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RE: Anglican conservatives plan strategy - 6/28/2008 11:47:32 AM
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Looks like the Virginia Episcopal churches will be able to keep they're property despite the national denom's stance on church property as they split off.
Virginia Judge Lets Episcopal Congregations Secede
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RE: Anglican conservatives plan strategy - 6/28/2008 12:24:41 PM
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I don't remember the guy's name. I was watching a History Channel show a couple of years ago and they highlighted this one bishop who held he could be a good bishop even though he taught that the Bible was all myth and legend.
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RE: Anglican conservatives plan strategy - 6/28/2008 5:22:00 PM
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I have heard that there is an Episcopal Bishop who is an atheist and still has his position too.
John Spong is the only one I know of. I don't recall that he retired before he announced his atheism, but I've been wrong before.
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RE: Anglican conservatives plan strategy - 6/28/2008 5:25:21 PM
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That is more than amazing. He should have been defrocked or asked to step down once he became a nonbeliever.
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RE: Anglican conservatives plan strategy - 6/28/2008 5:37:35 PM
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We're spineless.
He's by far the worst, but he isn't the only one. Some have been delicensed, but usually over violations of church policy, and we simply do not defrock people.
There was one locally delicensed over performing a marriage outside a church building, but no one has ever raised a stink over his belief that Jesus is not God.
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RE: Anglican conservatives plan strategy - 6/29/2008 6:57:00 PM
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Looks like the traditional believing Anglicans have done something that will cause many waves within the Anglican Communion now. I bet that will go over with a lead balloon with the apostate within the leadership.
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Anglicans form 'new church' in gay clergy row
Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent
The Anglican Church faces what is in effect a schism this weekend after the declaration last night of conservative evangelicals to create a “church within a church”. The new body, called the Fellowship of Confessing Anglicans, will have its own bishops, clergy and theological colleges. Details of the fellowship were announced in Jerusalem last night at a summit of conservative Anglicans, the Global Anglican Future Conference.
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Central to the announcement was a “Jerusalem declaration”, which will form the basis of the new fellowship. In the declaration the archbishops and bishops said: “We reject the authority of those churches and leaders who have denied the orthodox faith in word or deed.” It accused the leaders of the Episcopal Church of the United States and the Anglican Church of Canada of proclaiming a “false gospel”. The fellowship’s first task will be to create a new Anglican body in North America.
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What do you all think about this?
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RE: Anglican conservatives plan strategy - 6/29/2008 7:52:58 PM
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To expect a unified Anglican church is a dream. The die has been cast. It's time to move on to do the Lord's work. If the liberals want to repent and join us they are more than welcome.
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RE: Anglican conservatives plan strategy - 6/29/2008 8:35:25 PM
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Anglicans used to pray From all false doctrine, heresy, and schism, from hardness of heart and contempt of thy word and commandment, good Lord deliver us.
In their hardness of heart and contempt of God's word and commandment our leaders have given us false doctrine and occasionally heresy. They have forced schism upon us.
Pray for us all.
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RE: Anglican conservatives plan strategy - 6/29/2008 9:02:17 PM
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contempt of thy word and commandment
This is one of the key areas that has caused the move from orthodoxy. Goes back to Satan's lie of "did God really say"
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RE: Anglican conservatives plan strategy - 6/29/2008 9:07:39 PM
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I will.
I don't see that Jerusalem Declaration as anything but a fallback position. Sort of a "barricading themselves in the keep". What do you know about the leadership who is behind this? Do you think the American and Canadian episcopal churches will put up with this or will they do their best to defrock/expell clergy holding traditional beliefs despite this move?
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RE: Anglican conservatives plan strategy - 6/29/2008 9:25:10 PM
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or will they do their best to defrock/expell clergy holding traditional beliefs despite this move?
My guess is that those clergy/parishes/dioceses who hold traditional beliefs will seek sanctuary under the tradional provinces. But since the entire structure isn't sound it is bound to colapse. When it does there will be a rebuilding a conservative communion and the liberals will be free to go their own way.
The libs can have Westminter Abbey. It is a beautiful building, but it only a building.
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RE: Anglican conservatives plan strategy - 6/30/2008 9:11:33 PM
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Look at this silly man Rowan...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/01/anglicanism.religion
Church of England: Archbishop confronts Anglican rebelsWilliams challenges legitimacy and authority of breakaway faction
Riazat Butt, religious affairs correspondent The Guardian, Tuesday July 1, 2008 Article historyThe Archbishop of Canterbury last night directly challenged the rebel Anglicans who have launched a breakaway faction within the global communion. In unusually forthright language, he accused them of lacking legitimacy, authority and, by implication, integrity.
Breaking his silence over the threat to the unity of the 77 million-strong communion, Williams warned the leaders of the conservative coalition that demolishing existing structures was not the answer to their concerns.
Responding to the creation at the weekend of the Fellowship of Confessing Anglicans (Foca), a global network for millions of Anglicans unhappy with liberal teaching on matters such as homosexuality and women priests, Williams said: "If they [the teachings] are not working effectively, the challenge is to renew them rather than to improvise solutions that may seem to be effective for some in the short term but will continue to create more problems than they solve."
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My emphasis in bold. Effective? The A communion has been UN-effective for memory.....now he wants teachings to be effective? Not Truth?
Alas....
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RE: Anglican conservatives plan strategy - 6/30/2008 10:17:33 PM
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he accused them of lacking legitimacy, authority and, by implication, integrity.
Oh, Rowan, get a grip, man! You are a human Eggo.
You are the titular head of a denomination that is in schism (and has been for *years*). You have never taken a firm stand in the past--why all the rhetoric now?
Pick a side, Rowan. It would be hoped that you would pick the correct side, but I am not holding my breath.
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RE: Anglican conservatives plan strategy - 6/30/2008 10:36:33 PM
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these are Not leaders of the Lord. these are politicians playing a balancing act......when someone tips
the balance, they get agitated.
Howvere, the fault lies not entirely with rowan as he has inherited the problem. Alto having said this, he has the chance to fix it once and for all ...but...he prefers politics....
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RE: Anglican conservatives plan strategy - 7/1/2008 12:25:02 AM
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I remember when Rowan Williams took power in Canterbury years ago. He caused a lot of exasperation because he was as liberal as those who are in control in the US and Canada. So I'm not so suprised.
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RE: Anglican conservatives plan strategy - 7/1/2008 1:54:41 AM
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I'll bet you never received any acknowledgement or response at all from Carey, did you?
Nope never did expect him to.... but it certainly made my local Synod take note...  no LAITY has taken it to Canterbury before.....
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RE: Anglican conservatives plan strategy - 7/1/2008 1:57:46 AM
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I remember when Rowan Williams took power in Canterbury years ago. He caused a lot of exasperation because he was as liberal as those who are in control in the US and Canada. So I'm not so suprised.
Yes. Remember also he was inducted as a druid? 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/2172918.stm
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RE: Anglican conservatives plan strategy - 7/1/2008 5:14:17 PM
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I don't know if it will be a "death knell" but if the conservative clergy boycott Lambeth, it will mark for certain the Anglican communion is all but dead.
What will be interesting is how a "reformed" Anglican church will look? Since there will be no Cantebury, will a single individual be chosen as a leader?
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