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todd_t -> Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/8/2008 7:10:54 PM)

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/07/08/us.iraq/index.html



todd_t -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/8/2008 7:13:08 PM)

Although this matter will not affect the Bush Administration's agenda (as it will be history in six months), how will the next administration handle this matter if a foreign country wants American troops out by a specific date?



Rufas2000 -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/8/2008 8:21:48 PM)

It depends on whether they really want us out of if it is just political posturing on their part for the benefit of Iraqi citizens who are tired of having foreign troops in their country (no matter how much they may need us there, no one likes being occupied by foreign troops).



mapachito13 -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/8/2008 10:45:18 PM)

Why should we care what a democratically elected, sovereign government thinks? We're America and no one tells US what to do! [;)]



cow451 -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/9/2008 1:00:04 PM)

Bunch of cut-and-runj panty-waist liberals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who put these guys in charge, anyway?



tafkam -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/9/2008 1:13:06 PM)

Well, all the "humor" around this thread is amusing, but hey, if Iraq thinks they are ready to step up to the task of taking responsibility for the stability of their country, then the request for us to make preparations to leave is something we should be celebrating.

But of course, the left has to put a negative spin on it....go figure...[;)]



rlj -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/9/2008 3:15:01 PM)

I'd honestly like to know who in the heck they think they are trying to say they want something? Stupid colony it's way overdue to quell this rebellion. :X



cow451 -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/9/2008 3:26:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tafkam

Well, all the "humor" around this thread is amusing, but hey, if Iraq thinks they are ready to step up to the task of taking responsibility for the stability of their country, then the request for us to make preparations to leave is something we should be celebrating.

But of course, the left has to put a negative spin on it....go figure...[;)]


So if the Dems want a timetable, it's cut-and-run, but if the Iraqis want one that's Mission Accomplished? As an independent, I say go for it.



Sophie11 -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/10/2008 1:04:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cow451

So if the Dems want a timetable, it's cut-and-run, but if the Iraqis want one that's Mission Accomplished? As an independent, I say go for it.


I think it's more a matter of when the Iraqi government is stable enough. Putting a timetable in place without taking that into account is cutting and running. If you base the withdrawal on when the Iraqis are ready, then that is the responsible thing to do and there is nothing wrong with that. If they say they are ready, then yeah let's get out of there.



SonInMe1 -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/10/2008 5:30:51 AM)

I guess our oppression and imperial reign is over?



mapachito13 -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/10/2008 6:13:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tafkam

Well, all the "humor" around this thread is amusing, but hey, if Iraq thinks they are ready to step up to the task of taking responsibility for the stability of their country, then the request for us to make preparations to leave is something we should be celebrating.

But of course, the left has to put a negative spin on it....go figure...[;)]


Over 50% of respondents of past polls have been asking us to pull out for years. But that's how we prove to people in a new democracy that it's all about government by, of and for the people; by showing we don't give a rip about what they want.

I am sure if something changes on the ground the Pentagon will be rethinking that strategy. We'll have to wait until 2010 to get a hint whether they would abide by any pull-out agreement or not.

I'll celebrate when it actually happens! Until then it's wait and see.



Sophie11 -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/10/2008 8:17:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mapachito13

Over 50% of respondents of past polls have been asking us to pull out for years. But that's how we prove to people in a new democracy that it's all about government by, of and for the people; by showing we don't give a rip about what they want.


Oh yeah, right. And I'm sure if we had pulled out, before their government was in a position to capably handle things, then we would still be hearing about how this had nothing to do with giving them democracy. We would hear the media and others saying how horrible to leave the Iraqi people in such disarray, how those poor folks in that country were left without any government.



cow451 -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/10/2008 11:11:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1

I guess our oppression and imperial reign is over?

Apparently. Can we leave, now?



HighPlainsDrifter -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/10/2008 11:37:28 AM)

With this one fell stroke, Iraqi leadership, and the elections putting them in place, have apparently finally become legitimate in the eyes of the democrats. Up until now, it was all a sham.



cow451 -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/10/2008 12:18:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HighPlainsDrifter

With this one fell stroke, Iraqi leadership, and the elections putting them in place, have apparently finally become legitimate in the eyes of the democrats. Up until now, it was all a sham.

So it's not legit? Still a sham? Thanks for the clarification. So Maliki's handlers are ready to cut-and-run?



rlj -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/10/2008 12:30:49 PM)

Who put the no good libs in charge over there? :X



HighPlainsDrifter -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/10/2008 12:45:11 PM)

Didn't Democrats call the elections over there a "farce"? I didn't say they were a sham, I'm saying that only by asking for this timetable did that government become legitimate in the eyes of the Democrats.



rlj -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/10/2008 2:01:32 PM)

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Didn't Democrats call the elections over there a "farce"? I didn't say they were a sham, I'm saying that only by asking for this timetable did that government become legitimate in the eyes of the Democrats.


You will find that reality has hit the democrats since the '06 elections since they haven't stopped funding yet. The reality is this is the Iraqi government and it is what it is.



inthysite -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/10/2008 2:19:33 PM)

It's amazing the spin that is put on this, people hear the words "timetable" and "withdrawal" and that's all they focus on. Please re-read the whole article.

It's not like the Iraqi government just decided "Hey, the US has been here long enough and we want them out." No if you read the article the US and Iraq are working out negotiations of what to do past 2008:

"Al-Dabbagh's comments come as the United States and Iraq try to negotiate a framework governing the stationing of U.S. and allied troops beyond the end of 2008, when the current U.N. mandate for coalition forces expires."

Iraq is not saying that they want us out but rather that the new deal should include some sort of "tentative" deadline. They will still rely on what the conditions on the ground are when that deadline arrives;

" Ali al-Dabbagh said any timetable would depend on 'conditions and the circumstances that the country would be undergoing.' But he said a pullout within 'three, four or five' years was possible.

'It can be 2011 or 2012,' al-Dabbagh said. 'We don't have a specific date in mind, but we need to agree on the principle of setting a deadline.'"



SonInMe1 -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/10/2008 2:31:32 PM)

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Ali al-Dabbagh said any timetable would depend on 'conditions and the circumstances that the country would be undergoing.' But he said a pullout within 'three, four or five' years was possible.


Can anyone come against this as anything other than plain good old common sence?



Leon_Figg3 -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/10/2008 2:40:41 PM)

My only real concern on this matter is why people feel that a timetable aggreed upon between the Iraqi government and ours needs to be made public. Any aggreement, as to a timetable. should be self evident in the actions of the two parties involved.

I do not believe that, at this point, the Iraqi government is not going to want us out until they feel they can handle what ever may happen just as we did, in our Revolutuionary war, with those that aided us.



tafkam -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/10/2008 3:22:51 PM)

Well, I'll take the word of the Iraqis and what they feel they are ready to do over the word of Democrats who have been politicizing this war and undercutting our troops at every turn since day one....



RichLP -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/10/2008 4:11:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tafkam
Well, I'll take the word of the Iraqis and what they feel they are ready to do over the word of Democrats who have been politicizing this war and undercutting our troops at every turn since day one....


If you meant this, you would have advocated a withdrawal of American troops much earlier, because many Iraqis have wanted us out for quite some time now.



Leon_Figg3 -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/10/2008 4:17:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RichLP

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ORIGINAL: tafkam
Well, I'll take the word of the Iraqis and what they feel they are ready to do over the word of Democrats who have been politicizing this war and undercutting our troops at every turn since day one....


If you meant this, you would have advocated a withdrawal of American troops much earlier, because many Iraqis have wanted us out for quite some time now.


Not necessarily true. Before it was bands of Iraqis, people who claimed to be Iraqi expressing such desires for any number of reasons. Now we have the duly elected government of Iraq saying that they feel fairly confident that their government is stable enough, and strong enough to deal with just about anything that they may face.



RichLP -> RE: Iraq Leadership Wants Timetable For US Troop Departure (7/10/2008 4:21:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Leon_Figg3
Not necessarily true. Before it was bands of Iraqis, people who claimed to be Iraqi expressing such desires for any number of reasons. Now we have the duly elected government of Iraq saying that they feel fairly confident that their government is stable enough, and strong enough to deal with just about anything that they may face.


"Bands of Iraqis?"

Many Iraqis declared they were sick of the sufferings that had become their daily realities and wanted our soldiers out. I am not saying our troops themselves were to blame or that the Iraqis felt that way, but they were tired of all the violence. As for "any number of reasons," I speculate that the millions who have been driven from their homes might be a valid enough reason.



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