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ORIGINAL: car2ner

Lapidoth, if you passed out the Pit Of Hell Candy I think you'd become the most popular house on the block! Kids would be daring each other to try it.

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ORIGINAL: LBolt

I do agree, to deliberately offend is wrong. Flat out! But, I think we tend to be thin-skinned and easily offended. I've seen this alot of times. I wonder sometime, if Christ were here in the flesh like His was 2000 years ago, how many people (religious leaders) would receive His message? I really do wonder. He was very direct and could easily be construed as mean. Like I said before, calling someone a hypocrite, white-walled, that they were of their father the devil...would probably not go over to well.

I haven't read any post as of yet that's gotten anywhere near what has been stated before. We are to love the person who is in error while confront the error in the person. But to maliciously and arrogantly present facts in a "holier than thou attitude" is wrong. Yes there is error in Messianic circles that needs to be confronted, I'm beginning to read of it and hear it. I don't like the whole "Jews keep the Torah and gentiles keep the Noachide laws" teaching. This is error, imho, and needs to be confronted. I think it teached elitism and separation. I've heard some say that we can have multiple wives! This is crazy to me. It needs to confronted. Can you imagine a non-Jew (who can read and speak Hebrew) not given the opportunity to read from the Torah scroll because he's not Jewish? This is appalling!! It should be appropiately addressed.

So yes, no one has it all together, we all are "to' up from the flo' up" in various areas in our lives. We all need a good bath in the Word of Elohim. Even Yahshua had to correct John the Baptist...but it still did not negate the significance and importance of his message. Which rubbed a lot of folks raw!

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no one has it all together

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ORIGINAL: Kerrlaw

We got our first Christmas catalog last Thursday.

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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth

Has anyone ever wondered just "what is Jesus' birthday?"
And would it make any difference if you knew?
Or, would we continue to celebrate Tammuz?

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In the Hebrew Scriptures, Sukkot is called:

* “The Feast of Tabernacles (or Booths) ” (Lev. 23:34; Deut. 16:13-16; 31:10; Zech. 14:16-19; Ezra 3:4; 2 Chron. 8:13)
* “The Feast of Ingathering” (Ex. 23:16, 34:22)
* “The Feast” or “the festival” (1 Kings 8:2, 8:65; 12:32; 2 Chron. 5:3; 7:8)
* “The Feast of the Lord” (Lev. 23:39; Judges 21:19)
* “The festival of the seventh month” (Ezek. 45:25; Neh. 8:14)
* “A holy convocation” or “a sacred occasion” (Num. 29:12)

In later Hebrew literature it is called “chag,” or "[the] festival."

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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth...It's Tishri 15. Always has been, always will be.

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Many of our modern Christmas traditions began hundreds of years before Christ was born. Some of these traditions date back more than 4000 years. The addition of Christ to the celebration of the winter solstice did not occur until 300 years after Christ died and as late as 1800, some devout Christian sects, like the Puritans, forbade their members from celebrating Christmas because it was considered a pagan holiday. So what is the history behind these traditions?

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ORIGINAL: restinginHim

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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth...It's Tishri 15. Always has been, always will be.

i don't celebrate 12/25 and understand it is not Jesus' birthday. Could you please elaborate regarding Tishri 15... thanks.

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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth

It's Tishri 15. Always has been, always will be.

It just seems to change on the Gregorian calendar.
But Tishri is the same month it's always been.

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In the Hebrew Scriptures, Sukkot is called:

* “The Feast of Tabernacles (or Booths) ” (Lev. 23:34; Deut. 16:13-16; 31:10; Zech. 14:16-19; Ezra 3:4; 2 Chron. 8:13)
* “The Feast of Ingathering” (Ex. 23:16, 34:22)
* “The Feast” or “the festival” (1 Kings 8:2, 8:65; 12:32; 2 Chron. 5:3; 7:8)
* “The Feast of the Lord” (Lev. 23:39; Judges 21:19)
* “The festival of the seventh month” (Ezek. 45:25; Neh. 8:14)
* “A holy convocation” or “a sacred occasion” (Num. 29:12)

In later Hebrew literature it is called “chag,” or "[the] festival."

Wikipedia

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ORIGINAL: car2ner ... They would not see us as honoring Jesus but as weird religious nuts....

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ORIGINAL: car2ner ... but I personally have not heard from Him that I am dishonoring Him by celebrating Christmas the same time as my community. If someone feels lead to celebrate in some other fashion, do as God tells you to....

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.. that we should do as we feel we are being led by GOD to do.

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Luke tells us that Elizabeth was six months pregnant when the angel Gabriel visited Mary. The beginning of Elizabeth's sixth month would have been the celebration of the Jewish feast of Hanukkah, which occurs in December of our modern calendar. Hanukkah (Chanukkah) is known as the "Feast of the Dedication" (John 10:22) because it is connected with the dedication of the second Jewish temple and the rededication of the temple after the Maccabean revolt. Mary was being dedicated for a purpose of enormous magnitude: God's presence in an earthly temple, i.e. a human body (John 2:18-21).

If Mary did conceive on Hanukkah, John the Baptist would have been born three months later at Passover. And assuming a normal pregnancy of 285 days, Jesus would have been born on the 15th day of the Jewish month of Tishri (September 29 by modern reckoning). This is significant because it is the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot). It is a high day, a special Sabbath, a time of great rejoicing.

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According to the Companion Bible, Appendix 179:

The word tabernacled here receives beautiful significance from the knowledge that "the Lord of Glory" was "found in fashion as a man", and thus tabernacling in human flesh. And in turn it shows in equally beautiful significance that our Lord was born on the first day of the great Jewish Feast of Tabernacles, viz. the 15th of Tisri, corresponding to September 29 (modern reckoning).

The Circumcision of our Lord took place therefore on the eighth day, the last day of the Feast, the "Great Day of the Feast" of John 7.37 ("Tabernacles" had eight days. The Feast of Unleavened Bread had seven days, and Pentecost one. See Lev. 23).

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From The Seven Festivals of the Messiah by Eddie Chumney we read this:

As we have stated earlier in this chapter, the Feast of Sukkot (Tabernacles) is called "the season of our joy" and "the feast of the nations." With this in mind, in Luke 2:10 it is written, "And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings [basar in Hebrew; otherwise known as the gospel] of great joy [Sukkot is called the 'season of our joy'], which shall be to all people [Sukkot is called 'the feast of the nations']." So, we can see from this that the terminology the angel used to announce the birth of Yeshua (Jesus) were themes and messages associated with the Feast of Sukkot (Tabernacles).

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I am not suggesting that we please our neighbors over God, but I personally have not heard from Him that I am dishonoring Him by celebrating Christmas the same time as my community.

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ORIGINAL: car2ner

(((listening))) nope, You have been giving me food for thought, and I appreciate that. But I will still celebrate that "reason for the season" with my community. I am not convinced that God honors one day over another. Indeed, I try to honor the gifts He has given us all year and in December, hang pretty lights and get together with family.