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RE: Willow Creek's Huge Shift - 5/20/2008 1:15:16 PM
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Jhud
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The church’s commission is to make disciples of all nations, to be His witnesses throughout the world, preaching the gospel in season and out. We are also told we that the purpose of the church is for "the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ."
These aren’t mutually exclusive prospects, and throughout the history of the church it has swung like a great pendulum to either one extreme or the other. The key is to find that point at which we salt and light to those around us while ministering to those already with us – and that point may change depending on what time and place we find ourselves in history, so we should ever be ready to follow the leading of the Spirit confirmed by the consistency of the Word of God and prayer.
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RE: Willow Creek's Huge Shift - 5/20/2008 1:21:57 PM
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OLEEguacamole
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i don't know, being led by the Spirit is kinda radical. 
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RE: Willow Creek's Huge Shift - 5/20/2008 3:03:49 PM
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OLEEguacamole
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jer 29:13
You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.
acts 17:26
and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation ,
17:27
that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
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RE: Willow Creek's Huge Shift - 5/20/2008 5:34:06 PM
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ORIGINAL: OLEEguacamole
jer 29:13
You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.
acts 17:26
and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation ,
17:27
that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
I agree with the appetizer. We do seek God, He draws us to Him.
Will post more later, but must dash off.
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RE: Willow Creek's Huge Shift - 5/20/2008 8:40:36 PM
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but a new believer who is searching for Gods truth and needs guidance
This process is called discipleship. It is a needed part of the church.
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RE: Willow Creek's Huge Shift - 5/20/2008 9:10:17 PM
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All Believers are charged to witness Christ
Including the pastor.
Small groups I think are key to a large church. The sermon is good and should always be bible based, as our's are. For more in depth studies you can go to the midweek service which essentially goes through the bible, word for word.
For more intimate fellowships and more in depth study, a small group is very good.
Certainly, we should evenagilize but if the church we bring them to cannot meet the needs of a new christian, it would seem counter productive to witness.
I am not sure how many christians in a church can disciple someone to the point they can come into a "mature church" setting, where the newer believer can understand what is going on.
It almost sounds like some initiaion to some exclusive club, not a church.
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RE: Willow Creek's Huge Shift - 5/21/2008 5:57:58 PM
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Kath
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Moved from General Faith
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RE: Willow Creek's Huge Shift - 5/21/2008 9:18:32 PM
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colliefan
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I am not sure how many christians in a church can disciple someone to the point they can come into a "mature church" setting, where the newer believer can understand what is going on.
2 Tim 2:1 - 2 (ESV) 1You then, my child, be strengthened by the grace that is in Christ Jesus, 2and what you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.
Paul doesn't say bring 'em to church and I'll get them saved.
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RE: Willow Creek's Huge Shift - 5/22/2008 9:26:05 AM
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I think it is a good move. I hate the word "seeker sensitive." It's like hearing nails on a chalk board.
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RE: Willow Creek's Huge Shift - 5/22/2008 2:27:18 PM
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DarleneSchreiber
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Hybels...Hybels...now why does that name ring a faint bell in my head? Someone help me...who is Bill Hybels? And where have I heard the name of Willow Creek??? Explain, please.
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RE: Willow Creek's Huge Shift - 5/22/2008 2:31:13 PM
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You probably heard of them as one of the largest churches in the U.S. - one of what's considered a mega-church.
Willow Creek Website
or were you just pulling our leg?
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RE: Willow Creek's Huge Shift - 5/22/2008 2:34:21 PM
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I heard they are going from "seeker-friendly" to emergent. Not my kind of shift
I used to go to a church where the pastor spent half his sermon quoting Hybels rather than Scripture.
We finally coined the phrase
"Less Hybels and more BIBLE"
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RE: Willow Creek's Huge Shift - 5/22/2008 3:51:26 PM
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doinkdom
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I'm a girl.
I mean, I have a pink flamingo avatar and everything 
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RE: Willow Creek's Huge Shift - 5/22/2008 4:33:48 PM
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doinkdom
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well, it's the welcome sign on my front door...maybe I'll go back to my other flamingo so there's no doubt
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RE: Willow Creek's Huge Shift - 5/22/2008 9:40:23 PM
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Okay...I've been digging around for info on Willow Creek. Still have some more to do, but I came across this on Focus on the Family's site...
"...he [Bill Clinton] was a recent guest at Willow Creek Church before an audience of 4,500 religious leaders, with 6,300 more watching via a closed-circuit television hookup in the United States and Canada.27 Clinton was interviewed informally on that occasion by the Rev. Bill Hybels who, after promising a no-holds-barred interview, tossed softballs that permitted the president to sound mildly contrite over the Lewinsky matter. It was just four days before the Democratic National Convention, when he needed "cover" to shield him from those who might bring up the Lewinsky affair. Hybels did not ask the president, nor did the president volunteer, to repent for his infidelity with the other women or to express regret for his shameful support for partial-birth abortion."
Here's the link to the whole thing, if you're interested...
http://www2.focusonthefamily.com/docstudy/newsletters/a000000243.cfm
Granted it was written in February, 2001, so things could have changed tremendously. Bill Hybels could have changed tremendously!
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RE: Willow Creek's Huge Shift - 5/22/2008 9:42:55 PM
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A disciple making church is VERY different from a membership making chucrh.
One exhibits spiritual growth while the other numbers growth.
One takes blood, sweat and tears while the other methodolgies of psych marketing
One is called Philadelphia while the other, laodecia
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RE: Willow Creek's Huge Shift - 5/22/2008 10:17:59 PM
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Very smart move, when are believers going to mature?
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RE: Willow Creek's Huge Shift - 5/22/2008 10:36:50 PM
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And you know that how? What proof do you have to make that accusation?
My church is constantly seeking God's will and if that means changing direction, we do it. Society is not static. Why should the church be? We shouldn't do something just because it's the way we've always done it, and holding onto our "sacred cows".
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