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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 8/7/2008 4:02:20 PM
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solo_soprano22
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I know my ex bro-in-law (man, now becoming a woman) always had those tendencies, but he pushed those aside and got marreid/had a child with my sister anyway. We told her we thought that something wasn't right-- wrong enough to not go through with it, but she went on her way. They divorced (the sex change part is bad, but there were some other things also...like him being in a cult), and now my nephew is confused. He didn't abandon my sis and nephew, but he should have considered those feelings before he decided to marry and bring children into the world. But people do what they want to do. I don't expect humans to always act right.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 8/8/2008 10:13:14 AM
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davemiller7
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That's truly a shame and thanx for sharing. I'll probably never understand why people who are having doubts about their sexuality go ahead, get married and have children, then decide they can't deal with the life they chose. It's the innocents that get hurt in the end.
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I know my ex bro-in-law (man, now becoming a woman) always had those tendencies, but he pushed those aside and got marreid/had a child with my sister anyway. We told her we thought that something wasn't right-- wrong enough to not go through with it, but she went on her way. They divorced (the sex change part is bad, but there were some other things also...like him being in a cult), and now my nephew is confused. He didn't abandon my sis and nephew, but he should have considered those feelings before he decided to marry and bring children into the world. But people do what they want to do. I don't expect humans to always act right.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 8/8/2008 7:13:47 PM
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GeorgiaNerd
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That's truly a shame and thanx for sharing. I'll probably never understand why people who are having doubts about their sexuality go ahead, get married and have children, then decide they can't deal with the life they chose. It's the innocents that get hurt in the end.
Heterosexual marriage is highly encouraged in the ex-LGBT ministries, though the full blame certainly doesn't lie there. LGBT people are often wrongly told, or simply believe, that heterosexual marriage or the "right man/woman" will "cure" them. Often, the focus is on the cure, not on the possible eventual pain or failure. All of the parties involved are hurt when/if the predicted "change" does not happen. Though this article from Exodus doesn't mention marriage as a cure, it is certainly alarming considering the abysmal success rate of its ministries. The article is specifically about homosexual men, but they use similar methods for all LGBT (SSA, homosexuals, and transgender/sexual) individuals.
Here is the most alarming part:
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Exodus International- When You Get Married
3. Sexual attractions. At the point at which you marry, it is most likely that your primary general sexual attractions will be to the same sex rather than to the opposite sex. Receive this in the context of what was said earlier about our need to be reprogrammed in our sexuality, a reprogramming that, for the Christian, can hardly take place outside of marriage. Receive it also in the context of what follows about "the woman."
At least they get a few points for wanting the man to be honest about the SSA.
Sorry about being slightly off-topic, but they didn't have a specific transgender article.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 8/13/2008 11:42:28 AM
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solo_soprano22
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I saw a few women on Medical Mysteries last night who had AIS...although I don't think it's so mysterious anymore, I think things like that are needed so that people know they exist in the world.
(I don't think the women need to be lied to however.)
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 8/15/2008 3:19:16 PM
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davemiller7
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Help! What's AIS? I forgot.
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ORIGINAL: solo_soprano22
I saw a few women on Medical Mysteries last night who had AIS...although I don't think it's so mysterious anymore, I think things like that are needed so that people know they exist in the world.
(I don't think the women need to be lied to however.)
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 8/15/2008 6:56:32 PM
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solo_soprano22
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Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. It has another name, but I can't recall what it is (I think there are several). I think on the program, they just said AIS. It comes on ABC...but not regularly. The show just started coming back on.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 9/20/2008 12:10:30 PM
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dormouse
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I think there is a small difference between transgenderism and cross dressing.
Transgender can be a legitimate variation in birth.
All children begin their gestational journey with the basic tubal configuration for both male and female reproductive organs.
In the male, the testes differentating gene causes the male reproductive tract to continue forming while the female tract is reabsorbed by the body. If there is no TDG, then the child becomes a female. Sometimes, due to environmental conditions and hormones, the male and female tracts both partially form, creating an intersexed variation.
This is the same process which occurs with gender identity. There is a reagion near the hypothalamus called the BNST. This region is the center of gender identity. In males, this region is dense with neuro-links. These links are caused by the testes in the forming male. The testes, producing testosterone form a hormone called estradiol. Estradiol links with estrogen receptors in the BNST area of the brain, causing typical male gender orientation. This process must occur in a relatively small window, and the hormone and estrogen receptors must all be present in sufficient number.
Females have a less dense BNST area because there is less estradiol causing neuro-links. However, during the 60s and 70s, pregnant women were given a medication called DES, which was a synthetic form of estrogen. Many genetic females whose mothers took DES while pregnant during the critical time, identify as males.
In males, late onset of testosterone, insufficient amounts of testosterone or insufficient numbers of estrogen receptors can cause a male to identify as female. In fact, clearly there can be a sliding scale created between hyper masculine and hyper feminine on which every person falls. It oly becomes noticeable when a person exhibits non typical behaviour. Also, it would seem logical that since all children are genetically programmed to be female without the testes gene, that the chance of a gender dysphoric males is more likely than a gender dysphoric female.
All this said,....a male dressing as a female and desiring SRS and HRT, may truly be a female in his mind. Yet, the Bible does seem to frown upon cross dressing. So, my question is how can I reconcile my transgender feelings with my love and belief in Christ?
Okay, my situation is different than the biological variation,...though that may come into play. It is believed that my siblings and I were sexually abused, and therefore I do not identify with males or male activity.
Please see my post:
http://forums.crosswalk.com/Tg_and_Christianity/m_3824414/mpage_1/tm.htm#0
Thanks so much. Please, someone help me understand. I will read the rest of these posts.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 10/15/2008 12:45:36 PM
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terryjohn
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It is problematic in that the wearing of certian clothes is all about satisfying the desires of the flesh. Instead of resisting the temptations of the flesh, we have some say it is okay and in stead of dressing in sack cloth and ashes, we proudly encourage one another to do as they please as if possessed with some spirit of lawlessness.
Paul gives us a picture of taming the flesh that it should not be responsible for our failing to reach the goal of knowing Christ or finishing the race set before us. Now clothes are nothing but some have made it something to their own detrament. All sensual adornments are of the flesh and death, for that which we seek is not attained through the satisfying of the flesh's desires. That we should be asked to deny ourselves and take up our crosses to follow Christ does not and will never sit well with many of those who do not know Christ. For those who do, it is nothing to sacrifice the desires of the flesh for the love of God.
One man says he has to wear women's clothes and another says he has to wear sake cloth and ashes, one has his mind set on Christ. One says, "I have got to be me", and the other says, " the last thing I have got to be is me". In one frame of mind there is life and in the other there is death.
If the flesh should stop us from giving to God what God seeks than the flesh should be dealt with. For as Christ says Mt 5:30 - And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
Why please the flesh when the kingdom to come is not dependant on our satisfying it but actually putting if off. For the kingdom of God is not inherited by flesh and blood. There is nothing in scripture to indicate that submitting to the desires of the flesh will save us. Don't fed that which is perishing.
There are real dangers for us in encouraging others to cave in to their sensual desires. Mt 18:7 - "Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come!
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