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SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not?
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| Swimming with the opposite sex is sin |
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| Swimming in a swimsuit is sin..wear shorts & Tshirt |
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| You should be reading your Bible instead of swimming |
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| Okay for kids to swim, not teens or adults |
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| None of these are sinful |
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| Swimming nude is a sin |
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 5/28/2008 12:47:13 PM
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Solus
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How can you even think about swimming!? Much less with the opposite sex. If you do feel the urge to sin by swimming at least wear this http://www.wholesomewear.com/
Honestly people. This is a culture issue. Not a sin issue. In America it is appropriate to wear a swim suit. In some countries it is appropriate to swim nude. It doesn't matter. I think a lot of this is people showing off by "who can be the most modest". Get over yourselves.
According to the poll 79% of us feel the same way you do. So I guess we are 'over ourselves'. 
I was addressing the other 21%.
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 5/28/2008 1:18:53 PM
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After a considerable amount of inquiry into the Bible and into Christian philosophy regarding these types of issues, here are the rules I've created for myself:
1) If there's no specific Biblical law related to the issue, then it's up to the individual person to determine its sinfulness.
2) If you want to do it because it gratifies a sinful nature of your own, then it's sinful.
3) If you do it around anyone you *know* will have sinful thoughts because of your action, it's also sinful.
So, for instance with this line of argument:
Swimming is not specifically banned in the Bible. There are passages that refer to modesty that can be interpreted multiple ways, there are passages that refer to nakedness that can be interpreted multiple ways, there are passages referring to people being in the water (ie, for baptism) that may promote certain forms of water immersion (especially baptism, obviously), and there is the fairly clear equation that lust=sin that is very difficult to misinterpret (although many try!).
So, the individual person must examine swimming and determine if it violates any of those things: if you feel that it's immodest to be clothed in less than full plate body armor, then obviously swimming in less would be a sin, although swimming in more would not be and there are swimsuits made for that (see: burkini!). If you feel that it's immodest for women and men to be in mixed company for any reason at all, you have more issues to deal with, but obviously mixed swimming would be a sin regardless of how it's done. If you believe that nakedness is a sin then there would not be any time you should be naked in a pool around others. If, however, it's a lust issue, then you simply must avoid any kind of situation that would cause you to lust.
But let's say those things aren't true: let's say you feel it's possible to be modest when wearing a bikini (as one person said, she found one that was modest! I'm guessing it was Land's End). Let's say you're used to seeing people in their swim suits so rampant lust isn't something you have a problem with either. You might lust when you see someone particularly attractive in some way, but you feel you would lust regardless of how much of their body you were seeing, and thus you are completely convinced that swimming is not a sin.
Then it's not!
Of course, you'd better be completely convinced: if there's any doubt, then you're sinning.
Finally, take the example of the Bible Study + swim. We used to do this a lot when I was in high school, and it was mixed and, as a young teenage boy who had been raised in a very protected home, I certainly lusted over some of the girls in the Bible Study. Had I felt comfortable telling my youth group that I was struggling with that sin (and there's a whole 'nother issue with talking to your brothers and sisters in Christ about your sins), it would have been the responsibility of everyone there not to swim in or wear normally attire that would trigger my lustful desires. We are called upon to help each other through our sins, to become stronger, rather than to weaken each other.
What all of this means: Those of you who believe swimming in less than a burkini in mixed company is wrong: you're correct. Those of you who believe swimming nude in mixed company is fine: you're also correct.
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 5/30/2008 12:25:59 PM
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I put my speedos away at age 30. But I still keep them around in case I need to scare away Mormon missionaries.
Too Funny.... 
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 5/31/2008 4:04:21 PM
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I was a nerd at the Ocean side in Jeans day before yesterday. I forgot suit, and do not feel good in swim suits anyway. I just do not.
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 6/1/2008 11:03:58 PM
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Solus
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I'm of the belief that this is a culture issue. If it is normal in the culture to swim nude fine. If ti is normal in the culture to swim fully clothed then also fine.
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 6/6/2008 12:21:55 AM
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I think it depends on the size of the swim suit. A bikini would in my opinion be a sin. I have always felt condemned for wearing a bikini. But I would wear one any way. I finally decided that I needed to trust my heart.
1John 3:20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21:Beloved if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 6/6/2008 12:28:25 AM
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I think it depends on the size of the swim suit. A bikini would in my opinion be a sin. I have always felt condemned for wearing a bikini.
Just to make sure I'm understanding you properly - are you saying that, for you personally, wearing a bikini is sinful, or are you saying that, for every Christian, wearing a bikini is sinful?
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 6/6/2008 7:45:11 AM
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So it comes down to a heart issue. I would not feel comfortable in a skimpy suit. But then again, I don't want to wear an "old lady" suit either. Too often the stores only carry tiny teeny-bopper suits or overly structured suits. I was suprised to find a two piece that was modest and fit. Women strive to look good in a suit and then cover it with a t-shirt.
Segregated swimming? In this country? What do you do with women who want to take their sons swimming? For that matter, let's segregate everything because we so want to protect everyone from personal responisiblity before God concerning lust. Hmmm, even segregated that will still be an issue.
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 6/6/2008 2:07:19 PM
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reillan
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ORIGINAL: Solus
I'm of the belief that this is a culture issue. If it is normal in the culture to swim nude fine. If ti is normal in the culture to swim fully clothed then also fine.
I just now noticed you said this, but yes - that is exactly what I have often argued it is. Culture is more invasive into our beliefs than we sometimes realize.
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 6/19/2008 7:20:46 PM
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The dress issue is a lust issue. if u dress in a way that causes someone to lust after u then u r just as guilty as the person thet lusts for u. It is called reponsibility. Remember, what a man sees turns him on.
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 6/20/2008 12:02:36 AM
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endless_night
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I don't think scripture tells us that swimming in a swimsuit is sinful (in and of itself), just be careful that what you are wearing is not intentionally trying to make someone lust after you (girls and guys). For we do not want to make our fellow Christians stumble.
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 6/20/2008 12:20:26 AM
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The dress issue is a lust issue. if u dress in a way that causes someone to lust after u then u r just as guilty as the person thet lusts for u. It is called reponsibility. Remember, what a man sees turns him on.
What if a guy has a fascination with pinky toes? He lusts after women with beautiful pinky toes! Am I guilty if I walk past him in flip-flops? I sure hope not because they are my favorite kind of shoe. Probably just because they're cheap though! 
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 6/20/2008 1:35:17 AM
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MrFribbles
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just be careful that what you are wearing is not intentionally trying to make someone lust after you (girls and guys).
*emphasis added*
I think you're right on here, endless_night.
The fact is, sometimes people will lust, no matter what we're wearing. But as long as we are doing what we can, within our means, to not intentionally dress (or act!) provocatively, then I don't think we are in the wrong.
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 6/28/2008 3:00:36 PM
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Some one piece all over swimsuits 'show more' than some bikinis, so it's not a clear cut one piece versus bikinis thing
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 6/28/2008 3:33:45 PM
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If you have ever been to a public beach in Italy or Spain, you know that even a speedo covers up more than what most people wear there. I believe in the USA it is known as a "thong" and everyone from children of 4 or 5 up to men and women in the 80s wear them to the beach. Tall, short, male, female, skinny to the morbidly obese. Nobody seems to notice because everyone always dresses that way.
On some beaches, women (from maybe their mid-teens to their 30s) sometimes take off their tops. The only men I have ever noticed staring at them are American and British tourists!
Please note, I am not advocating this practice, just describing what I have noticed in 40 and more years at Mediterranean beaches.
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 6/28/2008 6:42:47 PM
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I guess the bikini is actually a lot more modest that the so called monokini.
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 7/15/2008 12:12:50 PM
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faroukfarouk
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thorkraki:
In any case, in France the newspapers and magazines aren't suppose to violate people's privacy, as it's called. So I guess it alters things a bit.
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If you have ever been to a public beach in Italy or Spain, you know that even a speedo covers up more than what most people wear there. I believe in the USA it is known as a "thong" and everyone from children of 4 or 5 up to men and women in the 80s wear them to the beach. Tall, short, male, female, skinny to the morbidly obese. Nobody seems to notice because everyone always dresses that way.
On some beaches, women (from maybe their mid-teens to their 30s) sometimes take off their tops. The only men I have ever noticed staring at them are American and British tourists!
Please note, I am not advocating this practice, just describing what I have noticed in 40 and more years at Mediterranean beaches.
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 7/24/2008 7:34:17 PM
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In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis says chastity must not be confused with modesty (propriety or decency) and adds, "a girl in the Pacific islands wearing hardly any clothes and a Victorian lady completely covered in clothes might both be equally "modest" ... for the standards of their own societies." Depending on the situation, society today expects, accepts, tolerates to some degree, or prohibits exposure of certain body parts and certainly a beach or swimming pool is at the "expects-accepts" end of the scale. When it isn't expected, it is much more offensive.
We can probably assume Simon Peter was routinely "stripped for work" before Jesus greeted him and other fishermen in John 21.
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 7/25/2008 1:34:13 PM
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I guess the bikini is actually a lot more modest that the so called monokini. What is a "monokini" and what is it protesting?
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 7/25/2008 1:57:23 PM
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I love to swim!!
I do not, however, wear skimpy swimsuits
I think people should "cover" themselves properly because we all know people these days don't
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 7/25/2008 2:04:13 PM
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There are certain mitzvot (acts of kindness) that must be done for the good of society as a whole. We all make our choices regarding what such a mitzvah will be. I have made my choice.
My mitzvah is this: I don't wear swimsuits.
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RE: SWIMMING AND SWIMSUITS...nor not? - 7/25/2008 2:10:01 PM
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Covaan - A mitvah is NOT an act of kindness (tsadakah) or a good deed. It is the fulfillment/performance of a biblical command.
Unless you believe that wearing a swimsuit violates some biblical command, not wearing one cannot be a mitzvah.
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