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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 5/28/2008 2:28:49 PM
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RichLP
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Scott McClellan denounces Bush in his book.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 5/28/2008 4:32:53 PM
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Wow, a tell-all book trashing a president, written by a disgruntled former staffer........I don't buy tripe like this even if it's bashing somebody I don't like....
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 5/28/2008 4:58:35 PM
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RichLP
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Wow, a tell-all book trashing a president, written by a disgruntled former staffer........I don't buy tripe like this even if it's bashing somebody I don't like....
Do you react this way because you're a Bush supporter or because you have evidence that the claims in McClellan's book are false, fabricated, or otherwise unworthy of serious examination?
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 5/28/2008 5:08:11 PM
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I react this way because one: I don't buy the claims of ANYBODY who stabs former associates in the back like this, from either side, and two, for Scott to have stayed with the President for as long as he did, knowing the things he supposedly knew, strikes me as just a tad on the odd side.
If you're wondering, I don't care much for people like Dick Morris either.....
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 5/28/2008 5:12:33 PM
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RichLP
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I react this way because one: I don't buy the claims of ANYBODY who stabs former associates in the back like this, from either side, and two, for Scott to have stayed with the President for as long as he did, knowing the things he supposedly knew, strikes me as just a tad on the odd side.
If you're wondering, I don't care much for people like Dick Morris either.....
I don't see this as a simple case of betraying former associates. We have seen former senior-ranking military officers retire and then condemn the Bush administration for some of its Iraq policies.
He MAY have learned as he went along, and perhaps he is being opportunistic. But in the end, his claims should be examined; as he was in the WH, he would have had a close angle to look at what was happening, as he was the WH press secretary.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 5/28/2008 5:23:08 PM
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According to those that have read the book (it isn't even out yet), he details accusations against Bush going back to his time in the governor's office.
So why did Scott McCleean stay if he saw all these wrongdoings? Why not be a man and speak up then?
Sorry, it just appears to be another case of sour grapes to me.
I will freely criticize the Bush Administration when it needs it....I don't need some hacked off former flunkie to do it for me....
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 5/28/2008 10:01:16 PM
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ORIGINAL: tafkam
I react this way because one: I don't buy the claims of ANYBODY who stabs former associates in the back like this, from either side, and two, for Scott to have stayed with the President for as long as he did, knowing the things he supposedly knew, strikes me as just a tad on the odd side.
If you're wondering, I don't care much for people like Dick Morris either.....
I don't see this as a simple case of betraying former associates. We have seen former senior-ranking military officers retire and then condemn the Bush administration for some of its Iraq policies.
He MAY have learned as he went along, and perhaps he is being opportunistic. But in the end, his claims should be examined; as he was in the WH, he would have had a close angle to look at what was happening, as he was the WH press secretary.
The point is that while he was in the WH he was part of the administration. His job was not just to look and observe but to take part. If he did not voice his "objections"and concerns then, why then should we blindly accept what he has to say now?
"Tell all books" are nothing more than opinions. One person's side of the story. It does not possess all the facts. It does not prove anything, especially when all it says just gives more fuel to the same old tired accusations.
"Tell all books" by former members of an administration, who are believed to have had "objections" and concerns about that administration, have a ready made market of readers, and customers for their books. That alone should raise questions about the accuracy and motivations for writing such a book.
If you use the barometer of greed, self interest, and self promotion to continuously judge the actions and decisions of a person, and industry, or an administration; it is only right that you use that same barometer to judge those who write "tell all books" that reinforce your views of the person, industry, and administration in question.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 5/29/2008 10:43:11 AM
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Thanks, Roger....
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 5/29/2008 11:29:52 AM
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I react this way because one: I don't buy the claims of ANYBODY who stabs former associates in the back like this, from either side, and two, for Scott to have stayed with the President for as long as he did, knowing the things he supposedly knew, strikes me as just a tad on the odd side.
If you're wondering, I don't care much for people like Dick Morris either.....
I don't see this as a simple case of betraying former associates. We have seen former senior-ranking military officers retire and then condemn the Bush administration for some of its Iraq policies.
He MAY have learned as he went along, and perhaps he is being opportunistic. But in the end, his claims should be examined; as he was in the WH, he would have had a close angle to look at what was happening, as he was the WH press secretary.
The point is that while he was in the WH he was part of the administration. His job was not just to look and observe but to take part. If he did not voice his "objections"and concerns then, why then should we blindly accept what he has to say now?
"Tell all books" are nothing more than opinions. One person's side of the story. It does not possess all the facts. It does not prove anything, especially when all it says just gives more fuel to the same old tired accusations.
"Tell all books" by former members of an administration, who are believed to have had "objections" and concerns about that administration, have a ready made market of readers, and customers for their books. That alone should raise questions about the accuracy and motivations for writing such a book.
If you use the barometer of greed, self interest, and self promotion to continuously judge the actions and decisions of a person, and industry, or an administration; it is only right that you use that same barometer to judge those who write "tell all books" that reinforce your views of the person, industry, and administration in question.
Believe it or not there are reasons why someone would stay in the job and not speak up. McClellan was a long time friend of President Bush, he may have stayed quiet in the hopes that the President would wake up and realize what was going on, assuming what he wrote was true. If that's the case then I can sympathize with his reasoning, and in all honesty I can't say for sure what I would do in a similair circumstance. Friendship can make you do some strange things from time to time.
I'm not sure that any of this is the case but it is a possibility.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 5/29/2008 11:59:11 AM
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Wow, a tell-all book trashing a president, written by a disgruntled former staffer........I don't buy tripe like this even if it's bashing somebody I don't like....
So, what should he do with the informationhe has. Should the public be shielded as in the "good old days"?
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 5/29/2008 4:15:31 PM
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Personally, if I were working in someone's office who was involved in querstionable activities, I would NOT hang around to see how it played out. McClellan not only hung around, but he did so for the better part of TWO DECADES.
Sorry, cow, I'm still not buying it, anymore than I buy into the trashing of the Clintons by Dick Morris.....
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 6/2/2008 12:18:58 PM
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I just read this today and thought it was funny. The White House is slamming the climate change bill in the Senate and here is why:
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"As you can imagine, our opposition to this will be quite strong and we'll be making these points throughout the week," Keith Hennessey, director of President George W. Bush's National Economic Council, said at a White House forum on the economy and taxes.
U.S. gross domestic product could be reduced by as much as 7 percent in the year 2050 and gasoline prices -- already at record highs in the United States-- could soar by as much as 53 cents a gallon by 2030, he said.
Fifty three cents a gallon by 2030? Soar as much as fifty three cents a gallon? If gas doesn't go up that much before July 4 of this year I'll be thrilled. If it doesn't go up another $1.03 by Labor Day I'll be ecstatic! Gas has shot up over $.80 cents a gallon since the first week of March but oh boy - good old Dubya will get worked up over to what amounts to < $.013 a YEAR over the next 42 years. That is funny.
Good to know the administration is so in touch with reality.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080602/pl_nm/climate_usa_bush_dc_2
I don't care too much about the bill I'm just commenting on their criticism of it. It's really pathetic.
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Quick, someone tell Dubya! - 6/8/2008 8:44:33 AM
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That $4 a gallon gas he didn't believe would happen is here:
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Gasoline rose to a milestone mark Sunday as the national average compiled by motorist group AAA reached $4 a gallon for the first time.
The national average for regular unleaded rose 1.7 cents to $4.005, according the daily measure on the group's Web site. That surpassed the previous record of $3.989 set Thursday.
The milestone was expected after a surge in crude oil prices added more than $16 to a barrel of oil over the last 2 trading days. Crude settled at a record $138.54 a barrel Friday, up by $10.75, after setting an all-time intraday high of $139.12.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/08/news/economy/gas_prices/index.htm?cnn=yes
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 6/10/2008 8:46:11 PM
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I react this way because one: I don't buy the claims of ANYBODY who stabs former associates in the back like this, from either side, and two, for Scott to have stayed with the President for as long as he did, knowing the things he supposedly knew, strikes me as just a tad on the odd side.
When I see someone stab someone in the back, I first have to wonder why that happened. If the person doing the stabbing was a nasty guy, I can write that off. But I don't think that was the case.
When I read the book, McClellan never held anything against Bush. His only claim was that Bush deceived himself- just like he admits to doing. So I don't see the book as an attack- rather, it seems to be a warning against self-deception.
I'd at least encourage you to take a look at it. If he was out for revenge, the book would read much differently. If he was stabbing President Bush in the back, he would have framed him in a light that was worse than an occasional mistake-making human.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2008 6:24:12 AM
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Bush is still president? How many days left till it's over. Been a long 8 years.................
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 6/25/2008 7:41:17 PM
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All Presidents have unpopular issues but as our President was praying it makes me wonder if maybe God has Iraqies that he wants to reach with our soldiers?
My son works for a company overseas and has traveld much. He does say that the big cities in many foreign countries to have much appeal yet when he travels to the outer regions he says we should all say, every day, "God Bless America"
You never get to see these areas due to propoganda.
I am often dissapointed with the way our politicians try and rule yet the Bible tells us that God has put the leaders in these positions and we are to pray for them' I
If it says so in His Word it is good enought for me.
God Bless all
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 6/26/2008 2:41:17 PM
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http://hnn.us/articles/48916.html
History has decided Bush's fate... at least according to these guys.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/2/2008 4:30:59 PM
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Bush is still president? How many days left till it's over. Been a long 8 years.................
What, are you looking forward to the terrorist attacks that will be coming to our shores when Barak Hussein Obama is elected?
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/2/2008 4:48:04 PM
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Bush is still president? How many days left till it's over. Been a long 8 years.................
What, are you looking forward to the terrorist attacks that will be coming to our shores when Barak Hussein Obama is elected?
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That statement is so bigoted, I'm not sure where to begin.... 
Not that I like Obama at all, but it seems the bigots like to emphasize his middle name too much.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/2/2008 8:14:49 PM
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What's so bigoted about quoting a man's middle name?
And given Obama's clearly evident pacifism when it comes to matters of national security, I'm quite sure the terrorists will be throwing parties in the street if he is elected....
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/2/2008 8:21:58 PM
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And given Obama's clearly evident pacifism when it comes to matters of national security, I'm quite sure the terrorists will be throwing parties in the street if he is elected....
They'll probably weep, fast and mourn because they can't go to Iraq to kill Americans. They'll have to go halfway across the world to Mexico and get in that way. Right now it is estimated that over 75% of all suicide bombers are not Iraqi but foreigners and some say it is closer to 90%.
Of course 45% of them are Saudis anyway and I'm sure Dubya will let them in and take them to their targets on Air Force One since him and King Abdullah are so close. ; )
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/3/2008 9:52:25 AM
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My point was that all the extreme right (including Christian) commentators and such always emphasize Obama's middle name as if it's supposed to mean something. That strategy is to paint fear into the hearts of people about electing him by pointing out the middle name, which is traditionally a Muslim name. I've seen some go so far as to paint him as a gay Muslim racist. It's silly and needs to stop.
Whether or not he's a Muslim or has a middle name of Hussein shouldn't matter in this country. So what?
What are his stances on the issues? Abortion? He's extreme left. I won't vote for him for that reason alone. McCain has a spotty record on abortion. I also believe that McCain would be a third Bush in the White House.
That's just as scary a thought as Obama in the White House. We don't need another Bush.
We need someone real.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/3/2008 10:01:27 AM
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Actually, McCain has a pretty solid pro-life record....that alone stands him head and shoulders over Obama....
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