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Obama vs. McCain: ISSUES ONLY!!! - 6/30/2008 2:53:41 PM
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Evangel70
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This thread is for discussion of issue differences only.
Obama vs. McCain
The contrasts between McCain, 71, a white former Navy pilot and Vietnam prisoner of war, and Obama, 46, a black Harvard Law School graduate and former community organizer, go far beyond the personal.
Their ideological gulf is most evident on two issues usually ranked in opinion polls as the top concerns of American voters -- the Iraq war and the faltering economy.
Iraq
McCain was a prominent and ardent supporter of the decision to invade Iraq and vows to keep U.S. troops there until the war is won. He recently said 2013 was a reasonable date for achieving that goal and ending U.S. involvement.
Obama, an Illinois senator, was an early opponent of the war who has promised to remove U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months of taking office.
Tax Cuts
McCain supports extending President George W. Bush's cuts and cutting corporate tax rates, while Obama would let Bush's cuts expire for wealthy Americans -- those making more than $250,000 annually -- and raise capital gains tax rates, another item that normally affects primarily high-income earners.
NAFTA
Obama also would renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement, blamed by some Democrats and labor unions for costing U.S. jobs. McCain opposes amending the pact and says it has been beneficial.
Healthcare
McCain would use tax credits to help shift from employer-based insurance coverage to an open market system where people can choose from competing policies.
Obama would keep the existing job-based system and expand government involvement. He supports universal health coverage for the 47 million Americans without insurance, although he would only require coverage for children.
Leadership
McCain has repeatedly hammered Obama's lack of national security experience, criticizing his willingness to talk to leaders of hostile nations without preconditions as a sign of naivete.
Obama blasts McCain's economic leadership and his ties to Washington lobbyists, saying the Republican's presidency would amount to Bush's third term. Obama, who says McCain would prolong Bush's failed diplomatic approach, portrays the election as a choice between the future and the past.
Other
McCain has addressed global warming as a legitimate problem and supports federal spending on stem-cell research.
Story Here
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RE: Obama vs. McCain: ISSUES ONLY!!! - 6/30/2008 3:37:55 PM
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I would add -
McCain - The old way of doing things in Washington
Obama - A new way of doing things in Washington
This is an 'issue'?
What is McCain's supposed 'old way' and Obama's supposed 'new way'?
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RE: Obama vs. McCain: ISSUES ONLY!!! - 6/30/2008 3:42:42 PM
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I would add -
McCain - The old way of doing things in Washington
Obama - A new way of doing things in Washington
What new way???
Our form of government is how old?
It has been subject to how many changes in the over 200 years of this country's existence?
It seems to me that the way things are done in Washington has changed in so many ways that the only "new way of doing things in Washington" is the very way of doing things that the founders of our country created to protect us from-dictatorship.
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RE: Obama vs. McCain: ISSUES ONLY!!! - 6/30/2008 3:50:03 PM
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One issue not touched on here is probably the one that will effect a significant portion of our public policy, and is held to be one of the most important issues amongst a number of Christians - McCain has said he will appoint justices who are, " faithful to the clear intentions of the framers and to the actual meaning of the Constitution." while Obama sees the role of the Constitution as, a "living document and must be read in the context of an ever-changing world." thus signaling that McCain will oppose justices that 'interpret' the Constitution to allow for abortion rights, gay marriage rights, and ever more liberal government social policies, while Barak Obama will be inclined to support such justices.
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RE: Obama vs. McCain: ISSUES ONLY!!! - 6/30/2008 3:53:41 PM
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Jhud
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Try this again (same as 1st post)
Old Way John McCain - old-fashioned, Republican, supply-side economics
New Way Barack Obama - melding of Clinton sort of growth economics, and also mainstream, centrist, Bob Rubin-style of economics.
I am not sure raising taxes to continue to expand an ever larger government is particularly 'new' - in fact I think it's about 40 years older than supply-side economics (which Clinton basically adopted mid-term, thanks to a Republican congress).
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RE: Obama vs. McCain: ISSUES ONLY!!! - 6/30/2008 3:58:03 PM
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I am not sure raising taxes to continue to expand an ever larger government is particularly 'new' - in fact I think it's about 40 years older than supply-side economics (which Clinton basically adopted mid-term, thanks to a Republican congress).
Technically, I think the Clinton approach was a bit more neo-Keynesian rather than "supply side". True "supply side" economics largely fell from academic favor in the waning years of the Bush #1 administration.
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RE: Obama vs. McCain: ISSUES ONLY!!! - 6/30/2008 4:08:50 PM
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One issue not touched on here is probably the one that will effect a significant portion of our public policy, and is held to be one of the most important issues amongst a number of Christians - McCain has said he will appoint justices who are, " faithful to the clear intentions of the framers and to the actual meaning of the Constitution." while Obama sees the role of the Constitution as, a "living document and must be read in the context of an ever-changing world." thus signaling that McCain will oppose justices that 'interpret' the Constitution to allow for abortion rights, gay marriage rights, and ever more liberal government social policies, while Barak Obama will be inclined to support such justices.
The appointment of Justices is so important (as you point out) that it is difficult to appoint either a hard core lib or conservative. The minority party, whichever it will be, will pull out all the stops to block a hard-liner. So you see justices being put forward that will not have a clear agenda.
So, McLobby will likely appoint right-of-center and and Obummer left-of-center.
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RE: Obama vs. McCain: ISSUES ONLY!!! - 6/30/2008 4:10:00 PM
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Technically, I think the Clinton approach was a bit more neo-Keynesian rather than "supply side". True "supply side" economics largely fell from academic favor in the waning years of the Bush #1 administration.
Academic favor and political favor rarely coincide.
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RE: Obama vs. McCain: ISSUES ONLY!!! - 6/30/2008 4:12:23 PM
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The appointment of Justices is so important (as you point out) that it is difficult to appoint either a hard core lib or conservative. The minority party, whichever it will be, will pull out all the stops to block a hard-liner. So you see justices being put forward that will not have a clear agenda.
So, McLobby will likely appoint right-of-center and and Obummer left-of-center.
I don't care really what their 'agenda' is, I care whether they will fall in with Roberts, Scalia, Alito, and Thomas, or oppose them - and I think it is much more likely that McCain will appoint justices that will do the former instead of the latter - we know Barak will not.
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RE: Obama vs. McCain: ISSUES ONLY!!! - 6/30/2008 4:20:15 PM
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Technically, I think the Clinton approach was a bit more neo-Keynesian rather than "supply side". True "supply side" economics largely fell from academic favor in the waning years of the Bush #1 administration.
Academic favor and political favor rarely coincide.
LOL - true enough. Maybe we need to send our politicians back to college for macro-economics / econometrics 101.
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RE: Obama vs. McCain: ISSUES ONLY!!! - 6/30/2008 4:20:58 PM
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The appointment of Justices is so important (as you point out) that it is difficult to appoint either a hard core lib or conservative. The minority party, whichever it will be, will pull out all the stops to block a hard-liner. So you see justices being put forward that will not have a clear agenda.
So, McLobby will likely appoint right-of-center and and Obummer left-of-center.
I don't care really what their 'agenda' is, I care whether they will fall in with Roberts, Scalia, Alito, and Thomas, or oppose them - and I think it is much more likely that McCain will appoint justices that will do the former instead of the latter - we know Barak will not.
You are in denial, Jacko. You are consumed with what the agenda might be. I don't particularly want a rubber-stamp judge on the court. It also depends on how Congress winds up as to how easy or difficult it can be. I don't see any chance that Roe v Wade gets overturned, regardless.
McCain will be able to work with whatever circumstances exist. His strength is to focus on getting things done and he won't be manipulated by any half-baked idealists like the current President.
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RE: Obama vs. McCain: ISSUES ONLY!!! - 6/30/2008 4:30:17 PM
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Jhud
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"...mainstream, centrist, Bob Rubin-style of economics."
Robert E. Rubin and The Hamilton Project at the Brookings Institution is not about raising taxs to expand government.
Well, it depends on what day it is with Rubin.
But I think there is little evidence Obama is a centerist on anything, especially taxes and government growth.
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RE: Obama vs. McCain: ISSUES ONLY!!! - 6/30/2008 4:34:16 PM
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You are in denial, Jacko. You are consumed with what the agenda might be. I don't particularly want a rubber-stamp judge on the court. It also depends on how Congress winds up as to how easy or difficult it can be. I don't see any chance that Roe v Wade gets overturned, regardless.
McCain will be able to work with whatever circumstances exist. His strength is to focus on getting things done and he won't be manipulated by any half-baked idealists like the current President.
Actually, I don't really care about agenda (you were the one who brought that up), I care about judicial philosophy and what direction it will move the court - the reality is that based on their philosophies about justices alone, McCain is the right direction for the courts, Barak the wrong direction. And anyone who genrally agrees with a conservative judicial philosophy should be voting for McCain.
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RE: Obama vs. McCain: ISSUES ONLY!!! - 6/30/2008 5:36:57 PM
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Try this again (same as 1st post)
Old Way John McCain - old-fashioned, Republican, supply-side economics
New Way Barack Obama - melding of Clinton sort of growth economics, and also mainstream, centrist, Bob Rubin-style of economics.
I am not sure raising taxes to continue to expand an ever larger government is particularly 'new' - in fact I think it's about 40 years older than supply-side economics (which Clinton basically adopted mid-term, thanks to a Republican congress).
For once, you are right Jhud. This is, in the grand scheme of things, an old way.
The new way is lowering taxes during a war. Which is also a stupid way.
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RE: Obama vs. McCain: ISSUES ONLY!!! - 6/30/2008 5:40:05 PM
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For once, you are right Jhud. This is, in the grand scheme of things, an old way.
The new way is lowering taxes during a war. Which is also a stupid way.
That depends, on how much the war costs and what effect it will have on the economy as a whole.
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RE: Obama vs. McCain: ISSUES ONLY!!! - 6/30/2008 5:45:43 PM
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Look at our economy. In this case (the only time I know of that it was tried), it has been a miserable failure.
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RE: Obama vs. McCain: ISSUES ONLY!!! - 6/30/2008 5:48:42 PM
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Jhud
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Look at our economy. In this case (the only time I know of that it was tried), it has been a miserable failure.
Well, no, I remember when unemploment in my home town was well up over 10% in the 70's - as tough as the economy may be for some, the fact is we have sacrificed little for this war.
But this thread isn't about the Iraq war.
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RE: Obama vs. McCain: ISSUES ONLY!!! - 7/1/2008 10:12:27 AM
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McCain is the right direction for the courts, Barak the wrong direction. And anyone who genrally agrees with a conservative judicial philosophy should be voting for McCain.
Who is McCain touting for the Court?
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RE: Obama vs. McCain: ISSUES ONLY!!! - 7/1/2008 4:53:30 PM
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Justices along the lines of Roberts and Alito.
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RE: Obama vs. McCain: ISSUES ONLY!!! - 7/23/2008 2:53:33 AM
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ORIGINAL: Jhud
One issue not touched on here is probably the one that will effect a significant portion of our public policy, and is held to be one of the most important issues amongst a number of Christians - McCain has said he will appoint justices who are, " faithful to the clear intentions of the framers and to the actual meaning of the Constitution." while Obama sees the role of the Constitution as, a "living document and must be read in the context of an ever-changing world." thus signaling that McCain will oppose justices that 'interpret' the Constitution to allow for abortion rights, gay marriage rights, and ever more liberal government social policies, while Barak Obama will be inclined to support such justices.
The appointment of Justices is so important (as you point out) that it is difficult to appoint either a hard core lib or conservative. The minority party, whichever it will be, will pull out all the stops to block a hard-liner. So you see justices being put forward that will not have a clear agenda.
So, McLobby will likely appoint right-of-center and and Obummer left-of-center.
You're in denial. B.H. Obama will appoint nasty people who adore the right to suck the brains out of babies and slaughter the unborn in all kinds of sick ways. It's the one thing you can count on from a Democrat. 50 million dead and they're not satisfied.
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