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WALL-E a preachy failure - 6/27/2008 11:58:37 PM
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valnoren
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Pixar's first flop. They got way to preachy with Wall-e. I just got back home and it pushes the sap meter way up to attempt covering for it faults.
There where those who ate up the "AWWW It's so CUTE" pitch hook line and sinker. Only to have parts of the movie be so indoctrinating that it was very obvious the crowd was not pleased with it.
Afterwards people where leaving the theater talking about how they did not like being insulted and preached at.
Pixar inserted their political and idealogical beliefs in between moments of semi funny comedy sketches.
The Pixar Short before Wall-e was far superior and held up to Pixar's story standards better than the feature.
I love Pixar , I own every short and movie. I love their art but I also don't want to spend my hard earned money and take my kids along to get a liberal comment on environmentalism, social physical concerns, and the evils of corporation's within a "family" animated film.
Which is sad because the animation was unbelievable, but they stepped aside from concentrating on the story and tried to also insert there views with warm fuzzy cute and cuddly fascism.
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RE: WALL-E - 6/28/2008 1:00:58 AM
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Jenny-Fair, I have seen the movie now, and that review you linked to is incorrect in its interpretation of the movie.
It makes no sort of connection whatsoever that slothfulness or obesity caused the problems on Earth. Images and videos of people who lived at the time the Earth became uninhabitable (i.e. the people who caused the problem) are shown in the movie, and none of them are overweight.
The overweight people in the movie do not contribute to the decay of Earth or any other planet and in fact.....SPOILER.... end up doing the opposite, when inspired to.
The obesity is portrayed as a consequence of slothfulness, not the other way around. But it is also pointed out in the movie that the low gravity has weakened their skeletons to the point where slothfulness may be unavoidable.
They are also not shown overeating...everyone has to drink their food in the future. And I'm unaware of a stereotype that obese people all have to ride electric wheel chairs.
The movie didn't come across to me as being preachy. Preachiness would have entailed characters discussing the mistakes people made to mess up the Earth, and someone getting chastised for it. The only villain in the movie is a robot whose only motivation is not to outlive its usefulness. And the major corporation shown in the movie provided the means for saving the Earth in the end. The company seemed to be a neutral entity in the plot.
Anyway, I don't think you have to be liberal to have a reason to care about over-consumption. I'm not really seeing what kind of negative message was being "preached".
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RE: WALL-E - 6/28/2008 1:06:29 AM
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To the ones who have seen it- besides the preachyness, the obesity and so on and on....my question....will the children enjoy it?
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RE: WALL-E - 6/28/2008 1:08:33 AM
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WALL-E specifically singles out and targets obese people as the primary cause of mankind’s demise, further perpetuating the stereotype of the gluttonous, slothful fat person. Furthermore, the film suggests that, in their exaggerated laziness, obese people disregard not only personal health, but also that of the planets, and are held up as the cause for the destruction of the environmental landscape
That's right, kiddies...fat equals evil. 
I just got home from taking my son and his friends to see WALL-E and I don't know who came up with the review above, but it has NOTHING to do with the movie that I saw. The movie takes place after humans have been on this ship for 700 YEARS. The pictures of successive "captains" show the progression of people from trim and fit to obese with massive bone loss. Only someone who is overly sensitive is going to relate the BnL logo (where BnL is the company that encouraged the excesses that led to the destruction of the earth by trash...BnL stands for "Buy and Large") to overweight people. None of the people on the ship were "evil" they were deceived. They had grown up for many generations with every need met and and every waking hour occupied with some sort of mindless virtual entertainment (sounds a lot like TV to me) and didn't know anything else. And when ever they were shaken out of their mind-controlled state, they made choices to do the right thing.
I am very picky about what movies my son sees and I find nothing objectionable about this movie.
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RE: WALL-E - 6/28/2008 1:36:27 AM
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Thank you to those who have seen the movie.
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RE: WALL-E a preachy failure - 6/28/2008 2:25:45 AM
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Pixar's first flop.
The box office will decide that.
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that review you linked to is incorrect in its interpretation of the movie.
Surprise, surprise.
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The obesity is portrayed as a consequence of slothfulness
As it is most likely the case in real life, too. If people become bent out of shape over a simple animated movie, they should take a glimpse at reality. Rude awakening.
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RE: WALL-E a preachy failure - 6/28/2008 2:29:47 AM
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As it is most likely the case in real life, too. If people become bent out of shape over a simple animated movie, they should take a glimpse at reality. Rude awakening.
Yet another stereotype that is not true.
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RE: WALL-E a preachy failure - 6/28/2008 2:40:37 AM
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Slothfulness has nothing to do obesity? I can say from my own experience that it does.
But to get back on topic, my opinion of Wall-E hasn't changed. It won't until I see it for myself.
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RE: WALL-E - 6/28/2008 9:20:35 AM
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ORIGINAL: valnoren
Afterwards people where leaving the theater talking about how they did not like being insulted and preached at.
I don't know what theater you went to, but at my theater, the audience clapped wildly at the end and left talking about how great the movie was (while playing with our free WALL-E watches... I wore mine all day  ) I didn't feel it was preachy at all.
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To the ones who have seen it- besides the preachyness, the obesity and so on and on....my question....will the children enjoy it?
Hmm... I'm not sure about that. It would really depend on the kid, but because there isn't much dialog, I can see how some kids would find it "boring." And since major events leading the Earth's fall happened 700 years before the setting of the movie, it might be hard for a kid to follow the timeline (and would thus end up thinking that the fat people destroyed the Earth when it was really the skinny people 700 years earlier who did it ). Kids would probably enjoy the cute robot, but the plot might be hard to grasp and they might have trouble concentrating on a movie that relies pretty heavily on the visual and very little on dialog.
I fully expect my adult siblings to like it, but my youngest brothers (11 and 12) probably will not. My 11 year old brother will probably be bored at the begining when there is no talking and my 12 year old brother will probably fall asleep and then tell me that he loved it just because he knows I liked it 
ETA: Also, the movie had some REALLY sad moments. It might be hard for a kid to handle. I cried through a good bit of it, but that might be because it was 2am
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RE: WALL-E - 6/28/2008 9:27:45 AM
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I can't wait to see this. Aside from the usually high quality films that pixar makes, the sound designer and voice for Wall-e was Ben Burtt, the sound designer for all the Indiana Jones and Star Wars movies.
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RE: WALL-E - 6/28/2008 10:45:44 AM
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RE: WALL-E - 6/28/2008 11:10:28 AM
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My kiddos are excited to see the movie. I think we'll take in the matinee tomorrow. We have been watching the online trailers over and over for months. LOL! Even my 18 month old says "WA-WEEEEE!" when the previews are shown.
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RE: WALL-E - 6/28/2008 4:04:45 PM
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To the ones who have seen it- besides the preachyness, the obesity and so on and on....my question....will the children enjoy it?
I almost didn't go to see this movie because a coworker's wife and daughter had gone and not particularly liked it. However, my son was with a friend for the day and all the children had decided to go to the movie.
I attended Wall-E with three children ages 6-8. All three of them loved the movie.
No movie can "work" for everyone, as is evidenced from the "reviews" of viewer's so far.
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RE: WALL-E - 6/29/2008 12:22:30 AM
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Just I went to see WALL-E today this afternoon. It was really good. It was so cute to Eva and WALL-E being boyfriend and girlfriend. It does related to my boyfriend and I how it related us to the movie.
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RE: WALL-E - 6/29/2008 12:26:05 AM
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It does related to love. Like if you were in a relationship with someone like your boyfriend or girlfriend. It related for my boyfriend and I how it happened to us when we fell in love. It was the sweetest movie ever.
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RE: WALL-E - 6/29/2008 12:31:10 AM
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WALL-E specifically singles out and targets obese people as the primary cause of mankind’s demise, further perpetuating the stereotype of the gluttonous, slothful fat person. Furthermore, the film suggests that, in their exaggerated laziness, obese people disregard not only personal health, but also that of the planets, and are held up as the cause for the destruction of the environmental landscape
That's right, kiddies...fat equals evil.
I was telling my sis on the way home the opposite of that review. I got that obesity comes from not bothering to take care of onesself or the environment- the guy who left instructions on how to get back to earth was NOT obese- the people who lived in chairs at the spa, doing nothing since their planet had been destroyed, were. She saw the same.
Jodavi- there were only about 10 adults in the theater, and my sister and I the only 2 without kids (they were with Dad) and not a single kid got up, talked, cried, etc. Afterwords, while in the restroom, I heard a couple of little ones (maybe 5 and 7) repeating lines to each other... it was cute
The whole waiting on love/ not giving up/ seeing the other person for their value to you/ part was nice. How often do we not see what people are worth to us until something happens and we look back?
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RE: WALL-E - 6/29/2008 1:06:12 AM
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To the ones who have seen it- besides the preachyness, the obesity and so on and on....my question....will the children enjoy it?
Yes. Everyone in the theater, including children, seemed to enjoy it. At the end one little kid yelled out Eva!
I thought it was good. The story was a little more sophisticated than other things I have seen from Disney/Pixar.
The credits are done in an interesting and creative manner. They may have been my favorite part.
The political subtext was slightly heavy-handed, but I didn't mind it.
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RE: WALL-E - 6/29/2008 1:19:22 AM
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WALL-E specifically singles out and targets obese people as the primary cause of mankind’s demise
That seems to have been written by someone who didn't actually see it.
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RE: WALL-E - 6/29/2008 10:17:32 AM
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I've been anticipating this movie for a while.
I'm an obese/overweight/fat (whatever label you want to put on it) person. So I was very curious in seeing it first-hand after reading the previous posts about how this movie portrayed obese/overweight/fat people.
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. . . None of the people on the ship were "evil" they were deceived. They had grown up for many generations with every need met and and every waking hour occupied with some sort of mindless virtual entertainment . . . . and didn't know anything else.
I have to agree with this.
In fact there was an announcement by the ships computer that was something to the effect; "to not worry, BnL will see to your every need." They have robots to do everything for them. The men don't shave, the robots do it for them . . . the women don't put on make up, the robots do it for them. If you fall out of your chair, you don't have to climb back in, a robot will come do it for you.
Only when WALL-E shows up and innocently changes the balance of things, do people seem to wake up and realize that there's more to life than sitting in a floating chair all day with a tv/video screen in front of your face.
It also focuses the balance on interpersonal relationships. The people actually begin to notice the others around them and interact with one another AND the beauty around them.
**MINOR SPOILER** - Mary & John looking at the stars. Not the video screen.
AND the feeling of having a purpose . . .
**ANOTHER MINOR SPOILER** The captain saying, "For once I actually get to do something around here!"
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The movie didn't come across to me as being preachy. Preachiness would have entailed characters discussing the mistakes people made to mess up the Earth, and someone getting chastised for it. The only villain in the movie is a robot whose only motivation is not to outlive its usefulness. And the major corporation shown in the movie provided the means for saving the Earth in the end. The company seemed to be a neutral entity in the plot.
Anyway, I don't think you have to be liberal to have a reason to care about over-consumption. I'm not really seeing what kind of negative message was being "preached".
I have to disagree with this point.
When the CEO of the company was shown he was at a podium, with a logo in front; much like what we see on TV in the White House press-room. Everything on earth had the BnL logo on it. Therefore, BnL was not just a corporation, it was the government. Therefore it's the government's fault.
As for seeing it with kids.
Because of the lack of dialog some smaller children may not fully understand Wall-E's isolation, feeling of loniness and longing for companionship.
I took my 10yo daughter. She enjoyed it but did seem a bit bored in the middle. She was focused on the cute antics of Wall-E and his friendship with Eve. She is a bit sensetive and was upset when **SPOILER** Wall-E appeard to have died.
Overall, it's a good film; Not PIXAR's best. but it's worth seeing. If you are not sure, wait for the DVD if you don't want to pay the cost of the theater ticket. Yes there is an environmental message here for us to take care of our planet. After all - - - it's the only one we have.
OH AND -- The PIXAR "short film" at the beginning was cute & funny. Everyone in the theater was laughing outloud at this one.
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RE: WALL-E - 6/29/2008 10:29:27 AM
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OH AND -- The PIXAR "short film" at the beginning was cute & funny. Everyone in the theater was laughing outloud at this one.
I LOVE their shorts! I think the people who work there must really enjoy what they are doing.
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RE: WALL-E - 6/29/2008 11:40:43 AM
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WALL-E specifically singles out and targets obese people as the primary cause of mankind’s demise
That seems to have been written by someone who didn't actually see it.
Completely agreed. I'm sorry, but this article was written by a magazine which (from what I can see on that site) is about as detramenal to people's self-images and health as one of those fashion magazines that shows scrawny models who's rib cages can be played like a xylephone through their skin as the norm.
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I was telling my sis on the way home the opposite of that review. I got that obesity comes from not bothering to take care of onesself or the environment- the guy who left instructions on how to get back to earth was NOT obese- the people who lived in chairs at the spa, doing nothing since their planet had been destroyed, were. She saw the same.
THIS is far more accurate. The people in this movie who were obese were NOT seen as being evil. They were a product of their environment. They sat around and watched television while floating around in chairs and letting robots and computers handle their every need, and as a result of their choices, devolved into what you saw on the space ship (just like in our world, when you eat fast food all the time, don't exercise, live in front of the t.v., etc., your health suffers). It was an extension of happened to them on Earth when they had to leave. They stopped caring for themselves, just as they stopped caring about Earth's environment. As a result, they lost their independence, their health, and more. Just as they lost their planet due to their wastefulness.
In the end, this wasn't about insulting fat people. It was about showing what happens when you don't take care of things (yourself, your planet, etc.) and just let someone/something else do everything for you. Its a lesson that can be applied to real life, and Pixar did a decent job of portraying it among everything else in this movie.
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RE: WALL-E - 6/29/2008 4:06:22 PM
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Just saw it. Absolutely wonderful, this is one you'll want to see.
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