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Exactly what is sin?
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| willful violation of a known law of God |
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| falling short of God's perfect mark |
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| violation of God's laws, whether known or not |
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| The sin nature is always with us |
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| the sin nature can be eradicated |
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 7/28/2008 4:19:46 PM
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ORIGINAL: bluestone
You may choose more than one item on the poll.
What exactly is sin? Seems we have a lot of definitions, depending on theological background.
Can we keep from sinning? Is it inevitable for the believer to sin?
Has anyone ever stopped sinning completely? (I know some who calim it)
Should we "sin boldly", as some say, relying on Gods grace? Or does that just cheapen and use up grace?
Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God Forbid!
Discuss sin, what it is, and anything related to it.
Hi everyone, I'm new here! Hope it's okay and not too late to get back to the subject.
I found the poll a bit confusing. The first three choices all seem to point to actions in a generic sense...they seemed to me to be the outcome of one expressing their sin nature. Then the next two choices specifically mention a sin nature. As far as the "I don't sin..." choice, I'm definitely not there. So, I ultimately had to answer "Other".
I see sin as the outcome of the relationship between the man God created and the devil. I sometimes wonder what it was like for Adam and Eve before the Fall. For instance, were they radiant like Moses and Elijah when appearing with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration? Anyway, the blessing God gave to them in Gen 1:28-30 suggests to me that God intended for mankind to have dominion over every living thing in creation...except for himself.
I'm not entirely certain what to make of Gen 3:7, "Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked", but allow me to share where I do take it. I take "eyes" to be a metaphor of self-awareness. Adam and Eve were not self-conscious, but found their entire self-identity completely wrapped up in and of and with their Creator. God created Adam and Eve with their "eyes" closed (or else why would it say they were opened), so they were without the need to claim anything for themselves. One self-assertive act, they sinned they saw that they were naked (perhaps their radiance faded?), and they became alive with self-interest (but dead to God). They were no longer wholly dependent upon God...they were now, in large measure, independent and autonomous.
So, I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that this independent self-realization is at the core of what is the nature of sin. I have read one definition that the essence of sin is my claim to my right to myself. It is a complete disavowal of any claim that another (namely God) would have on me. The saying, "I have a right to live my life the way I see fit" and the term "self-made man" come to mind.
If I can borrow the metaphor of the mainspring of a finely crafted watch. This mainspring is what drives all of the other inner-workings of the timepiece. The way I view sin is that my mainspring (or ruling disposition, if you will) is bent beyond repair. This right to myself is not merely something I claim, but something that continually makes me insist on my own way.
The mystery of redemption (as I understand it) is not that I am merely put right for heaven, or that I am even given a new, flawless mainspring, but that I am given the very same mainspring that was in His Son. That God can take me, a sinner, and make a saint out me. Not that I become holy, but that His holiness manifests itself in me. Rather than a "do this" religion, we are called to a "be this, and I will do through you" relationship.
So, in a nutshell, that is my take on what sin is. In all its forms, it is doing without God.
I'm still on the fence when it comes to entire sanctification. I understand that in it God does not remove the possibility of disobedience (otherwise there would be no value in our obedience), but rather that He enables me to be perfectly obedient. My take is that the moment I enter entire sanctification my past will always have a record of sin (1 Jn 1:8-10), but that my future need not have any more sin (1 Jn 1:6-7; 2:1,4-6); or to say that another way, it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. One might argue whether or not we can excercise our free-will at that point, but I think that misses the point entirely. The way I understand entire sanctification is that the believer now has the supernatural ability to completely sacrifice his free-will. Someone once said, "Freedom is the ability not to insist on my rights, but to see that God gets His." That's deep.
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 7/28/2008 4:56:37 PM
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I'm still on the fence when it comes to entire sanctification. I understand that in it God does not remove the possibility of disobedience (otherwise there would be no value in our obedience), but rather that He enables me to be perfectly obedient. My take is that the moment I enter entire sanctification my past will always have a record of sin (1 Jn 1:8-10), but that my future need not have any more sin (1 Jn 1:6-7; 2:1,4-6); or to say that another way, it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. One might argue whether or not we can excercise our free-will at that point, but I think that misses the point entirely. The way I understand entire sanctification is that the believer now has the supernatural ability to completely sacrifice his free-will. Someone once said, "Freedom is the ability not to insist on my rights, but to see that God gets His." That's deep. For someone who claims to be "on the fence" regarding entire sanctification, your understanding seems excellent to me, GideonsFleece! "Not my will but thine" is the earnest cry of the sanctified Believer. God bless you in your walk of sanctification with Him and welcome to the Forums!
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 8/16/2008 9:27:51 PM
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I would like to hear someone explain sinning everyday in word, thought, and deed.
Sounds like a lot of hard work. 
I believe that sin is anything which separates us from God. Most sins are common to us all of course - murder, forniction, adultery, greed, pride, covetousness etc etc. However, I believe that some sins are not common. For example, I do not believe that drinking alcohol is a sin, and therefore I do not feel as though taking a glass of wine with my meal is separating me from Him. If, on the other hand, you do believe that drinking alcohol is a sin, then you are clearly and knowingly rebelling (sinning) if you partake.
PRIDE is the sin that separates us from God. It's what got Lucifer kicked out of heaven.
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 8/17/2008 5:48:58 AM
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You may choose more than one item on the poll.
What exactly is sin? Seems we have a lot of definitions, depending on theological background.
For me, it's missing the mark, but more intense than that - broader and deeper still.
It's imagining the perfection of God in all its power, grace and infinite love. Sin is anything that isn't just exactly that.
In that sense, sin is really what I do all day long. Nothing I do will ever, can ever, stand up to that type of a consuming fire. My best will always be like a third grader's rendition of Rembrandt in comparison.
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 8/17/2008 8:35:37 AM
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It's imagining the perfection of God in all its power, grace and infinite love. Sin is anything that isn't just exactly that.
In that sense, sin is really what I do all day long. What a pessimistic performance-based view of the Christian walk, GroupW! It negates any kind of intent of the heart or Christ-like attitude or desire to live for the Lord. Instead, sinning all day long is the dead end of hopeless human effort. I think I will stick with 1 Thess 5:23-24 and let the God of Peace sanctify me through and through so that I may be blameless at the return of His Son.
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 9/7/2008 4:34:54 PM
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“..for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.”
(Romans.14:23b)
“Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.”
(James.4:17)
“..sin is the transgression of the law.”
(I John.3:4b)
“All unrighteousness is sin.”
(I John.5:17a)
Beside these definitions of what sin is, we see also, as some of you have pointed out, that indeed “all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God”,(Romans.3:23). by I John.1:8-10; which tells us in verse 8 in the present tense we do have sin; and in verse 10 in the past tense we have sinned; and in verse 9 in a continual and unceasing sense we are to acknowledge our guilt and admit our wrongs, for the purpose of forgiveness and cleansing.
Then in I John.3:8&9, we see the two types of people in the world; in verse 8 we see that the person who deliberately sins, ie: willfully or on purpose, that this person is of the devil. Whereas in verse 9 we see the person truly born of God does no longer deliberately sin, because this person has received the influence of heavenly Truth in their conscience, which convicts their conscience with guilt and shame the moment the idea to willfully sin crops up. For when we have His seed in us, then “sin shall have no more dominion over you”(Romans.6:14a & 18,20). So then, being made free from the dominion of sin, we become the servants of righteousness, because when we were servants of sin, we were separated from righteousness.
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 9/7/2008 10:52:38 PM
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"Sin by any other name is still sin". It is willful disobedience to the Word of God committed either by doing what He has said one should not do OR by not doing what he has said one should do. It is motivated by pride which says that "I" know more than or better than God. Simply put, Sin is REBELLION.
Sin is what makes us unworthy of Heaven. Sin is anything which separates man from God. It is what we do by nature because we are SINNERS. OUR sin is the reason that God poured out his wrath on His only Son at Calvary.
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 9/8/2008 12:40:14 AM
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I’ll tell you what...when God's laws are written in you heart as promises under the new covenant, from that time forward any thing that you do that gives you that feeling of remorse, or like you have done something wrong...you have sinned against God. That's the purpose of what the Spirit has done. Those in the OT had their laws written stone, rather than the heart and it wasn't very effective because they didn't know Christ.
Today we have Christ and those laws are cut into our hearts and we know them instinctively. So when you do something that gives you a stomach ache…repent. 
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 9/8/2008 2:27:46 AM
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I’ll tell you what...when God's laws are written in you heart as promises under the new covenant, from that time forward any thing that you do that gives you that feeling of remorse, or like you have done something wrong...you have sinned against God. That's the purpose of what the Spirit has done. Those in the OT had their laws written stone, rather than the heart and it wasn't very effective because they didn't know Christ.
Today we have Christ and those laws are cut into our hearts and we know them instinctively. So when you do something that gives you a stomach ache…repent.
Bob
Bob,
- How many salvations are there -- one or more?
- Where do you intend to spend eternity?
- How many salvations are there -- one or more?
- Where will Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel spend eternity?
- How many salvations are there -- one or more?
- You wrote, "Those in the OT had their laws written stone, rather than the heart and it wasn't very effective because they didn't know Christ." How can this be, then?
Just asking.
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 9/8/2008 10:56:43 AM
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How many salvations are there -- one or more? There are as many "salvations" as they are number of people saved. We are all unique souls on whom G-d bestows grace to which we respond individually by persoanl faith. Are you implying that everybody who is saved must be saved in exactly the same way, circumstance, situation, and method?
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 9/8/2008 11:57:13 AM
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How many salvations are there -- one or more? There are as many "salvations" as they are number of people saved. We are all unique souls on whom G-d bestows grace to which we respond individually by persoanl faith. Are you implying that everybody who is saved must be saved in exactly the same way, circumstance, situation, and method?
Sometimes, I just don't know if you are serious or kidding; this is one of those times. The Scripture says there is one L-rd, one faith, and one baptism. How does that fit with your questions? And were you kidding?
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So, since my questions were not answered above, and since they may have been poorly written, I will answer them, Bob.
- How many salvations are there -- one or more?
There is one salvation, no more. Salvation can only be received through Messiah. There is no other salvation, according to the Scriptures.
- Where do you intend to spend eternity?
I believe you intend, as I, to live eternity with our L-rd, our Messiah.
- How many salvations are there -- one or more?
There is one salvation through Messiah.
- Where will Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel spend eternity?
With our L-rd, our Messiah
- How many salvations are there -- one or more?
There is one salvation through Messiah.
- You wrote, "Those in the OT had their laws written stone, rather than the heart and it wasn't very effective because they didn't know Christ." How can this be, then?
Bob, those persons knew Messiah just as we do. Just because they looked forward to Him, not back at Him as we do, does not negate either their faith or their salvation. Just read the faith chapter. He was slain from the foundation of the world. People didn't suddenly receive salvation only after His physical act of sacrifice. Just as the Holy Spirit was given long before Acts, salvation was real, was received, was acknowledged, and all through our One L-rd, the Messiah.
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 9/8/2008 12:43:27 PM
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The Scripture says there is one L-rd, one faith, and one baptism. How does that fit with your questions? More importantly is how Ephesians 4 fits with your questions, Abiyah. I read one "body", "Spirit", "hope", "Lord", "faith", "baptism", and "God and Father". No mention of one "salvation". Was Elijah saved the same way you were saved? Was Paul saved the same way I was saved? What do you mean by "one salvation"?
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Bob, those persons knew Messiah just as we do. Just because they looked forward to Him, not back at Him as we do, does not negate either their faith or their salvation. It is impossible for OT people to have "known Messiah just as we do"! Indeed, Jesus Himself stated in John 16:7 that He must leave in order for the Cousellor to come to us. I do not negate the faith or salvation of the OT saints. I only know that the Atonement, Resurrection, and Pentecost were historical events that have forever changed the nature of salvation for those of us living after them.
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 9/8/2008 12:56:53 PM
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The Scripture says there is one L-rd, one faith, and one baptism. How does that fit with your questions? More importantly is how Ephesians 4 fits with your questions, Abiyah. I read one "body", "Spirit", "hope", "Lord", "faith", "baptism", and "God and Father". No mention of one "salvation". Was Elijah saved the same way you were saved? Was Paul saved the same way I was saved? What do you mean by "one salvation"?
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Bob, those persons knew Messiah just as we do. Just because they looked forward to Him, not back at Him as we do, does not negate either their faith or their salvation. It is impossible for OT people to have "known Messiah just as we do"! Indeed, Jesus Himself stated in John 16:7 that He must leave in order for the Cousellor to come to us. I do not negate the faith or salvation of the OT saints. I only know that the Atonement, Resurrection, and Pentecost were historical events that have forever changed the nature of salvation for those of us living after them.
You and I both know that we two misunderstand one another a lot. I have just decided I will not comment regarding why I think this is. In fact, I have just decided I will comment no further regarding what you have written in this particular post. Sometimes, it just has to be this way.
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 9/8/2008 1:04:45 PM
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Drmark:
There is only ONE way of salvation i.e. through Jesus Christ (John 14:6; Acts 4:12) ALL other ways lead to HELL not HEAVEN (Matt. 7:13-14) ALL, whether OT or NT believers, are saved by "grace through faith" (Ephesians 2:8-9).
In the OT it was believing in the promises of God and his faithfulness to perform all that he said he would do. It was believing God, that was the motivation in Obedience to the Law of God. "Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness" (Romans 4:3; Gal. 3:6; James 2:23). Abraham was not justified because he deserved it, but because God chose him in his sovereign will. This was an act of Grace on the part of God toward Abraham. Abraham's unquestioning obedience to God proved he BELIEVED what God had promised him.
Abraham was just as sinful and undeserving as any of us. Without the intervention of God's grace in choosing him, he would have died and went to hell. When God chose him in UR of the Chaldees (Gen. 12) and called him out of that sinful place, He believed and obeyed instantly. When God called upon him to sacrifice his son Isacc, the son of promise, again Abraham obeyed God instantly without question. (Genesis 22) Hebrews 11:17-19 referring to the passage in Genesis 22 states that Abraham was willing to sacrifice Isacc "Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure."
It is after this incident that God, as he stopped Abraham from slaying his son, said to him "now I know that thou FEAREST God." His obedience proved his belief, but it was on account of his belief i.e. his faith in the promises and character of God, that he was justified.
In the NT, it is quite clear that the method of Salvation is the same. It is through Believing the Gospel. When a person believes God regarding his own sinfulness (Romans 3:9-11,23), the punishment for that sin (Romans 5:12; 6:23), Christs sacrifice for that sin on our behalf, (Romans 5:8; II Corinthians 5:21), his burial and resurrection from the Grave (I Corinthians 15:1-6) and is willing to repent (turn from) of his sin and place his faith in Christ as Savior and Lord (Romans 10:9-10,13), God ACTS in GRACE toward the undeserving sinner based solely on his belief (trust) in Christ and salvation is given as a FREE gift of God.
AS IN THE CASE OF ABRAHAM, THE BASIS FOR JUSTIFICATION IS THE SAME. IT IS FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST ON THE CROSS. ABRAHAM AND ALL THE OT SAINTS LOOKED FORWARD TO THE CROSS BELIEVING THAT GOD WOULD KEEP HIS PROMISE OF A REDEEMER. (Genesis 3:15; Isaiah 53; Ps. 22 ) NEW TESTAMENT SAINTS, INCLUDING ALL WHO ARE NOW LIVING, LOOK AT THE CROSS AS THE FULFILLMENT OF GOD'S PROMISE REGARDING A REDEEMER AND THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST AS THE PROOF OF CHRISTS DEITY AND PROMISE OF OUR OWN RESURRECTION. (Romans 8:10-25;I Cor. 15:12-58)
Bottom line, whether NT or OT, the means of Salvation is the same - it is the GRACE of God appropriated through FAITH i.e. belief in the promises of God regarding his Son and trusting God to do what he said he would do. This belief is evidenced by unquestioning obedience in the life of a believer after salvation.
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 9/8/2008 1:17:56 PM
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You and I both know that we two misunderstand one another a lot. I have just decided I will not comment regarding why I think this is. In fact, I have just decided I will comment no further regarding what you have written in this particular post. Sometimes, it just has to be this way. As always, Abiyah, that is your perogative. Personally, I think we understand one another much better than you claim. Rather, it appears one of us is more uncomfortable with an appearance of disagreement rather than an appearance of misunderstanding. Dear sister, I respect your position and look forward to future dialogue.
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 9/8/2008 1:28:52 PM
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You and I both know that we two misunderstand one another a lot. I have just decided I will not comment regarding why I think this is. In fact, I have just decided I will comment no further regarding what you have written in this particular post. Sometimes, it just has to be this way. As always, Abiyah, that is your perogative. Personally, I think we understand one another much better than you claim. Rather, it appears one of us is more uncomfortable with an appearance of disagreement rather than an appearance of misunderstanding. Dear sister, I respect your position and look forward to future dialogue.
Mark, I have come to love you as a brother, but we strongly disagree on many things. I seriously do not understand much of what you write and whether you are kidding or being serious in some of it. I do not understand some of what appears to me to be holes in your biblical understanding. I do not understand why you do not seem to see certain concepts.
Re "Rather, it appears one of us is more uncomfortable with an appearance of disagreement rather than an appearance of misunderstanding," no; this isn't it. Sometimes, it just feels like it is useless to continue. I am immersed in a culture in which disagreement is common, accepted, and embraced. Rather, it is that sometimes, I simply think it is best to be quiet. After all, my prerogative must be to be in constant recognition that I am not the H Spirit, and I should not try to be Him to others.
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 9/8/2008 1:42:11 PM
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Bottom line, whether NT or OT, the means of Salvation is the same - it is the GRACE of God appropriated through FAITH i.e. belief in the promises of God regarding his Son and trusting God to do what he said he would do. This belief is evidenced by unquestioning obedience in the life of a believer after salvation. Ah, an interesting change of words in this "bottom line", 2preacher. I totally agree with you (and Abiyah!) that the means of salvation is the same grace of God throughout history. However, you (and Abiyah!) cannot deny that the way in which salvation occurs is completely unique for each person.
We need look no further than the translation of Enoch in Genesis 5 to prove my point that the manner of salvation is individually personalized for each and every life of faith. I for one am most thankful for that! I have no desire to tend sheep on the backside of the desert for 40 years or be struck blind travelling to Damascus. I trust this clarifies my position, 2preacher. Thanks for the dissertation.
BTW, I'm sure you agree that Enoch had absolutely no idea who Jesus would be or what God would do for Him (Romans 10:9), yet he was saved!.
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 9/8/2008 1:53:04 PM
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1. How many salvations are there -- one or more?
2. Where do you intend to spend eternity?
3. How many salvations are there -- one or more?
4. Where will Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel spend eternity?
5. How many salvations are there -- one or more?
6. You wrote, "Those in the OT had their laws written stone, rather than the heart and it wasn't very effective because they didn't know Christ." How can this be, then?
Hi Covanna...
There is only one salvation and all of those who processed faith in God will spend eternity in the presents of God.
What does it mean in Hebrews when God says “So I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.”
Sorry I'm late in getting back..I see you answered your own question.
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 9/8/2008 3:38:21 PM
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Covaan…maybe I got the wrong impression from your post. It was my understanding that you were saying that all or the majority of the people God brought from Egypt in fact received salvation through faith.
It was my contention that in fact very few did.
If I drew the wrong conclusion please forgive me.
Bob
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 10/11/2008 6:52:41 PM
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What is sin, it is eaiser to ask what is not sin. Not sinning is doing the will of our Father and living our lives in the design of our Lord Christ Jesus. Sin, #264 in Strong's dictionary or hamartano "to miss the mark, to err." There are other Greek and Hebrew words that parallel this definition. Hamartano, to miss the mark, to err, to fall short of the great goal God's perfection. In the letters from Paul to the churches of Asia Paul announces that we all fall short... That sin in our minds long before we sin in the natural and that there is no difference to God between a little lie or murder, so it is safe to say "sin" is not being as God but being as we want. It is also safe to say "Thank You Father fro sending Your Son and my Lord Jesus to take away my judgement through my sin, my missteps, Thank you for my Salvation." Oh, by the way I am new to this site.
Chaplain Chris
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RE: Exactly what is sin? - 10/12/2008 10:11:47 AM
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benelchi
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What is sin, it is eaiser to ask what is not sin. Not sinning is doing the will of our Father and living our lives in the design of our Lord Christ Jesus. Sin, #264 in Strong's dictionary or hamartano "to miss the mark, to err." There are other Greek and Hebrew words that parallel this definition. Hamartano, to miss the mark, to err, to fall short of the great goal God's perfection. In the letters from Paul to the churches of Asia Paul announces that we all fall short... That sin in our minds long before we sin in the natural and that there is no difference to God between a little lie or murder, so it is safe to say "sin" is not being as God but being as we want. It is also safe to say "Thank You Father fro sending Your Son and my Lord Jesus to take away my judgement through my sin, my missteps, Thank you for my Salvation." Oh, by the way I am new to this site.
Chaplain Chris
Good insights. One thought is that the word sin 'hamartano' in Greek carried with it a nuance of rebellion that was more in line with the Hebrew 'chata'. Although the Greek has a has an overlapping semantic range, the words are not identical, and because the biblical authors were all Aramaic/Hebrew speaking Jews there is good reason to believe that their understanding of 'hamartano' was colored by their cultural understanding of sin.
And welcome to the site.
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