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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/18/2005 7:19:12 PM
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tony.nz
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Please explain in detail, suppport scipturally and historically, what lie founded the RCC.
Please explain in detail, where (other than your conspiracy based websites) you get verifiable facts which show the RCC is trying to unite all religions.
We already know your opinions, now back them up with accepted and verified facts.
I choose to worship as a Roman Catholic, after training and study from outside and within the RCC I find a solid foundation in the papcy and what it represents (not what you or others want to attach to it). That does not mean I worship the Pope, that I worship Mary, or any of the other attributes you make up and assign to Catholics only to then condemn them for it.
By your assessment, however, I am a false prophet and an Anti-Christ.
Since I follow the Gospel of Christ, have received the Holy Spirit and rely upon his leading for discernment, then according to you, this must be a deception and a lie. I suppose his promises in the Word are a lie and a deception as well.
Oh...one more thing for you and others on this thread:
From the TOS:
“Posts claiming that the Pope is the anti-christ and that the catholic church is the whore of Babylon, while accepted teachings by many protestant churches, will be considered disruptive to the conversations and the atmosphere of learning we wish to provide. Please abstain from these claims.”
Blessings in Christ to you,
Meep meep
OK, fair enough. And blessings also on Christ to you.
I have already previously referred you to post 21, and the link provided on that. This contains all the information on which I base my assertion that the RC Church is founded on a lie.
Also, regardless of whether Simon Peter was in fact the first pope, the interpretation of Matthew 18:16, upon which the claim of the primacy of the pope is founded, is also very shaky to say the least. Someone else has posted a good explanation of this, I will find it if I can.
Now, I have not posted that I believe that the pope is the Anti-christ, or that the RC church is the whore of Babylon. I have posted that I believe that the pope is an anti-christ, there is a very significant difference. For many anti-christs have gone out, basically all false prophets are included. However, the Anti-Christ is I believe, the man of sin, the son of perdition, yet to be revealed. Obviously, I do not know who this is, otherwise it would be revealed. I do not believe that the RC church is the whore of Babylon. However, I do believe that the work of the spirit of Antichrist can be seen in the RC church, and in many other churches. As I have pointed out, it attacks where it can.
I have never said that anybody in the RC church (apart from the pope) is a false prophet or an anti-christ. I have said that I waver in my opinions, in regard to whether they can be part of the universal church of Christ.
On the one hand, there are people such as yourself, who in all ways (so far as I can tell) hold to the essentials of salvation. On the other hand, I can not personally understand how such a person could accept the primacy of the pope, or indeed many of the doctrines of the RC church which include worship of "saints".
Please do not be offended at this, I am just being totally honest about how I feel. And, at the end of the day, I can only say that God knows those who are His.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/18/2005 7:58:30 PM
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For an explanation of why I do not think that the RC Church is the Whore of Babylon, refer to post 6 on the thread "The Harlot on the Beast".
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/18/2005 8:16:22 PM
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For an explanation of why I do not think that the RC Church is the Whore of Babylon, refer to post 6 on the thread "The Harlot on the Beast".
Dear Tony and Meep,
In this folder, one may say such things about the CC so long as it is germane to the thread.
On the Feast of St. Dominic Trach
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/18/2005 9:01:39 PM
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Since I follow the Gospel of Christ, have received the Holy Spirit and rely upon his leading for discernment, then according to you, this must be a deception and a lie. I suppose his promises in the Word are a lie and a deception as well.
Oh...one more thing for you and others on this thread:
From the TOS:
“Posts claiming that the Pope is the anti-christ and that the catholic church is the whore of Babylon, while accepted teachings by many protestant churches, will be considered disruptive to the conversations and the atmosphere of learning we wish to provide. Please abstain from these claims.”
Blessings in Christ to you,
Meep meep
It is true that the CC believes all the main tenants of faith that defines the greater realm of Christianity (virgin birth, atonement for sins, Christ’s righteousness and the Resurrection, etc.).
So technically you are correct because the CC cannot be defined negatively as other suggest according to the epistles of John.
I often wonder what Christ thinks of His Church. I wouldn’t want to get lost in such hubris that I would consider it to be only my own little protestant world. I’ve suggested before that the center of Christianity may no longer even be in the West.
All that aside, I do find this type of censorship interesting since one of the four main views of Revelation and eschatology has as its main focus just such a statement as you have quoted from the TOS. Luther believed this to be so. So this statement from the TOS is like protestants “dis”-ing themselves.
Oh well, is the RCC or any church mentioned in prophecy?
Revelation (the book written down by John) claims to be prophecy in at least 5 locations from beginning to end.
Some claim there is no church mentioned after chapter 4. I would think that this is false and this leads me to wrap up the point I made earlier about what Jesus thinks about the Church.
Rev 12:17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.
In my book, people who hold to the testimony of Jesus are Christians and defacto members of the One Church. What is the testimony of Jesus? John held it.
Rev 1:9 I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
I think it is clear in John’s Gospel.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Joh 1:7 He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him.
Joh 1:8 He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light.
Joh 1:9 The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world.
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him.
Joh 1:11 He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him.
Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/19/2005 11:34:02 AM
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Meep,
In order to facilitate a full discussion on all the issues raised by those who hold a view identifying the Catholic Church as having a negative part in the end times the rule you quoted is lifted in this particular thread.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/20/2005 2:50:33 PM
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Some of the claims alone make the possibilities quite obvious. One being that anyone relying ONLY in God, Jesus, and God's word is a heretic. Also, "We're the first, the greatest, and the only."
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/20/2005 6:42:01 PM
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....I often wonder what Christ thinks of His Church. ...
Oh, that is an easy one; Christ loves and cares for His Church. The question who is and is not in His Church?
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/20/2005 6:57:38 PM
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Oh, that is an easy one; Christ loves and cares for His Church. The question who is and is not in His Church?
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/20/2005 10:12:47 PM
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Yes, what is mentioned in the bible as the Great Whore, but this just isin't about the Roman Catholic church, it's about all mainline organized Christianity. This would include many Protestants as well. Any faith or sect that prostitutes the word of God for money or material things is part of this.
And your basis for judging the motives of people is what?
And just which faith or sect are you promoting?
It's quite obvious if you read it. How many churches claim to spread the word of God only to adorn their buildings with gold and statues.
Many Catholic and mainline protestant churches now do this. They don't explain the gospel as it is and many deny the resurrection and diety of Christ. I think that would qualify for the prophecy. Iv'e seen many churches do this. The Vatican is political and corrupt. The richest organization in the world. It's the Vatican that is working to unify Christianity, Judiasim, and Islam. Get it, { The One World Religion/Government. } Look around and observe. All you have to do is put 2 and 2 together.
As far as me promoting a sect or denomination, Im not. I don't believe in denominations and don't belong to one. Im a Christian, PERIOD.
that is all very well. however, I fellowship with a group of believers who come under a mainline denomination. I presume you include us, since you speak of all mainline denominations. And similarly, you have categorised and judged many other people who also consider themselves CHRISTIANS.
Now, our building is not ordained with gold, or with statues. And since you have not visited us, there is no way that you can say that we do not explain the gospel as it is, or that we deny the deity and resurrection of Christ. How many fellowships have you "sampled", in order to come up with this conclusion about all mainline denominations? And also, in regard to your view that it is all about money with the leaders, I will discuss this with our newly appointed Pastor, who has given up a presumably very well paying job in local government management, in order to take on a modest remuneration in full time ministry. I am sure that he would be highly amused.
So, you don't belong to a denomination. You are a Christian. This is very commendable, because I also hold the view that faith in Christ is the determinant of salvation. Many people have a faith in a leader, or an organisation, as a surrogate to their faith in Christ. However, we are told to fellowship with other believers, and I personally believe that we can not function effectively in a vacuum. What we term "church", is usually simply a gathering of believers with similar outlooks and views. And a "denomination" is often just a group of "churches", with similar outlooks and views. So, I hope you belong to a "church", if you do your "church" may or may not be part of a "denomination". However, I hope that it is not a "church" which isolates itself totally from other groups of believers, otherwise what you belong to may be a "sect". And, if you are not committed to a "church" you may be a "lone ranger". And, I warn you, I have seen many "lone rangers" get picked of by satan.
"Mystery, Babylon the Great", is false religion. It is based upon the premise of the tower of Babel, that man can ascend to the stars, raising himself to godhood through esoteric knowledge. (The tree of knowledge of good and evil) It's author and architect is satan. It is the Mother of harlots and of the abominations of the earth. These include all false religions and sects, which deny salvation through Christ alone. It is also entangled through the doctrines and practices of the RC Church, and attempts to entangle itself and attack through many other groups which go by the name of Christ. It's ministers are false prophets, the many antichrists who have come forth. And it will find it's grand fulfillment in the one to come, the man of sin, the false prophet who is Antichrist.
And, be careful. Whichever group you associate with, it will attack if it can. It is very insiduous. A strong and charismatic "leader" may inadvertantly cause people to look to him, to believe his words, rather than find their own answers in the Word. A "culture" of salvation by works, and even obedience to leadership, can develop over time. Also pride through "exclusivism" - ie "we are the ones who are more christian than others". Denigration/disapproval of any who choose to leave. It will not attack in ways that are immediately obvious. I have seen this, in a previous fellowship that prided itself in being "non-denominational". I suddenly became aware, that over time, it had developed many cult-like attributes. Although still "Christian", I believe that it is under attack by the spirit of Antichrist.
So, we need to be very careful about how we judge, and be careful lest we are entangled.
Gee uhh, I don't think of myself as exclusive over anyone. I am far from perfect. I am a sinner as well as everyone else is. Like I said it is written in the bible. Put 2 and 2 together. I didn't write it . I am judging no one. Saying the RCC is corrupt doesn't mean that Catholics are corrupt. I know good { saved } Catholics who would agree with me. My church has worship and watch once a month with other churches. If anyone is being judgemental or exclusive it is you. The Vatican is a hierarchy!
Do a little research, it is the Vatican who wants to unify Judiaism, Christianity, and Islam. Jews and Muslims don't believe Jesus was the Son of God let alone in the Trinity. Now if the Vatican claims to be Christian how can they condone a Unified religion of the sort?
There are many corrupt evangelists too. Many Lutheran Churches teach a watered down liberal version of the Gospel that conforms to the world rather than God. The word is the truth and the truth is the word and the word is life and life is Jesus.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/21/2005 3:17:01 AM
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Yes, what is mentioned in the bible as the Great Whore, but this just isin't about the Roman Catholic church, it's about all mainline organized Christianity. This would include many Protestants as well. Any faith or sect that prostitutes the word of God for money or material things is part of this.
And your basis for judging the motives of people is what?
And just which faith or sect are you promoting?
It's quite obvious if you read it. How many churches claim to spread the word of God only to adorn their buildings with gold and statues.
Many Catholic and mainline protestant churches now do this. They don't explain the gospel as it is and many deny the resurrection and diety of Christ. I think that would qualify for the prophecy. Iv'e seen many churches do this. The Vatican is political and corrupt. The richest organization in the world. It's the Vatican that is working to unify Christianity, Judiasim, and Islam. Get it, { The One World Religion/Government. } Look around and observe. All you have to do is put 2 and 2 together.
As far as me promoting a sect or denomination, Im not. I don't believe in denominations and don't belong to one. Im a Christian, PERIOD.
that is all very well. however, I fellowship with a group of believers who come under a mainline denomination. I presume you include us, since you speak of all mainline denominations. And similarly, you have categorised and judged many other people who also consider themselves CHRISTIANS.
Now, our building is not ordained with gold, or with statues. And since you have not visited us, there is no way that you can say that we do not explain the gospel as it is, or that we deny the deity and resurrection of Christ. How many fellowships have you "sampled", in order to come up with this conclusion about all mainline denominations? And also, in regard to your view that it is all about money with the leaders, I will discuss this with our newly appointed Pastor, who has given up a presumably very well paying job in local government management, in order to take on a modest remuneration in full time ministry. I am sure that he would be highly amused.
So, you don't belong to a denomination. You are a Christian. This is very commendable, because I also hold the view that faith in Christ is the determinant of salvation. Many people have a faith in a leader, or an organisation, as a surrogate to their faith in Christ. However, we are told to fellowship with other believers, and I personally believe that we can not function effectively in a vacuum. What we term "church", is usually simply a gathering of believers with similar outlooks and views. And a "denomination" is often just a group of "churches", with similar outlooks and views. So, I hope you belong to a "church", if you do your "church" may or may not be part of a "denomination". However, I hope that it is not a "church" which isolates itself totally from other groups of believers, otherwise what you belong to may be a "sect". And, if you are not committed to a "church" you may be a "lone ranger". And, I warn you, I have seen many "lone rangers" get picked of by satan.
"Mystery, Babylon the Great", is false religion. It is based upon the premise of the tower of Babel, that man can ascend to the stars, raising himself to godhood through esoteric knowledge. (The tree of knowledge of good and evil) It's author and architect is satan. It is the Mother of harlots and of the abominations of the earth. These include all false religions and sects, which deny salvation through Christ alone. It is also entangled through the doctrines and practices of the RC Church, and attempts to entangle itself and attack through many other groups which go by the name of Christ. It's ministers are false prophets, the many antichrists who have come forth. And it will find it's grand fulfillment in the one to come, the man of sin, the false prophet who is Antichrist.
And, be careful. Whichever group you associate with, it will attack if it can. It is very insiduous. A strong and charismatic "leader" may inadvertantly cause people to look to him, to believe his words, rather than find their own answers in the Word. A "culture" of salvation by works, and even obedience to leadership, can develop over time. Also pride through "exclusivism" - ie "we are the ones who are more christian than others". Denigration/disapproval of any who choose to leave. It will not attack in ways that are immediately obvious. I have seen this, in a previous fellowship that prided itself in being "non-denominational". I suddenly became aware, that over time, it had developed many cult-like attributes. Although still "Christian", I believe that it is under attack by the spirit of Antichrist.
So, we need to be very careful about how we judge, and be careful lest we are entangled.
Gee uhh, I don't think of myself as exclusive over anyone. I am far from perfect. I am a sinner as well as everyone else is. Like I said it is written in the bible. Put 2 and 2 together. I didn't write it . I am judging no one. Saying the RCC is corrupt doesn't mean that Catholics are corrupt. I know good { saved } Catholics who would agree with me. My church has worship and watch once a month with other churches. If anyone is being judgemental or exclusive it is you. The Vatican is a hierarchy!
Do a little research, it is the Vatican who wants to unify Judiaism, Christianity, and Islam. Jews and Muslims don't believe Jesus was the Son of God let alone in the Trinity. Now if the Vatican claims to be Christian how can they condone a Unified religion of the sort?
There are many corrupt evangelists too. Many Lutheran Churches teach a watered down liberal version of the Gospel that conforms to the world rather than God. The word is the truth and the truth is the word and the word is life and life is Jesus.
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Do a little research, it is the Vatican who wants to unify Judiaism, Christianity, and Islam. Jews and Muslims don't believe Jesus was the Son of God let alone in the Trinity. Now if the Vatican claims to be Christian how can they condone a Unified religion of the sort?
There are many corrupt evangelists too. Many Lutheran Churches teach a watered down liberal version of the Gospel that conforms to the world rather than God. The word is the truth and the truth is the word and the word is life and life is Jesus.
Dear BP4G,
If you have done this "little research", would you quote your evidence for this accusation?
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/21/2005 5:27:57 AM
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Anti-Christ means someone who is against Christ, or denies that Jesus is the Christ. Not someone who claims to be the Christ.quote:
1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. If a church does not deny Jesus is the Christ, they obviously can't be the anti-Christ.
Does the Pope deny Jesus is the Christ? If he does then he is the anti-Christ. But if he confesses that Jesus is the Christ, then he can't be the anti-Christ. Make sense?
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/21/2005 6:48:58 AM
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....I often wonder what Christ thinks of His Church. ...
Oh, that is an easy one; Christ loves and cares for His Church. The question who is and is not in His Church?
Thanks
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He knows all of that and is sticking to the topic. Quit bouncing around threads and making false implications.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/25/2005 2:01:08 PM
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The Catholic Church in addition to about every church with a denomination squabbles too much with other churches over petty differences, when they all believe the same basic message. Anyone who puts their faith in anything but God, any man, any belief, or custom, can be led astray. Remember the Crusades?
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 3/12/2006 4:57:05 PM
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The way I see it, the leadership of the catholic church will help to usher in the coming Anti-Christ. I believe they will be pivotal in the religion of the False Prophet. Now with that being said, I believe that an anti-pope would lead an underground church. Anti-popes were a reality not to long ago, where unelected catholics tried to seize control of the church and for a brief time were able to.
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The way I see it, the leadership of the catholic church will help to usher in the coming Anti-Christ. I believe they will be pivotal in the religion of the False Prophet. Now with that being said, I believe that an anti-pope would lead an underground church. Anti-popes were a reality not to long ago, where unelected catholics tried to seize control of the church and for a brief time were able to.
@Mecha....
You watch too many movies.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 3/16/2006 6:28:30 PM
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Well if the Catholic Church is the whore, then the Protestant Churches are the illegitimate children of the whore. That's the logically conclusion.
I think people read far to much into this, and part of its what they want to read.. Scripture says that no one can say Jesus is Lord and be from the Devil. And well the Catholic Church has been proclaiming that for 2,000 years.
We have also been one of the only voices of Truth out there. News now says that the former pope's assisination attmept was done by Communist Russia.
I don't doubt that there won't be Catholics who will turn from the Church, and there are Judases amongst us..But the Catholc Church in some way or another will stand. Christ promised us that...
I think we are more likely to stand than a lot of other Churches, because we are committed to the idea that "if anyone comes to us with a gospel other than the one we have accepted." We know to reject it..We've survived 2,000 years and some of the worst periods in history. The Lord who founded us will make us stand.
This doesn't mean that we won't go through persecution though, and yes we may have an underground Church as the person mentioned. In fact there are already underground Catholic Churches throughout the world. The most famous one is in China...And for the record if a pope were to say for example that Jesus Christ was not God, (to deny dogma and commit apostasy, he would be rejected...) Any pope elected as a replacement would be regarded as the real one.. (Not the anti-one) We don't believe that will happen though.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 4/20/2006 3:29:24 PM
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Well if the Catholic Church is the whore, then the Protestant Churches are the illegitimate children of the whore. That's the logically conclusion.
I think people read far to much into this, and part of its what they want to read.. Scripture says that no one can say Jesus is Lord and be from the Devil. And well the Catholic Church has been proclaiming that for 2,000 years.
That is logical only in the physical realm and in a physical sense. This is crazy to waste my time on even acknowledging this, but what the heck.
Good things can and often do come out of something bad. What did all Christian gentiles come from? What does every born again Christian come from? NOT A GODLY LIFE! Humor me and object to this.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 4/23/2006 6:52:13 PM
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The one thing I would say is that no other branch of Christendom has the influence that the Catholic Church has, now or in the past. One billion Catholics is one in 6.7 human beings. In most Catholic countries you are still looking at a >90% Catholic majority. If the Catholic church ever became energized around correct first century doctrine well, Boom! Revivalis Maximus! But as it sits, the current Pope is about as first century as Popes get, strongly centered on the person of Christ, but he still entertains the concepts of the Coredemtrix, transubstantiation and most importantly the supremacy of the Pope as the only true heir of Peter, the Vicar of Christ. These are all nonsense, heresies that have caused schism through the ages, but because the Roman Church was one of the last standing and the onlyone to spread into Northern Europe it was left bascially unchallenged after the time of Constantine. So that by the time Charlemagne came along the pope thought it his right to crown a Holy Roman Emperor. Will the next Pope, Last Pope, crown another Holy Roman Emperor? the false belief that the Pope alone has authority over God's church on Earth will open the door for a true Black Pope to assist in the great deception of the endtimes. Catholics mostly are religious, they do what Papa says when heaven is on the line and when Papa starts saying it's time for a world union of religions, hundreds of millions of them will be happy to assist. Benedict will never do this, but Catholic prophcy says his reign will be short and the next Pope will be a great deceiver. There is already much Catholic bigotry that goes on, for and against. But there are many gracious and loving Catholics, truly good people, and they should not be cast aside when we think of the Bride of Christ.
The world, as dark as it has become, is still a place where good people exist outside the halls of Faith. The offer of God unto salvation is still open and remains open. But in the times soon to come many will make a choice to side with the Beast and in so doing create a world hostile to anyone who worships Christ in the temple of their heart.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 5/21/2006 2:39:34 AM
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Giulia
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Yes , Rome was built on seven hills, so was Constantinople and now we hear there are other cities built on seven hills. I think this could of been indicative of past era's as well as today. In the past there was the selling of salvation through indulgences in the Roman Catholic church. Today there are those who charge for people to hear the gospel. They label their sermons "conferences" so they will be disguised and they are much like a harlot. God's Word should not be charged for, yes a workman is deserving of his food but he shouldn't be asking or demanding a door fee, this is a shameful thing that is happening in the church, and is so common it is frightening.
As a result many Christians are being looked at as charletons and really there is no defence because it is true.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 5/21/2006 5:33:46 AM
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Ben-T
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The idea that someone could proclaim that Christ was God and yet be of Hell is so disgustingly offensive and illogical as to make me wretch.
If Protestants can say that the Roman Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon, why shouldn't Catholic say that the Protestant churches are the same? This is foolishness, brothers and sisters! We may disagree about how best ecclesiastical authority should be organized, but we are all brothers and sisters in Christ! What has happened to us when we are labelling other disciples of Christ to be servants of the devil?
Besides, Christ said specifically among what people the Anti-Christ will find his home. When the Man of Sin comes, he will be lifted up not by the Roman Catholic Church as the Messiah, but by the Jews of Israel.
"I am come in my Father's name, and ye recieve me not; if another shall come in his own name, him ye shall recieve." John 5:43
This is pretty explicit. The Son of Perdition will not be the Catholic Pope but the Man whom Israel lifts up as their Messiah.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 5/21/2006 7:43:20 AM
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Anyway.....the seven heads are the seven continents indicating a global kingdom.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 5/21/2006 8:49:54 AM
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TheProfessor
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Ben-T
The idea that someone could proclaim that Christ was God and yet be of Hell is so disgustingly offensive and illogical as to make me wretch.
If Protestants can say that the Roman Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon, why shouldn't Catholic say that the Protestant churches are the same? This is foolishness, brothers and sisters! We may disagree about how best ecclesiastical authority should be organized, but we are all brothers and sisters in Christ! What has happened to us when we are labelling other disciples of Christ to be servants of the devil?
Besides, Christ said specifically among what people the Anti-Christ will find his home. When the Man of Sin comes, he will be lifted up not by the Roman Catholic Church as the Messiah, but by the Jews of Israel.
"I am come in my Father's name, and ye recieve me not; if another shall come in his own name, him ye shall recieve." John 5:43
This is pretty explicit. The Son of Perdition will not be the Catholic Pope but the Man whom Israel lifts up as their Messiah.
That's the problem with the teaching. One should always follow a teaching back to it's origin.
This teaching came from Protestants. Enough said. It came into existence after the splitting of the church.
How convenient. (No, I'm not Catholic.)
(And another interesting thing about the "son of perdition".)
Perdition isn't a person and doesn't have children.
"Man of sin" is better translated - "human sin".
"Son of perdition" is better translated - "result of ruin".
And so when you see humanity exalting themselves above God - there is your 'antichrist'.
Remember there are many.
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