngest got a small infection but antibiotics cleared it all up quickly.
GOd Bless
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/30/2006 12:56:38 PM
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cynthia
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When I was prego with ds I had decided not to. My decision was based on what I had researched and decided it was not a medically necessary thing to do. Plus his dad was not either.
But to do it all over again I would decide to have it done at birth. Why? My son ended up having to have it done at age 9. After watching what he had to do at that age I wish I would have done it at birth. I followed directions by doctors from day one as to how to bathe and still he had to go through what he did so I just would not take a chance.
What were the doctor's instructions?
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/30/2006 4:15:11 PM
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cynthia
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Ouch. Thanks for clarifying that, Latic.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 5/26/2006 1:42:54 PM
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DaveW
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There is a now-closed thread here that has a link to a teaching that to circumcise is sinful under the new covenant. If this were so, Paul would have sinned in circ'ing Timothy in Acts 16. There is no indication of that in scripture. The person also said that OT circ'ing was just a cut, not removal. THis is contradicted several places in the OT, the most glaring is the name "Gilgal" which was where all males were circ'ed before entering the promised land opposite Jerico. The word means "big pile of foreskins."
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 5/26/2006 5:47:27 PM
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Auben
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We circumcised all 4 boys because dh's family has a history of male problems in that area. The only people who have not had them have been circumsized. All 4 of my husband's uncles were circumsized in their 30s and 40s. After tracing the problem back 3 generations we decided there was probably a genetic component so we opted for circumcision.
Dh and I have attended every single one and have comforted them. That's pretty rare (according to staff) and I really recommend it because it helps a great deal.
However, if genetics wasn't against us we would not have it done. Its painful and frightening for the child. If you're on the fence of this issue at all I recommend seeing one done (if possible) because it negates any casual reasons.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 5/28/2006 4:29:16 PM
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SkillfullGourmet
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I will opt to keep sharp objects away from my babies' genitals. With proper care (many doctors in the states have been teaching improper care) complications are minimal. There is no other body part we opt to lop off at birth because of fear of complications!
And even if grown men go through more pain and suffering when getting circumcised than babies do (which is argueable) I think it's better because as adults they are able to rationalize through the pain -- a baby just feels fear and agony.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 12/1/2006 1:01:48 PM
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I realize I have entered this discussion late – but I want to throw out a new idea related to this topic and see what other people think.
As many of you, my wife and I were split on this decision. I was not circumcised and have experiences both the positive and negative. In regard to the negative, I have caught my fair share of yeast infections (from my wife when she gets them from taking antibiotics) and have had a few that have lasted a very long time (2-3months). Although circumcised men also get yeast infections, it is more problematic for uncircumcised men.
By the way, we did decide to circumcise all of our sons and I do think this has a real health benefit. However, I have often wondered if it was a good decision.
< Message edited by karlie -- 12/1/2006 3:03:37 PM >
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 12/4/2006 12:02:16 PM
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I don't understand the more sensitive/less sensitive argument. If you are uncirced how can you claim you have more sensitivity? You have never been circed so you have nothing to compare with! If you were circed as a baby you can't state for certain that you have more/less sensitivity because you have no experience as an uncirced man. It's just not a good argument.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 12/4/2006 12:48:04 PM
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Flashskeletal
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Kristin:
I would strongly suggest that you and others visit Wikipedia (www.wikipedia.com) and search under the topic "Sexual effects of circumcision." I think this site provides fair-minded research on the subject and clearly explains the pro's and con's of circumcision on sexual activity in a non-perverted way. It clearly highlights the sexual advantages of not being circumsized.
Beyond this, I knew two men what where circumsized as adults and in regard to sexual sensative they stated there is no comparasion -- much more sensativity when not being circumsized. Not only is this better for a man, but I honestly think -- and this is my most important point -- it helps men to be more sensative in and outside the bedroom. I would like to elaborate -- but I'm not sure if it would cross the line of sexual appropriateness at this site.
I would also like to address your question about my personal expereince and wish I could -- but I'm not sure Katie (editor) would allow it -- such a conversation does draw close to sexual appropriateness at this site. As such, I will simply ask you to use your mind.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 12/4/2006 12:54:59 PM
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I'm merely saying that I don't think it is a good argument against circumcision. I'm not necessarily staunchly pro-circumcision but I don't believe that sexual sensitivity (or lack thereof) is a good reason to make a decision for or against circumcision. I've read the research but I think it is faulty at best.
(Not to mention the fact that wikipedia is not a valuable resource for this type of information.)
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 12/4/2006 1:02:56 PM
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Flashskeletal
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Kristin:
I disagree with you on two accounts. First, Wikipedia is a valid source becasue it lists referred academic journals in which people can search for answers. I have actually located some of the journals -- for example, the Journal of Urology is a solid health journal. As such, Wikipedia is not refereed, but it lists journals which are. It is a valid source if people are willing to go to ogiginal sources.
Second, to me a good way to make important decisions -- such as whether to circumcision or not -- is to list all of the pro's and con's -- even smaller ones. Then go over the entire list and make a decision. In regard to our sons, the overall benefits and weaknesses of both actions suggested to us that circumcision is a better action. However, I will not deny that sexual activity and sensative is better -- generally thinking -- when not uncircumsized. However, sexual sensativity and better control is also mediated by other factors and variables.
Do I make sense?
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. BUT, many ppl in the US who are no-circ consider it disfiguring. Disfigurment refers to "impair (as in beauty) by deep and persistent injuries". Although I think that is a little extreme.
. In Continental Europe it's simple: If you are a Jewish or Muslim parent you have your son circumcised. If you aren't you don't. 
