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yustme -> Baptist (7/7/2008 11:36:10 AM)

I don't know what thread to put this on,but,I just want to know,how did the Baptist get started and where did they get their Doctrine?



JimboFletch -> RE: Baptist (7/7/2008 11:38:16 AM)

We got started because we didn't find another group that we agreed with and we got our doctrine from the Bible...




...Just like other denominations.
[;)]



L5FanLady -> RE: Baptist (7/7/2008 11:52:17 AM)

And unlike other denominations, we did not come out of the Catholic church (we are not Protestant, though we do protest the doctrine of Catholicism)

We originally were called Anabaptists, a name given by our enemies, meaning "Rebaptizers" because we didn't hold to the doctrine of infant baptism, but baptism after salvation.

Before we were called anabaptists, we were called Waldenses.



Qtman -> RE: Baptist (7/7/2008 11:59:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: L5FanLady

And unlike other denominations, we did not come out of the Catholic church (we are not Protestant, though we do protest the doctrine of Catholicism)

We originally were called Anabaptists, a name given by our enemies, meaning "Rebaptizers" because we didn't hold to the doctrine of infant baptism, but baptism after salvation.

Before we were called anabaptists, we were called Waldenses.


Tina do a little research. All protestant denominations can trace there roots back to the Roman Catholic Church. Even the Baptist. I am Baptist BTW. Most if not all, of the denominations in this country left the Church of England which was admitedly on and off Catholic.



L5FanLady -> RE: Baptist (7/7/2008 12:18:44 PM)

Sam, now you make me want to re-review my book, called, "A Short History of the Baptists" by Henry C. Vedder....[;)]



Kath -> RE: Baptist (7/7/2008 12:43:45 PM)

moving from Southern Gospel to The Church



crankius -> RE: Baptist (7/7/2008 1:00:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: yustme

I don't know what thread to put this on,but,I just want to know,how did the Baptist get started and where did they get their Doctrine?


It's also important for you to know that anybody can start a church and use the name Baptist. There are probably more varieties of Baptists than there are bugs. [8D] SO if you are wanting the history of a specific type of Baptist church, you should clarify.



Stephanos -> RE: Baptist (7/7/2008 1:04:17 PM)

It should be noted that the Anabaptst movement was a contemporary movement with Luther (both getting their starts in the mid 1500's).

As for Baptists, if you talk about traditional baptists (BGC, SBC, American Baptists, ect) all get their origins from many sources. While the Anabaptists do play a large role in the history of modern baptists, it is not a direct line. Baptists also have a large portion of their heritage from reformers such as luther and Calvin. For instance the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith has strong Reformed theological leanings (not overtly or direclty Reformed, but you can definatly see the influence).



JimboFletch -> RE: Baptist (7/7/2008 2:06:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Stephanos
... Baptists also have a large portion of their heritage from reformers such as luther and Calvin...

Except for Free Will Baptists, which are Arminian-leaning.



Stephanos -> RE: Baptist (7/7/2008 2:59:29 PM)

Well...You can claim you are something, but that does not mean you are. Yes, most Baptists today are "free will" Arminean. But the historical truth is that Baptists as we know them, began as a Reformed.



JimboFletch -> RE: Baptist (7/7/2008 3:10:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Stephanos

Well...You can claim you are something, but that does not mean you are. Yes, most Baptists today are "free will" Arminean. But the historical truth is that Baptists as we know them, began as a Reformed.

You misunderstood, FWB is a denomination, not a type of SBC.

http://www.nafwb.org/



Stephanos -> RE: Baptist (7/7/2008 3:27:31 PM)

English heretige baptists with no mention of the 1689 London Baptist Confession. Weird.



JimboFletch -> RE: Baptist (7/7/2008 4:03:06 PM)

The most telling phrase of the FWB's "What We Believe Page" is found at the tail-end of the somewhat misleading heading of Perseverance.

Since man, however, continues to have free choice, it is possible because of temptations and the weakness of human flesh for him to fall into the practice of sin and to make shipwreck of his faith and be lost.



rcjames -> RE: Baptist (7/7/2008 7:43:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

The most telling phrase of the FWB's "What We Believe Page" is found at the tail-end of the somewhat misleading heading of Perseverance.

Since man, however, continues to have free choice, it is possible because of temptations and the weakness of human flesh for him to fall into the practice of sin and to make shipwreck of his faith and be lost.


JimboFletch, you are absolutely correct; Free Will Baptist are not 5th Point Calvinist as are the Southern Baptist folks.

Another point that separates them is that FWB's do not believe in the Rapture, but do believe in soul sleep and a resurrection at the end times.

Along with the Southern Bapticostals I heve in my Church, there are also a couple of Free Willycostals. We do have some interesting discussions.

Thanks
RC



earthless -> RE: Baptist (7/7/2008 7:48:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rcjames

Along with the Southern Bapticostals I heve in my Church, there are also a couple of Free Willycostals. We do have some interesting discussions.

Thanks
RC


You better save a seat for my wife and I at your church's next dinner! [:)]



BerianAardvark -> RE: Baptist (7/7/2008 7:58:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: earthless

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ORIGINAL: rcjames

Along with the Southern Bapticostals I heve in my Church, there are also a couple of Free Willycostals. We do have some interesting discussions.

Thanks
RC


You better save a seat for my wife and I at your church's next dinner! [:)]


That is one thing all Baptists do seem to agree upon, the church social/dinner. [;)]

Tim



earthless -> RE: Baptist (7/7/2008 8:00:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BerianAardvark

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ORIGINAL: earthless

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ORIGINAL: rcjames

Along with the Southern Bapticostals I heve in my Church, there are also a couple of Free Willycostals. We do have some interesting discussions.

Thanks
RC


You better save a seat for my wife and I at your church's next dinner! [:)]


That is one thing all Baptists do seem to agree upon, the church social/dinner. [;)]

Tim


And Pentecostals too! I used to have a very hard time finishing up my sermons at my old church due to the intense (and how so delicious) smells that would seep into the sanctuary from the basement.



BerianAardvark -> RE: Baptist (7/7/2008 8:07:07 PM)

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And Pentecostals too! I used to have a very hard time finishing up my sermons at my old church due to the intense (and how so delicious) smells that would seep into the sanctuary from the basement.


I am currently attending a baptist (Conservative, for those who keep "score" of such things), but have also been a member of a Calvary Chapel (sometimes not so jokingly called Calorie Chapel).

They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. (Acts 2:42)

Apparently the early church had Baptist roots. [sm=chef.gif] [sm=dance.gif][sm=angel.gif]

Tim



StephK -> RE: Baptist (7/7/2008 11:25:47 PM)

Phil Johnson has a good collection of online links.



JimboFletch -> RE: Baptist (7/8/2008 8:01:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rcjames
Another point that separates them is that FWB's do not believe in the Rapture, but do believe in soul sleep and a resurrection at the end times.

Dear RC, I was in the FWB for over 3 decades and that statement was not true in any of the churches I was involved with from Florida to Virginia. There may be a few that do not hold to premil/pretrib eschatology (there isn't an official position) in your part of the country, but I've never heard of one that believes in soul sleep - that's more of the cult of Jehohah's Witness position.

I also never met one that would claim any kinship at all to Calvinism.



rcjames -> RE: Baptist (7/8/2008 10:52:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: rcjames
Another point that separates them is that FWB's do not believe in the Rapture, but do believe in soul sleep and a resurrection at the end times.

Dear RC, I was in the FWB for over 3 decades and that statement was not true in any of the churches I was involved with from Florida to Virginia. There may be a few that do not hold to premil/pretrib eschatology (there isn't an official position) in your part of the country, but I've never heard of one that believes in soul sleep - that's more of the cult of Jehohah's Witness position.

I also never met one that would claim any kinship at all to Calvinism.


Well I may stand partially corrected "Soul Sleep" is used in the FWB teaching but staying in the grave until the resurrection seems to be. Could just be a matter of semantics.

But sinse you are SB, and have attended FWB; I will yield to your knowledge.

Do you concur that the FWB do not believe in the rapture and the SB do?

Do not Souther Baptist believe in eternal security (5th point calvinism)?

Thsnks
RC



drfuss -> RE: Baptist (7/8/2008 11:18:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rcjames

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: rcjames
Another point that separates them is that FWB's do not believe in the Rapture, but do believe in soul sleep and a resurrection at the end times.

Dear RC, I was in the FWB for over 3 decades and that statement was not true in any of the churches I was involved with from Florida to Virginia. There may be a few that do not hold to premil/pretrib eschatology (there isn't an official position) in your part of the country, but I've never heard of one that believes in soul sleep - that's more of the cult of Jehohah's Witness position.

I also never met one that would claim any kinship at all to Calvinism.


Well I may stand partially corrected "Soul Sleep" is used in the FWB teaching but staying in the grave until the resurrection seems to be. Could just be a matter of semantics.

But sinse you are SB, and have attended FWB; I will yield to your knowledge.

Do you concur that the FWB do not believe in the rapture and the SB do?

Do not Souther Baptist believe in eternal security (5th point calvinism)?

Thsnks
RC


drfuss: I am a SBC member, so i will give you my take on what SBC believes. The SBC takes no position on the pre-trib/post-tirb issue. It is not specifically addressed in the SBC Baptist Faith and Message (BF@M). I know both pre-trib and post-tri SBC ministers. It is something like the one or five Point Calvinism issue; the BF&M is written so that both Classic Calvinists and one Point Calvinists can agree with it.

All SBC churches believe in some form of eternal security. It is specifically addresed in the SBC BF@M.



DaveW -> RE: Baptist (7/8/2008 11:27:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: earthless
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That is one thing all Baptists do seem to agree upon, the church social/dinner.
And Pentecostals too! I used to have a very hard time finishing up my sermons at my old church due to the intense (and how so delicious) smells that would seep into the sanctuary from the basement.
Well, you did not grow up in the pentecostal tradition I did. (Full Gospel Assembly) They did not allow food in the church building execpt for baby bottles and the services routinely went for hours. Sunday evening was typically from 7:30 to midnight. Pastor got mad when some of the congregants wanted to get home in time to eat something on Sunday afternoon before coming back to evening service.



crankius -> RE: Baptist (7/8/2008 11:51:48 AM)

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Well, you did not grow up in the pentecostal tradition I did. (Full Gospel Assembly) They did not allow food in the church building execpt for baby bottles and the services routinely went for hours. Sunday evening was typically from 7:30 to midnight. Pastor got mad when some of the congregants wanted to get home in time to eat something on Sunday afternoon before coming back to evening service.


[sm=shakinghead.gif]

Sounds more like Famished Gospel Assembly than Full Gospel Assembly.



earthless -> RE: Baptist (7/8/2008 11:56:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DaveW

Well, you did not grow up in the pentecostal tradition I did. (Full Gospel Assembly) They did not allow food in the church building execpt for baby bottles and the services routinely went for hours. Sunday evening was typically from 7:30 to midnight. Pastor got mad when some of the congregants wanted to get home in time to eat something on Sunday afternoon before coming back to evening service.


Ah, I see.. those are the Pentecostals my wife refers to as "raja tabla..." where movies are evil, makeup is demonic, and the women wear long skirts, long hair, etc..



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