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RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! - 7/14/2008 11:00:02 AM
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davemiller7
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Let's all hope and pray the Harry Reed & Nancy Pelosi "led" congress will agree.
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RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! - 7/14/2008 11:03:43 AM
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jazzact13
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Good to see that there is still reason and sense amongst us.
It's not enough yet, it would seem from the article, for drilling to actually begin, but as a next step, but may be helpful.
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RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! - 7/14/2008 11:04:24 AM
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rcjames
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Ditto.
Drilling is the quickest way for relief, and we can be working on the othere possibilites to replace oil at the same time.
I have never seen it as on either or situation, and do not understand why the libs do.
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RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! - 7/14/2008 11:12:54 AM
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Zhi
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I really have difficulty understanding the stance of some people on energy.
We shouldn't offshore drill because some poorly regulated countries have had trouble with offshore drilling and have polluted.
Okay, let's build more nuclear power plants then.
Oh, we can't do nuclear power, because of Chernobyl. You know, the disaster where they had NONE of the required licensed personnel available and hadn't done the system checks they were supposed to and then did a bunch of stupid stuff on top of that, so despite the fact that we've had an excellent record in our plants that have been running for decades, we can't do that.
Okay, let's put up more windmills.
No, windmills kill birds.
Solar panels?
No, they're ugly and cover large sections of the delicate ecosystem of the deep desert.
Ethanol?
It releases greenhouse gas and we'll all starve because we're putting our food supply in our cars.
*sigh* Guess we should all just go freeze in the dark then.
It's about time we threw up our hands and said "we have to do SOMETHING!" and then actually did something. Yay!
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RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! - 7/14/2008 11:14:15 AM
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Zhi
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Honestly I'm terrified of swimming in the ocean anyway. But, I'm sure that there will be regulations and great care taken to avoid oil spills.
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RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! - 7/14/2008 11:18:50 AM
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phreddy
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When was the last time we had on offshore rig related oil spill in the US? Even in the midst of Katrina and Rita, the rigs were shutdown and caused no environmental problems. It is much better that US companies subject to US laws be doing the drilling than Chinese companies that can't even keep lead paint out of toys.
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RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! - 7/14/2008 11:21:41 AM
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I wonder how many of the oil drilling supporters are going to be happy when their kids can no longer swim in the ocean due to an oil spill.
You mean letting them swim with the fecal matter and alge and various hypodermic needles, cigaratee butts, fishing hooks, fishing line, general waste isn't enough for you to buy a swimming pool. I live in Florida, have you checked the oceans lateley?
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RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! - 7/14/2008 11:26:52 AM
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freakofnature
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I'm all for windmills and solar power
How you gonna get that big windmill on your car?
What about sail boats with wheels? I just had a great idea. What can't be create a car that uses sails, I think they already sortof have them, I don't know what they are called. But I think it is used heavily in the desert like land surfing?
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HERE one of these
I think I'm going out to buy one today!
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RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! - 7/14/2008 1:26:51 PM
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If you want an awful lot of wind I think in DC near the Capitol building or White House would put out plenty enough air for decades of wind driven energy needs. ; )
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RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! - 7/14/2008 1:41:27 PM
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Too bad we won't see a drop of oil for another 5-7 years and even then we will have to compete with China and India since the oil companies are going to sell the oil to the highest bidder.
When Clinton vetoed legislation opening up ANWR several years ago, one of his major arguments against was the whole line of logic about how long it'll take, saying that oil won't even reach market for 10 years. Well, heck, that was more than 10 years ago now, so I guess we'd be seeing ANWR oil in the marketplace about now if someone thought forward.
I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned it yet or not, but someone surely should come forward with the Democrat slogan for anything related to oil exploration. "We can't drill our way out of this mess" If you're going to disagree with exploration, this is the proper form and phraseology approved of by the DNC.
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RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! - 7/14/2008 1:47:01 PM
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I wonder how many of the oil drilling supporters are going to be happy when their kids can no longer swim in the ocean due to an oil spill.
Sometimes you just have to make a choice...swim in the ocean or keep warm. I'm going to have to think about that one.
Bob
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RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! - 7/14/2008 2:00:40 PM
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I wonder how many of the oil drilling supporters are going to be happy when their kids can no longer swim in the ocean due to an oil spill.
Sometimes you just have to make a choice...swim in the ocean or keep warm. I'm going to have to think about that one.
Bob
During the horror of Katrina, not one oil spill happened. You would think if it was going to happen, it would occur in that mess. Yet nothing.
As to drilling, I certainly think we ought to do it off shore, ANWAR and wherever else is feasible. Not just for the future but to send a message to foreign interests. But it's worth noting that the problem right now is not drilling but rather the lack of refining capabilities. I have two friends in the trucking business. One of them goes to my church, and the other is an old friend in another state. Both of them supply trucks for moving oil out of the oil fields. The problem is that the refineries cannot handle all the oil that is being drilled at present. This mess I blame squarely on those in power during the Clinton Administration and the Bush Administration, and, my friends, that includes the Republican congress as well as this current Democratic congress. I am heartily sick of all of them. We are being used (for want of a better word  ).
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RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! - 7/14/2008 2:38:45 PM
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Drilling is the quickest way for relief
No, it's not. Any crude found on the shelf will take years (perhaps as many as 15) to find, extract, and refine. There is nothing "quick" about this path.
Not to mention, US oil companies are under no obligation to funnel any newfound crude into American markets. If the price is right, they can easily ship it overseas to Asia where it will have zero impact on domestic prices here at home.
The notion of drilling our way out of the oil mess (vis-a-vis Bush's philosophy) we're in reminds me of a drug addict claiming all he needs to kick his habit are more drugs.
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RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! - 7/14/2008 2:49:01 PM
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I guess we as Americans are just going to have to suck it up and realize that paying $4 a gallon ($6? $7? or more?) is our penance for the gluttony we've exhibited over the past 40+ years, right, Todd?
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RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! - 7/14/2008 2:50:47 PM
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freakofnature
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I guess we as Americans are just going to have to suck it up and realize that paying $4 a gallon ($6? $7? or more?) is our penance for the gluttony we've exhibited over the past 40+ years, right, Todd?
Darned dirty gluttoness Americans...
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RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! - 7/14/2008 4:06:40 PM
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todd_t
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I guess we as Americans are just going to have to suck it up and realize that paying $4 a gallon ($6? $7? or more?) is our penance for the gluttony we've exhibited over the past 40+ years, right, Todd?
Actually, there are two new gluttons at the table (China and India) and Americans can't get as much heavy access to oil as they used to.
Those days are over.
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RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! - 7/14/2008 4:24:15 PM
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mapachito13
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It looks like the moratorium on drilling off shore may be coming to an end.
Too bad we won't see a drop of oil for another 5-7 years and even then we will have to compete with China and India since the oil companies are going to sell the oil to the highest bidder.
I wonder how many of the oil drilling supporters are going to be happy when their kids can no longer swim in the ocean due to an oil spill.
The beaches of So Cal especially in LA and the OC have always had offshore drilling and in 40+ years I can't remember any oil spill that has shut down a beach. They don't spoil the view all that much either because they are far enough offshore.
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RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! - 7/14/2008 4:28:13 PM
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They don't have to be over, but we need to drill and refine. Things could have been much better right now if we had drilled and built more refineries back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s.
-Dave
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I guess we as Americans are just going to have to suck it up and realize that paying $4 a gallon ($6? $7? or more?) is our penance for the gluttony we've exhibited over the past 40+ years, right, Todd?
Actually, there are two new gluttons at the table (China and India) and Americans can't get as much heavy access to oil as they used to.
Those days are over.
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RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! - 7/14/2008 4:36:14 PM
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They don't have to be over, but we need to drill and refine. Things could have been much better right now if we had drilled and built more refineries back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s.
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I guess we as Americans are just going to have to suck it up and realize that paying $4 a gallon ($6? $7? or more?) is our penance for the gluttony we've exhibited over the past 40+ years, right, Todd?
Actually, there are two new gluttons at the table (China and India) and Americans can't get as much heavy access to oil as they used to.
Those days are over.
See Dave I don't disgree with you on everything! I actually agree with you 100% on that one! We have been adrift without a sound energy policy for decades and both parties are responsible although I give the republicans credit for at least talking about drilling and if Bush ends the moratorium even if it takes a few years to see the results its a step in the right direction.
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RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! - 7/14/2008 4:42:00 PM
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Hallelujah!! I think this calls for a celebration!! I agree wholeheartedly that both parties are responsible for the mess we find ourselves in. We need to do something soon!
-Dave
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They don't have to be over, but we need to drill and refine. Things could have been much better right now if we had drilled and built more refineries back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s.
-Dave
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I guess we as Americans are just going to have to suck it up and realize that paying $4 a gallon ($6? $7? or more?) is our penance for the gluttony we've exhibited over the past 40+ years, right, Todd?
Actually, there are two new gluttons at the table (China and India) and Americans can't get as much heavy access to oil as they used to.
Those days are over.
See Dave I don't disgree with you on everything! I actually agree with you 100% on that one! We have been adrift without a sound energy policy for decades and both parties are responsible although I give the republicans credit for at least talking about drilling and if Bush ends the moratorium even if it takes a few years to see the results its a step in the right direction.
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