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woodsandfield -> Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/14/2008 7:47:44 AM)

I am watching and listening to the broadcast of Shepherds Chapel this morning ( July 14, 2008) and we are in Isaiah. Pastor Arnold Murray clearly is talking about God loving all his children, regardless of race, color or sex. As the Bible says, God is no respecter of persons.
He also states, that the elect is to help the ethnic people come to Christ as they will love and serve God. ( After there is a pruning at the end of the age of all evil )
There is no hint or whisper of racism. Being black is not a curse or sin.
God created all his children, they are his children and he created all colors, races and male and female and saw that all was good.
This I heard today on Shepherd's Chapel broadcast and this is not an anomaly, but he repeats this endlessly in his broadcasts.
All the lies in this and other columns, as these liers go around the internet to all the Christian forums to slander Shepherds Chapel need to be exposed for the lies they are.
When you stand before God you can not say you were ignorant of the facts.
People who take other peoples' words as gospel truth:
Check it out for yourself. Don't let others do your thinking for you!
I will continue to watch and listen as Shepherds Chapel gives me great peace and comfort.
Nothing that liers say give comfort or peace.
There, end of righteous indignation.



rcjames -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/14/2008 10:56:15 AM)

All the puff posts in the world will not change the fact that Arnold Murray is a heretic and a racist.

Just because a heretic preaches or teaches the truth once in a while does not make them any less of a heretic.

Satan himself speaks a lot of truth with just enough falsity to lead folks to hell, many false teachers do the same.


Thanks
RC



woodsandfield -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/14/2008 12:26:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rcjames

All the puff posts in the world will not change the fact that Arnold Murray is a heretic and a racist.

Just because a heretic preaches or teaches the truth once in a while does not make them any less of a heretic.

Satan himself speaks a lot of truth with just enough falsity to lead folks to hell, many false teachers do the same.


Yeah, and all your " misinformation " won't change the facts.
I checked out the thread on SC and what a pack of lies. I didn't need to dig too far to see that it was lies and more lies.
The smoke screen isn't working though. People tune in and listen for themselves.
If anything it gets them to dust off the family Bible and check out what he's saying.
Which is his aim; to get people reading the Bible.
Wow! what a unique concept!
And he does all that without begging for money, holding telethons or making people feel quilty about how much they're shelling out.
Even the apostles were rejected and kicked out of so-called " christian churches", so this hate campaign is par for the course. [8|]



earthless -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/14/2008 6:10:04 PM)

Since when is video, audio and written evidence a "pack of lies"?



rcjames -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/14/2008 6:12:29 PM)

As "Earthless" so adaquetely stated here and on the other thread; with all the tapes, videos, study guides, put out by Murray himself that espouse his heresy, how does anyone still cling to him.

I guess in the same way that those did when Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple was all the rage.

Just be careful when Arnold says to drink the Kool-Aid.

Thanks
RC



MysteryHat -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/15/2008 3:37:12 AM)

I use to watch Shepherd's Chapel, but after a while things got fishy. I first felt uneasy when I heard the pastor say that Cain and Abel were twins. Later on I found we disagreed about the rapture. I also disagreed with his statement that the mark of the beast is to do with mind control and not actually a mark.

And the #1 reason I think Shepherd's Chapel is a church full of false teaching is that Murray preaches that we all were regenerated from an old life. He says that every living soul once lived in the first world, with angels, but God destroyed that world once the rebellion of heaven and decided to start over, etc. I can't tell you how much false teaching comes with that story.

So, unless you want to be deceived, stay clear from it. I understand the show may seem greater than cheese grits, but take it from a former constant viewer, stay clear. It's wolves in sheep clothings.



woodsandfield -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/16/2008 7:41:31 AM)

No where does it say in the Bible that you are to attack a church. You are to discern but you are going over and above the teachings of Christ.
My pastor does not name names but documents there is no rapture theory, that the traditions of MEN made void the word of God, just as it says in the Bible.
You are so steeped in traditions of your church you are not christians but church people.
You teach that passing the plate to beg for money is Bibical and it is not.
Apostle Paul talks about preachers making merchandise of christians.
Do you even have a clue what that means?
Ignorance is not bliss.
You attack Pastor Murray because he teaches against the rapture theory.
It is not in the Bible.
Deal with it.
No other pastor openly talks against the rapture theory, against begging for money and other false teachings.
The only ones that believe your poison are people that don't study the Bible with understanding.
And that is also in the Bible: to rightly divide the word, anotherwords study with understanding.
Carm vows to go around under numerous false names and oppose Shepherd Chapel students on all the christian forums.
Some pastors are false and those that attack Shepherds chapel have not said one word that leads me to believe they know what they're talking about. If anything it is nothing but a pack of lies.
Of course the hatred ( non christian ) the hatred is because he is the only ministry I know that attacks the wolves that pretend they are shepherds.
I'm not here to argue as it has already been done and the start point is where the thread finished.
Yes, there are christians on this board but there are many false teachers and wolves to the point where being here any further would be harmful for me and a waste of time.



earthless -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/16/2008 8:04:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: woodsandfield

No where does it say in the Bible that you are to attack a church.


Judging his teaches in light of Scripture is akin to attacking the Church? What?

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ORIGINAL: woodsandfield

You are to discern but you are going over and above the teachings of Christ.
My pastor does not name names


It is biblical to name names.

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ORIGINAL: woodsandfield

but documents there is no rapture theory, that the traditions of MEN made void the word of God, just as it says in the Bible.
You are so steeped in traditions of your church you are not christians but church people.


The above is a violation of the TOS.

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ORIGINAL: woodsandfield

Some pastors are false and those that attack Shepherds chapel have not said one word that leads me to believe they know what they're talking about. If anything it is nothing but a pack of lies.
Of course the hatred ( non christian ) the hatred is because he is the only ministry I know that attacks the wolves that pretend they are shepherds.


Have fun with his racist theology.

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ORIGINAL: woodsandfield


I'm not here to argue as it has already been done and the start point is where the thread finished.
Yes, there are christians on this board but there are many false teachers and wolves to the point where being here any further would be harmful for me and a waste of time.


So this is your last post? OK, take care.



woodsandfield -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/16/2008 8:23:10 AM)

A slight correction , because I believe in the truth and telling the truth as far as humanly possible: while God loves a cheerful giver and a pastor is worth his hire, it does not say that people in a church should put up with endless plates being passed, making people feel quilty and just in every sense of the word, begging for money.
I did not want anyone to misunderstand the difference between cheerful giving and pastors and others begging for money.
As for violations on this board, a big whoop, since lying and slandering a church should be a definite violation ..if a board is actually " Christian".
[:D][:D][:D][:D] pardon the laughter



Qtman -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/16/2008 9:02:30 AM)

I have never listened to your Pastor Murray and from what I have read I do not intend to listen to him.

However, you are right about one thing. There is no such thing as a "rapture theory". By definition a theory is an idea that has not been substantiated. The rapture has been substantiated by scripture. That's right although the word "Rapture" is not used the meaning of the word is Biblical. One of the meanings of the word rapture is "the transporting of people from one place to another especially Heaven. THe Bible plainly states upon the second coming of Christ, the dead in Christ will rise first and then those that remain will be called up to be with him. Rapture is a word used to describe this.

If you do not intend to participate in the rapture I feel sorry for you.



JimboFletch -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/16/2008 9:26:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: woodsandfield
There is no hint or whisper of racism. Being black is not a curse or sin.

Do you consider me cursed and in sin to say that I think Arnold Murray is a heretic of the first order?

Just thought I'd ask. Please pardon the laughter.
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DTM -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/16/2008 1:13:27 PM)

A question I asked on another thread and still havent received and answer.

Where did A. Murray receive his degree from. And why is he afraid to disclose this information? What does he have to hide?

This inquring mind wants to know.



rcjames -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/16/2008 2:24:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DTM

A question I asked on another thread and still havent received and answer.

Where did A. Murray receive his degree from. And why is he afraid to disclose this information? What does he have to hide?

This inquring mind wants to know.


I am not sure that he has a degree, but even if he had one from where ever it would not change the fact that he teaches much heresy.

A degree doen not truth make, nor lack of one does not heresy make.

Thsnks
RC



earthless -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/16/2008 2:29:06 PM)

I agree with RC - I don't care much for degrees when it comes to preachers, necessarily. It does not equate sound doctrine.



stephanos -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/16/2008 3:51:40 PM)

The problem with Mr Murray is not if or if not he has a real degree. It is if he claims to have one and really does not. The first, is not that important, the second shows his true colors as a liar and a fraud.



woodsandfield -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/16/2008 5:01:55 PM)

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I have never listened to your Pastor Murray and from what I have read I do not intend to listen to him.


Whatever.

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However, you are right about one thing. There is no such thing as a "rapture theory". By definition a theory is an idea that has not been substantiated. The rapture has been substantiated by scripture. That's right although the word "Rapture" is not used the meaning of the word is Biblical. One of the meanings of the word rapture is "the transporting of people from one place to another especially Heaven. THe Bible plainly states upon the second coming of Christ, the dead in Christ will rise first and then those that remain will be called up to be with him. Rapture is a word used to describe this.




Hmmm...I was going to leave for good but first .. your post intrigued me, yes, you are right that Christ is coming again ...at the 7th ( the last trump ) but when the Bible says the dead will rise first, it means that when people die in Christ, they are already with Christ. To be absent from the body and present with the Lord, so says Apostle Paul. There are other references to our being with Christ in Heaven when we die in Christ, such as when the silver cord breaks, the rich man and Lazarus parable, Christ returning with an army at the 7th trump.



Qtman -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/16/2008 7:05:51 PM)

Don't stick around because of my post. I won't be here long enough to argue with you like the others have. To me its like trying to teach a oig to sing. You just wste your time and annoy the pig. So I am not going to waste my time and annoy you with my beliefs.



woodsandfield -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/16/2008 8:48:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Qtman

Don't stick around because of my post. I won't be here long enough to argue with you like the others have. To me its like trying to teach a oig to sing. You just wste your time and annoy the pig. So I am not going to waste my time and annoy you with my beliefs.


good to know what you are...couldn't tell by looking...



Qtman -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/16/2008 9:05:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: woodsandfield

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ORIGINAL: Qtman

Don't stick around because of my post. I won't be here long enough to argue with you like the others have. To me its like trying to teach a oig to sing. You just wste your time and annoy the pig. So I am not going to waste my time and annoy you with my beliefs.


good to know what you are...couldn't tell by looking...


Maybe you want to explain this. I am not at all sure what you are saying or if I would like it if I did.



benelchi -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/17/2008 10:11:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: earthless

I agree with RC - I don't care much for degrees when it comes to preachers, necessarily. It does not equate sound doctrine.


I often agree with you, but this is one area I strongly disagree.

You are absolutely right that a degree doesn't guarantee sound doctrine, but it is a protection for it. Much of the heresy being taught in the churches today gets into the churches because no one (including the pastors) has bothered to study enough to recognize the fallacy on which these false doctrines are based. A little bit of knowledge about church history, and culture in which the bible came from, and the languages in which the original manuscripts were written would greatly aid those who are responsible for protecting the flock in recognizing a lie when they are confronted with it.

If more pastors were properly trained, they might be better able to give people the tools they need to recognize the fallacies being taught by people like A. Murray. Clearly from reading your posts, you have spent a good deal of time studying, unfortunately many pastors are not as diligent. If more pastors were required to get a degree, we would at least know that they had tackled the important topics at least once, and that they had the training to know how to study if they so chose. In many churches there is not even an expectation that the pastors know these things.



Qtman -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/17/2008 10:18:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: benelchi

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ORIGINAL: earthless

I agree with RC - I don't care much for degrees when it comes to preachers, necessarily. It does not equate sound doctrine.


I often agree with you, but this is one area I strongly disagree.

You are absolutely right that a degree doesn't guarantee sound doctrine, but it is a protection for it. Much of the heresy being taught in the churches today gets into the churches because no one (including the pastors) has bothered to study enough to recognize the fallacy on which these false doctrines are based. A little bit of knowledge about church history, and culture in which the bible came from, and the languages in which the original manuscripts were written would greatly aid those who are responsible for protecting the flock in recognizing a lie when they are confronted with it.

If more pastors were properly trained, they might be better able to give people the tools they need to recognize the fallacies being taught by people like A. Murray. Clearly from reading your posts, you have spent a good deal of time studying, unfortunately many pastors are not as diligent. If more pastors were required to get a degree, we would at least know that they had tackled the important topics at least once, and that they had the training to know how to study if they so chose. In many churches there is not even an expectation that the pastors know these things.


Excellent post benelchi. I couldn't agree more.

ETA: I don't know if Rcjames has a degree or not but his post has also lead me to believe he spends a lot of time studying the word. I have grown to respect his opinion degree or not..



HighPlainsDrifter -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/17/2008 1:09:03 PM)

I'm very glad someone posted a thread on Murray here because I used to watch a little of SC later at night before bed, and knowing what I've read now about his ridiculous teachings, he'll never be on our TV anymore. My wife did some further research last night as to what he espouses and no thanks.



p31woman -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/17/2008 2:01:09 PM)

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If anything it gets them to dust off the family Bible and check out what he's saying.
Which is his aim; to get people reading the Bible.
Wow! what a unique concept!
And he does all that without begging for money, holding telethons or making people feel quilty about how much they're shelling out.
Even the apostles were rejected and kicked out of so-called " christian churches", so this hate campaign is par for the course.


This will probably fall on deaf ears, but I grew up in what amounted to a cult, and we said all the same things. We read and studied the Bible intensely, the leader said "Don't believe me - read the Bible and prove it to yourselves!", and we did... yet we were still deceived. Our television broadcasts never asked for money, all literature offered was free... yet we were still deceived. We, too, thought our difference from mainstream Christianity made us not only special like the persecuted disciples of old, but also made us the One True Church... yet we were still deceived.



stellaluna -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/17/2008 2:27:03 PM)

Found this on Wikipedia in the entry for Dr. Roy E. Gillaspie.

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Dr. Roy E. Gillaspie, was a Christian Identity preacher from Bellflower, California who is noted as being one of three Christian Identity ministers who ordained Arnold Murray, pastor of the Shepherd's Chapel in Gravette, Arkansas. Roy Gillaspie was the pastor of the Church of Jesus Christ, a white supremacist church located in Bellflower, California under the umbrella of Soldiers of the Cross (see the discussion page on Soldiers of the Cross), which was founded by former Communist party member turned Christian, Oliver Kenneth Goff (see The Encyclopedia of White Power, pg. 120). The Church of Jesus Christ was a small group of Christian Identity congregations with locations in California and Arkansas. The Gravette, Arkansas branch was pastored by Arnold Murray and was the precursor to Shepherd's Chapel[2][3] As noted in Murray's "Answer to Critics", Gillaspie is described as "a beloved teacher of God's Word".



drweeks -> RE: Shepherds Chapel a true teaching of God's word (7/19/2008 11:48:48 AM)

First of all, Pastor Murray isn't a racist .He simply teaches God created all the ethnic groups. If you will notice, even in the eternity they are people of different skin color.

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.Nations in this verse mean Ethnos .

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
We are not all one ethnic group ,which you see documentation above, but we are one in Christ.
You have to admit that God blesses the Shepherds Chapel,that little church in northwest Arkansas goes into millions of homes each day and feeds the people God's word .Pastor Murray doesn't have to beg to stay on the air. He is well suppported by our heavenly Father.People on this forum can say what they want, but the evidence is in the scriptures.



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