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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/5/2008 2:02:00 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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John, I am not judging.
You have judged me countless times... In this very post you do so...
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When I say I don't like a candidates issues - that's all I say.
You can't seperate ones actions from who they are...
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I don't judge them as wicked and not a Christian like you do.
They judge themselves and the bible is clear the body of Christ is to remove those who don't repent...
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Again, therein lies the big difference to you and I.
Without a doubt... I will not support one who supports murder...
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I pray that you are happy being that way.
I pray you never fall under false teaching since by your words you couldn't remove yourself from it...
John
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/5/2008 6:31:44 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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I (personally) don't know any lazy bums (or hard-working individuals) who want the government to pay for healthcare so they can have it made, just because they want it.
Why do they want others to pay for their health care...
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Not everyone who wants universal healthcare just wants someone else to pay for them or to become a mooch.
Why do they want others to pay for their health care...
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But I guess if that's the way you think about it, that's the way it is in your world.
It's the way it is... There is an ever growing group of people who believe in entitlement...
John
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/6/2008 12:01:33 PM
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Lizahana
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John, I am not judging.
You have judged me countless times... In this very post you do so...
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When I say I don't like a candidates issues - that's all I say.
You can't seperate ones actions from who they are...
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I don't judge them as wicked and not a Christian like you do.
They judge themselves and the bible is clear the body of Christ is to remove those who don't repent...
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Again, therein lies the big difference to you and I.
Without a doubt... I will not support one who supports murder...
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I pray that you are happy being that way.
I pray you never fall under false teaching since by your words you couldn't remove yourself from it...
John
John, I have never judged your morals, if you are a Christian, or if you are evil and wicked. You have judged morals on those that you do not even know; you have said they are not Christians when you do not know them, and you have judged them evil and wicked. This is something I refuse to do. Again, if you feel comfortable with this - go right ahead. I do not.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/6/2008 12:08:08 PM
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Lizahana
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Not necessarily. But Liza, I will say that not all countries with universal healthcare are equal... I believe that's a large part of the reason why I know people who hate the way their country did it, but then others who loved the way their country's system was set up and are willing to go back to it as opposed to the US. I (personally) don't know any lazy bums (or hard-working individuals) who want the government to pay for healthcare so they can have it made, just because they want it. Not everyone who wants universal healthcare just wants someone else to pay for them or to become a mooch. But I guess if that's the way you think about it, that's the way it is in your world. 
Yes, I know. I would just like our country to maybe do what Taiwan and Japan did - heavily research other countries with some form of universal healthcare, and find the best of each.
And well said! I have excellent health insurance myself - but I want to see the same for the hardworking 45-47 million Americans without health insurance.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/6/2008 12:57:53 PM
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John, I have never judged your morals, if you are a Christian, or if you are evil and wicked.
To claim I bear false witness is a moral judgment...
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You have judged morals on those that you do not even know; you have said they are not Christians when you do not know them, and you have judged them evil and wicked.
The person in question outwardly supports evil things... Something you have not and cannot refute since it's common knowledge and the person confesses that he does.... So your charge against me is false and not a righteous judgment.
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This is something I refuse to do.
Yes, you refuse to judge a righteous judgment... You condemn me and in support of one who professing by their word and deeds evil things...
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Again, if you feel comfortable with this - go right ahead. I do not.
Actually you do... And in the very post you claim not to...
John
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/6/2008 1:07:41 PM
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Lizahana
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John, I have never judged your morals, if you are a Christian, or if you are evil and wicked.
To claim I bear false witness is a moral judgment...
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You have judged morals on those that you do not even know; you have said they are not Christians when you do not know them, and you have judged them evil and wicked.
The person in question outwardly supports evil things... Something you have not and cannot refute since it's common knowledge and the person confesses that he does.... So your charge against me is false and not a righteous judgment.
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This is something I refuse to do.
Peace and God bless,
Yes, you refuse to judge a righteous judgment... You condemn me and in support of one who professing by their word and deeds evil things...
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Again, if you feel comfortable with this - go right ahead. I do not.
Actually you do... And in the very post you claim not to...
John
John, I have never judged you morally no matter how many times you say that I have - I have never questioned your Christianity, your morals, or said that you are wicked. You, on the other hand, have morally judged plenty - if they are a Christian or not, if they are wicked. Again, go ahead, I will not do this.
Peace and God bless,
PS BTW, I am thru argueing this with you, John - and will not reply.
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/6/2008 1:21:34 PM
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Frustrating, isn't it? :) It's rather easy to see what others are doing (or claim that they're doing something that they are not)... when one is doing the same thing him- or herself. Reminds me of Madea's Class Reunion (the scene when they're in the restaurant)... There is something you can do when people resort to judging you (other than reporting them).... just ignore them. Might make them upset, but it works great for me! Hehe.
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/6/2008 1:43:40 PM
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Lizahana
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That's a great strategy. I think I shall adopt it.
Thanks, Peace and God bless,
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/6/2008 2:46:19 PM
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John, I have never judged you morally no matter how many times you say that I have - I have never questioned your Christianity, your morals, or said that you are wicked. You, on the other hand, have morally judged plenty - if they are a Christian or not, if they are wicked. Again, go ahead, I will not do this.
Your own words conflict with above...
You said:
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You have judged morals on those that you do not even know; you have said they are not Christians when you do not know them, and you have judged them evil and wicked.
You claim I am bearing false witness against someone... Of course you don't speak to the facts since they don't favor your view of things...
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PS BTW, I am thru argueing this with you, John - and will not reply.
You've said this before...
John
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/6/2008 3:06:26 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Frustrating, isn't it? :) It's rather easy to see what others are doing (or claim that they're doing something that they are not)... when one is doing the same thing him- or herself. Reminds me of Madea's Class Reunion (the scene when they're in the restaurant)... There is something you can do when people resort to judging you (other than reporting them).... just ignore them. Might make them upset, but it works great for me! Hehe.
More than your normal bit of irony....
John
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/7/2008 10:08:43 AM
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You own them? Public schools are property of some form of government...
Hey John, ever of by the people, for the people, etc.? Ever hear of elected school board members? Bond issues?
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/7/2008 11:41:01 PM
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You own them? Public schools are property of some form of government...
Hey John, ever of by the people, for the people, etc.? Ever hear of elected school board members? Bond issues?
We don't live under what was, but what is... Schools are property of the state...
John
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/8/2008 12:18:24 AM
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We don't live under what was, but what is... Schools are property of the state... How so? What makes them the property of the state?
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/8/2008 12:21:09 AM
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We don't live under what was, but what is... Schools are property of the state... How so? What makes them the property of the state?
That's who owns them... Do you have the deed to the property the school sits on? I love this... What's next? Edwards Air Forcs base isn't own by the government? It's really property of the people...
John
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/8/2008 9:26:18 AM
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Explain yourself. Better yet, start a new thread before somebody starts with the "Now, now, children, we're off topic".
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/8/2008 11:00:08 PM
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Explain yourself. Better yet, start a new thread before somebody starts with the "Now, now, children, we're off topic".
Why do I have to explain the painfully obvious truth that some form of government own public schools...
John
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/9/2008 1:01:09 AM
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relady
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Why do I have to explain the painfully obvious truth that some form of government own public schools... Actually, since the school is paid for with mostly my tax dollars, then yes, I do own a portion of the school. and since it is run mostly by a locally elected school board, I'd hardly call it "government" run. Sheesh. Some people will demonize anything just to make it sound bad.
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/9/2008 7:27:28 AM
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Lizahana
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Why do I have to explain the painfully obvious truth that some form of government own public schools... Actually, since the school is paid for with mostly my tax dollars, then yes, I do own a portion of the school. and since it is run mostly by a locally elected school board, I'd hardly call it "government" run. Sheesh. Some people will demonize anything just to make it sound bad.
Agreed and well said.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/9/2008 9:18:35 AM
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6dj8
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Actually, since the school is paid for with mostly my tax dollars, then yes, I do own a portion of the school. and since it is run mostly by a locally elected school board, I'd hardly call it "government" run. Sheesh. Some people will demonize anything just to make it sound bad.
I agree and well put. Not that some people will ever understand, but well said nonetheless.
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