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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 3/1/2008 7:09:34 PM
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HomeSpunLady
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At what points during the day do you not wear it? I mean, I guess a wool hat would be a covering, would you take the covering off if you were going outside to play in the snow with the kids and was wearing a wool hat? Or any hat? I mean, obviously not during a shower, but to bed??
Oh and do you have women around you that do it? Or are you the only one?
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 3/1/2008 9:46:38 PM
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I put it on in the morning when I get dressed. It stays on until I go to bed. When I go outside with the kids...I wear it under my hat (granted I wear a lace doily style one most of the time).
I don't wear one to sleep in.
If I forget, I am not afraid that God "will get me"...I just generally feel very naked without it...and I mean literally "naked".
If I am ill, I will not often wear one, simply because the constant laying down, etc causes it to pull and add the misery.....
oh..and I have somehow never remembered to wear one during childbirth...lol...
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 3/2/2008 8:19:30 AM
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HomeSpunLady
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In my research (meaning, I don't want to debate yes or no, just discuss this and find thoughts on it, LOL!) I found 1 Cor 11:10 "For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head." This was most clear to me. I mean, come on, how much more clearer can it be? I found it interesting, when the scriptures talked about dishonoring her head, I thought the head was her actual head, come to find out, through reading of other versions, it's her husband!! Wow!
When I talked further with hubby he said he is not opposed to it, he just wants to be sure of my motivation. He can't say yes or no, because he has never really had to deal with this. Our churches don't teach it and we aren't in circles that teach it. But he is willing to hear what I find out and we decide together. So he is not for or against it, he just doesn't know either way.
And it seems to me that this 'head covering' could be anything. A hat, scarf, wide head band, a doily, whatever. I take this because of the verse that says a sign or some say a symbol. That's my research so far.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 3/2/2008 10:24:36 AM
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oh..and I have somehow never remembered to wear one during childbirth...lol...
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For me, I'm still not sure. My estranged husband was against it. However, he now lives 1500 miles away, so I am thinking that it is not up to him anymore. But I'm not sure as he is still legally my husband.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 3/2/2008 1:39:46 PM
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I am still in prayer over this, as well. I like how it is paraphrased in The Message:
1 Corinthians 11: 1-9
To Honor God
1-2It pleases me that you continue to remember and honor me by keeping up the traditions of the faith I taught you. All actual authority stems from Christ. 3-9In a marriage relationship, there is authority from Christ to husband, and from husband to wife. The authority of Christ is the authority of God. Any man who speaks with God or about God in a way that shows a lack of respect for the authority of Christ, dishonors Christ. In the same way, a wife who speaks with God in a way that shows a lack of respect for the authority of her husband, dishonors her husband. Worse, she dishonors herself—an ugly sight, like a woman with her head shaved. This is basically the origin of these customs we have of women wearing head coverings in worship, while men take their hats off. By these symbolic acts, men and women, who far too often butt heads with each other, submit their "heads" to the Head: God.
I haven't spoken about this specifically with my dh, as he isn't yet a believer, but my studies are leading me to see that I, as a believing wife, must be obedient to the Word, even if Dave does not yet know it.
My struggle is with how I allow Dave to perceive my wearing a head covering. Is it doing dishonor to Christ and to him if I let him think I am simply using it to keep my hair back, or for a fashion statement? I'm not talking about telling him that, but simply letting him think it instead of enlightening him to the truth? This I am taking to prayer.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 3/2/2008 4:46:28 PM
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And it seems to me that this 'head covering' could be anything. A hat, scarf, wide head band, a doily, whatever. I take this because of the verse that says a sign or some say a symbol.
It definitely could be anything. I wear fashion scarves wrapped around the top of my head with the ends wrapped around my hair in a bun.
The other women at my church wear hats. Some women wear a smaller hat that covers the crown of their head, others wear ones with wide brim. There are so many different ways to cover, so long as when we do so we are recognizing our role and place as women.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 3/3/2008 7:36:24 AM
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Something that would help me is, to the women who cover and the men whose wives cover, why do you/they do it? It is voluntary, or do hubbies require it? My husband does not reqire it. It is fully voluntary and fully my own conviction. My husband supports me in it, and will let me know if I have left it on to go to bed, or if it has fallen off or I've forgotten it....
Do you require your daughters to cover? Is it a matter of personal convictions for minor children? What age should a female cover?
What age did you personally cover?
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 3/3/2008 9:54:16 PM
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I sent you a pm Mama, but I'll post here too
When I first started covering, I thought I looked terribly dowdy. I even rebelled and 'forgot' to cover some days, so I could be 'cute'
But, God really spoke to me, and I think you are right on with your thoughts...being obedient to the Lord can often make us 'unattractive' in the world's eyes...but God is a wonderful beautifier...and now that I've given it to Him and simply obeyed with covering my head...I love it! I love the way I feel, and look, and my husband hasn't stopped telling me how lovely and womanly he thinks I am.
Sandy
I felt the same way. When I was convicted to cover, it was hard at first, but I liked it. I only did it for church though, at first. Now, I cover every day. I know some of my posts in the past were a little crude, and I apolagize for any hurt I did to anyone. But I still feel, if a woman is convicted, that she sould do it. The Word of God does not change.
I am not as zealous as I was before (meaning, condemning people to hell). I guess I learned!
But this is nice that I can finally relate to some people now.
Your sister in Christ Jesus,
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 3/4/2008 3:42:07 PM
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Do you require your daughters to cover? Is it a matter of personal convictions for minor children? What age should a female cover?
What age did you personally cover?
I started covering when I was 23 after I was baptised (I've been covering for 3 years now). I won't require my daughter to cover unless she has been baptised, then I would ask that she cover in church, and leave it up to her whether she covers otherwise. Because we are a church that everyone covers, I see it being a fair compromise.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2008 9:45:34 PM
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W.O.F.
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Something that would help me is, to the women who cover and the men whose wives cover, why do you/they do it? It is voluntary, or do hubbies require it? My husband does not reqire it. It is fully voluntary and fully my own conviction. My husband supports me in it, and will let me know if I have left it on to go to bed, or if it has fallen off or I've forgotten it....
Do you require your daughters to cover? Is it a matter of personal convictions for minor children? What age should a female cover?
What age did you personally cover?
No, I do not require my daughters to cover. I firmly believe that it is a decision they must make for themselves based on the passage in I Cor..."decide for yourselves"....They have been taught the whys, wherefores, etc of it. I leave it between themselves and God to decide if they are called to cover or not. My oldest daughter is 17, and very sensitive to the Lord and His leading, so I KNOW that if she felt convicted in that area, she would obey.
I started covering seriously when I was 32. I had "dabbled" with it since my teens, but in my 30's I decided I needed to make up my mind one way or the other and really sought out the Scripture as well as asking to Lord for His direction for me.
I believe that IF a female is convicted to cover...she should do so no matter what her age. It is ackward when one is older and more established as a non-coverer I think.
I have known girls as young as 12 decide to cover...and they knew what it meant and I have known women as old as 65 start to cover.
It is as individual as we as women are....
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 3/6/2008 6:11:35 PM
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Hi ladies! 
I have read this entire thread. While I am still in study and prayer, deciding for myself on whether I am being called to cover, I wanted to ask those of you that do cover this:
I got one of my husband's bandanas and tied it on my head and just looked in the mirror. My 1st thought was, boy are you unattractive. And then I got a little jolt. Is that the point? Dying to my own desire to be attractive to the world and desiring instead to be obedient to God?
Note: I am NOT asserting that any of you are unattractive, I am just sharing my honest first reaction to my reflection.
I was kinda thinking about what you said, and I forgot to respond. When I cover my head, my already chubby face looks even rounder. But, if you put on some dangly earrings and take good care of your skin, then it's not so much. Plus, if you use a prettier head covering, that helps too.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 3/6/2008 6:20:26 PM
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My struggle is with how I allow Dave to perceive my wearing a head covering. Is it doing dishonor to Christ and to him if I let him think I am simply using it to keep my hair back, or for a fashion statement? I'm not talking about telling him that, but simply letting him think it instead of enlightening him to the truth? This I am taking to prayer.
It's been like a month since I've been covering (with bandanas). My hubby is also an unbeliever. He hasn't said anything, and neither have I. When Sandy sends me the nicer head coverings, I'm sure he'll say something. But, I'm assuming he thinks I'm tired of my dandruff or my brown roots growing out. I dyed it red a few months ago, so it looks pretty white trash right now. If he asks, of course I'll tell him the truth. I don't see it is lying by ommition either. I'm pretty good at feeling guilty when I'm doing wrong, and I don't feel that.
I'm going to dye my hair one last time though. But, this time I'm dying it my natural color, brown. Mostly just for hubby's sake though, since he's the only one who sees me without the bandana.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 8/17/2008 7:06:09 AM
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To Exegetist from 8/07. I've just recently found this forum and am curious about a statement you made a while back.
Your comment - "The idea of headcoverings as religious symbols was only in vogue a very short time in history until the Amish, Quakers and a few others like them, took it up and kept them in their traditions even to today."
I've never read anything that suggests the Amish and Quakers took up these symbols for their own after being done away with by society. What are you calling a 'short time in history' that headcoverings were in vogue? Do you have historical backing for this statement?
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 8/18/2008 2:12:52 AM
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I have recently taken to wearing a very pretty shawl that my step-mom gave me. It's very thin and beige. I wear it only when praying, Bible reading and quiet time with the Lord for now. I may start wearing it more often if I feel led to do so.
I've starting running into a lady who is a Christian woman from Iran. She and I were talking a few weeks ago. She wears very modern "American" clothes and a head covering. She said that she tried to go with out the covering when she became a Christian (about 25 years ago and after moving to the States), but it just didn't feel right to her. She did tell me that she honestly feels that as long as a woman is dressed modestly that she should only wear what she feels the Lord would lead her to wear, including whether or not to cover her head.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 8/21/2008 9:26:09 PM
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I have recently taken to wearing a very pretty shawl that my step-mom gave me. It's very thin and beige. I wear it only when praying, Bible reading and quiet time with the Lord for now. I may start wearing it more often if I feel led to do so.
I've starting running into a lady who is a Christian woman from Iran. She and I were talking a few weeks ago. She wears very modern "American" clothes and a head covering. She said that she tried to go with out the covering when she became a Christian (about 25 years ago and after moving to the States), but it just didn't feel right to her. She did tell me that she honestly feels that as long as a woman is dressed modestly that she should only wear what she feels the Lord would lead her to wear, including whether or not to cover her head.
which is of course biblical..."Decide for yourselves" and the commands to dress modestly....
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 8/27/2008 7:59:07 PM
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At the church where I was saved, it was taught that if a woman wanted to "share" something in the open worship time at the morning service, she needed to cover her head. So I started wearing a headscarf to church in case the Lord led me to say something. I did it for a while, then realised that I was only doing it because the church said I was supposed to, rather than being something I was convicted about. Round about that same time too one of the elders died - he was the last one of the group who believed in women covering their heads, so the practice died out.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 8/28/2008 11:49:05 AM
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Most of my mom's family were Mennonite. I know that to 'cover' is scriptural, and so is 'being a peculiar people', or different, not worldly. The German Baptists also cover, as do some Nazarene women, and some Holiness congregations. Most of the folks who do cover, are gentle devout people who love the Lord, and live lives in obedience to the scriptures. One of the big differences between these folks and some of the more well known people who cover, is that these people do what they feel is right for them. They leave what you do to your own conscience and to your own relationship with God. They do nothing to impose their will on others. If you ask they will share, but the asking would be up to you.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 8/30/2008 12:19:44 PM
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I scanned through the replies, and did not find anything that touched on some issues that I have with the passage, which is below from the New King James Version.
1 Corinthians 11
1Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
Propriety in Worship
2I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings, just as I passed them on to you.
3Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. 6If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. 7A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head.
11In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. 12For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God. 13Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. 16If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God.
So, here are my problems:
- First, this is the ONLY passage in the NT that dictates a specific article of clothing. This made me suspicious.
- The Greek word for covering in vs6 is intensive leading one to believe that all the hair must be covered.
- vs 10 is simply strange, and most explanations seem stretched.
- vs 14 makes no sense at all considering the OT Nazirite vow, and the fact that Paul was taking this vow (read: had long hair) at the time of writing this.
- vs 16 seems to say "But hey! Don't like this? Don't worry! The other churches don't do this either!"
This left me puzzled as I like to know what a passage is trying to say, and this passage seemed to be written in a way to make it an issue of contention. This article: http://williamwelty.com/william/docs/essays/rethinking_the_veil.pdf
and this translation (ISV) gave me new insights to the issues.
Be Imitators of Me
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1Be imitators of me, as I am of the Messiah. 2I praise you for remembering me in everything and for carefully follow¬ing the traditions, just as I passed them on to you.
Advice about Uncovering the Head in Worship
3Now I want you to realize that the Messiah is the head of every man, and man is the head of the woman, and God is the head of the Messiah. 4Every man who prays or prophesies with something on his head dishonors his head, 5and every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, which is the same as having her head shaved. 6So if a woman does not cover her head, she should cut off her hair. If it is a disgrace for a woman to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her own head.
7A man should not cover his own head, because he exists as God's image and glory. But the woman is man's glory. 8For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9and man was not created for woman, but woman for man. 10This is why a woman should have authority over her own head: because of the angels. 11In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man of woman. 12For as woman came from man, so man comes through woman. But everything comes from God. 13Decide for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14Nature itself teaches you neither that it is disgraceful for a man to have long hair 15nor that hair is a woman's glory, for hair is given as a substitute for coverings. 16But if anyone wants to argue about this, we do not have any custom like this, nor do any of God's churches.
I have concluded that the passage was written to deal with Jewish believers in the church. Men are instructed not to wear head coverings, while women must realize what it might look like to an unbelieving Jewish husband. If both are in the Lord, the issue becomes moot. This seemed to me to be more in line with the passages others have quoted about our outward appearances.
Hello Ganthet,
I do know where your suspicions are coming from, but this verse sums it up very nicely.
1 Corinthians 11
8For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head. (NKJV)
When a woman wears the head covering, she is confessing what her role is in the order of creation. The head covering is a symbol of submission. That's why the Apostle Paul suggested the practice.
And think about it, women, since the early church down to after Vatican II, had no issue with covering their head. It was an unquestioned practice. For whatever reason, Vatican II had an impact on the women's head covering for both Catholics and Protestants. It liberalized the whole church. Now, though, we are starting to see a move in the direction of covering again. More and more women want to actually take up the practice again for what it symbolizes.
Your sister in Christ Jesus,
Jessica
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(To God Alone be the Glory)
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 10/9/2008 3:50:19 PM
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Here's something I don't "get".
If some women cover their heads because they are wanting to cover their "glory", what is the point of then wearing something that is pretty and eye-catching, and liable to attract even more attention than their hair likely would have? I know some wear plain headcoverings, but some don't, and there is even a thread on this forum where, amongst other things, some of the women compare notes on the sorts of headcovering they each wear, colours, patterns.
It's not a big deal to me, it just seems strange to me, like it defeats the object.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 10/9/2008 4:01:57 PM
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I do agree that some head coverings do seem to draw more attention to the woman wearing them and it makes me wonder how that can be considered humble?
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I did have one older woman approach me and asked if my covering was because of the Bible--she remembered her grandmother bringing lace doilies to church to cover with. 
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