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loloidong -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/14/2008 6:06:43 PM)

Oh, I read people saying, it may take years till we see a drop of oil that is why we should not be drilling beause of the wait. Well, isn't the thought of the prospects of more supplying from our shore the beginning of relief? We are having this high cost of gasoline because we are not producing.

Since the market does not see us as a competitive source, the cost continues to go up. The mere fact that we are going to start drilling should give the market a different shift in supply and prices. Middle eastern suppliers are going to be forced to increase their supply and lower prices to corner their markets even way before any new oil is pumped.

If Clinton had not banned drilling, the wait would have been over and we would have contolled the markets instead of our foreign suppliers. The consequence of the actions of the Democrats has now become their talking point against supplying our own oil.

Politics 101, baby! Got to love liberty. [:D]

BTW, with the Dems propensity to obstruct and their cohort in the environmental left's ability to slow down construction even further, I am looking at a long battle any company to move ahead...

Oh, nationalizing will make it better, you mean....??? [;)]

Can somebody tell me how many light years away we are from fully utilizing alternative source of energy?



loloidong -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/14/2008 6:08:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: todd_t

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I guess we as Americans are just going to have to suck it up and realize that paying $4 a gallon ($6? $7? or more?) is our penance for the gluttony we've exhibited over the past 40+ years, right, Todd?


Actually, there are two new gluttons at the table (China and India) and Americans can't get as much heavy access to oil as they used to.

Those days are over.

They do, too. Just a little more coins needed.



colliefan -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/14/2008 6:12:49 PM)

The governments of both China and India are stoping underwriting the cost of gas in those countries, so the global demand should drop somewhat.

We need to drill but it will be interesting to see which consistuency group they favor, the environmentalists or the unions. I imagine the truckers' union would be in favor of drilling to reduce the high cost of fuels. Don't think they have yet invented the electric semi.



loloidong -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/14/2008 6:29:57 PM)

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Drilling is the quickest way for relief


No, it's not. Any crude found on the shelf will take years (perhaps as many as 15) to find, extract, and refine. There is nothing "quick" about this path.

Not to mention, US oil companies are under no obligation to funnel any newfound crude into American markets. If the price is right, they can easily ship it overseas to Asia where it will have zero impact on domestic prices here at home.

The notion of drilling our way out of the oil mess (vis-a-vis Bush's philosophy) we're in reminds me of a drug addict claiming all he needs to kick his habit are more drugs.
The notion that americans are not or will not be supplying more from their shore encourages foreign suppliers to hike up the prices. There is a lot more oil as indicated by the response to Bush's request to increase production.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24660754/

Now that they realize that the US is seriously thinking of alternative sources of energy because we are forced by high prices he then pledge to increase production.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/06/22/oil.summit/index.html

That tells us that they feel they've cornered the market. As soon as we grow the political will to drill for more, prices will keep on sharply rising.



rcjames -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/14/2008 6:35:57 PM)

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I wonder how many of the oil drilling supporters are going to be happy when their kids can no longer swim in the ocean due to an oil spill.


You mean letting them swim with the fecal matter and alge and various hypodermic needles, cigaratee butts, fishing hooks, fishing line, general waste isn't enough for you to buy a swimming pool. I live in Florida, have you checked the oceans lateley?


I was raised on the Texas Gulf Coast with thousands and thousands of drilling and production platforms offshoe (sime of them only a mile or so), never kept me off the beach.

That crud is just another strawman argument by the ecoterrorist whackos.

Thsnks
RC



Peter_Gunn -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/14/2008 7:13:56 PM)

I really think God is big enough to take care of his creation if we wisely use the resources He's put here for us to use. These enviro-wackos have talked too many people into putting the creation above the creator.

God made this earth with all the fuel we need right in it. If we tap into it, wherever it may be, I think He can handle it.



blessedinnyc -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/14/2008 7:16:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rcjames
I was raised on the Texas Gulf Coast with thousands and thousands of drilling and production platforms offshoe (sime of them only a mile or so), never kept me off the beach.

That crud is just another strawman argument by the ecoterrorist whackos.

Actually, it happened off the coast of Santa Barbara almost 40 years ago. Perhaps Texans didn't get hit with an oil spill, but Californians did- the spill really mucked up a lot of beaches.

You may disagree with these people, but you can't fault them for not wanting it to happen again.



blessedinnyc -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/14/2008 7:21:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Peter_Gunn

I really think God is big enough to take care of his creation if we wisely use the resources He's put here for us to use. These enviro-wackos have talked too many people into putting the creation above the creator.

What's so wacky about environmentalism? OK, I know some of them wear long hear and occasionally harass whaling boats, but they serve a legitimate purpose. At the very least, because of the environmentalists in the '70s, there is now more oil left for us to drill. The clean air and water acts have also saved us hundreds of billions of dollars in medical costs and made formerly polluted rivers- like the Chicago River- safe enough to swim in again. In 20 years, it will be safe to swim in the Hudson River, as well.

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God made this earth with all the fuel we need right in it. If we tap into it, wherever it may be, I think He can handle it.

It honestly seems like you're mocking God here. God gave us dominion over creation, but obviously, shouldn't we have some respect for it as well?



Peter_Gunn -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/14/2008 7:36:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

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ORIGINAL: Peter_Gunn

I really think God is big enough to take care of his creation if we wisely use the resources He's put here for us to use. These enviro-wackos have talked too many people into putting the creation above the creator.

What's so wacky about environmentalism? OK, I know some of them wear long hear and occasionally harass whaling boats, but they serve a legitimate purpose. At the very least, because of the environmentalists in the '70s, there is now more oil left for us to drill. The clean air and water acts have also saved us hundreds of billions of dollars in medical costs and made formerly polluted rivers- like the Chicago River- safe enough to swim in again. In 20 years, it will be safe to swim in the Hudson River, as well.

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God made this earth with all the fuel we need right in it. If we tap into it, wherever it may be, I think He can handle it.

It honestly seems like you're mocking God here. God gave us dominion over creation, but obviously, shouldn't we have some respect for it as well?


No, absolutely not...I am NOT mocking God and I'm not being sarcastic. I'm being totally serious. And in my previous paragraph, I said we need to "wisely" use what's he's given us. And, for that matter, he's also provided us with wind, water, etc. Oil is just one of the resources we have...and, in my opinion, we really shouldn't be putting all our eggs in the oil basket anyway. But it's plain silly to be so dependant on other countries for the bulk of our oil needs, when we have vast, untapped resources right here. And we may even have enough to bless other parts of the world to boot!

Makes me think of the parable of the talents (Matthew 25). God has given us (as in the USA) much to be stewards over and we don't do a very good job. But we're more than happy to take from others...to let others do the work and take the risks. Then we stand there with our hands out to reap the benefits.

So, in short...we need to be doing our own drilling!



iluvatar -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/14/2008 8:02:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Zhi

Honestly I'm terrified of swimming in the ocean anyway. But, I'm sure that there will be regulations and great care taken to avoid oil spills.


Just like there was great care taken to regulate oil speculation and mortgage lending practices?

-Dan.



Lizahana -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/14/2008 8:08:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: freakofnature

It looks like the moratorium on drilling off shore may be coming to an end.

Bush to lift ban on offshore drlling as early as today.

The return of common sense!

Come on Congress. Get on Board here.[:@]


Yes, let's drill it all so that there is no more left in our reserves; and on top of that, let's add to the air pollution, global warming, rather than putting money into alternative mobility! Oh, I forgot - we'd rather invade other countries for the stuff...

Gee, what a great idea.

Peace and God bless,



colliefan -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/14/2008 9:59:08 PM)

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Yes, let's drill it all so that there is no more left in our reserves


And you, oh wise one, have done a study and can say with 100% certainty we have discovered all of the USAs, not to mention the Earth's oil resources? Or do you care more for polar bears and penguins than the poor children in the third world who need corn for a simple meal! You simply have been brainwashed by the environmentalist wackos.



Lizahana -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/14/2008 10:03:46 PM)

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Yes, let's drill it all so that there is no more left in our reserves


And you, oh wise one, have done a study and can say with 100% certainty we have discovered all of the USAs, not to mention the Earth's oil resources? Or do you care more for polar bears and penguins than the poor children in the third world who need corn for a simple meal! You simply have been brainwashed by the environmentalist wackos.


What's wrong with drilling for our generation only - who cares about future generations? It's about wanting now, not about the future generations, so, who cares?

And, please explain how alternative energy hurts third world children, when they will be the most affected by global warming according the the organization that studies them the most, the UN....please explain this.

Peace and God bless,



colliefan -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/14/2008 10:14:20 PM)

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What's wrong with drilling for our generation only - who cares about future generations? It's about wanting now, not about the future generations, so, who cares?


We need to drill for both now, and in the future. We also need to work on market-based solutions for alternative fuels. Just as Henry Ford developed the Model T, someone will design its alternative in the alternative fuel market.

Our society, here in the USA, has developed, over the past 100 years on the internal combustion engine. That development has brought us the a longer life and a much easier lifestyle. The greenies want to destroy that lifestyle and return us back to the horse and buggy days.

The poored nations of the World benefit from our lifestyle. Because of effective use of resources, we can send our excess to production to the poorer nations of the world.



Lizahana -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/14/2008 10:19:13 PM)

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What's wrong with drilling for our generation only - who cares about future generations? It's about wanting now, not about the future generations, so, who cares?


We need to drill for both now, and in the future. We also need to work on market-based solutions for alternative fuels. Just as Henry Ford developed the Model T, someone will design its alternative in the alternative fuel market.

Our society, here in the USA, has developed, over the past 100 years on the internal combustion engine. That development has brought us the a longer life and a much easier lifestyle. The greenies want to destroy that lifestyle and return us back to the horse and buggy days.

The poored nations of the World benefit from our lifestyle. Because of effective use of resources, we can send our excess to production to the poorer nations of the world.


Interesting perspective, colliefan.

Yet, the UN, the organization that studies these impoverished countries the most, says the people that will suffer the most from global warming due to our extravagent lifestyles (and yes, believe it or not, being 'mobile' is extravagent) will be the third world countries. And you are trying to say the 'greenies' do not care for these people?! Please....

Peace and God bless,



mapachito13 -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/14/2008 10:58:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

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ORIGINAL: rcjames
I was raised on the Texas Gulf Coast with thousands and thousands of drilling and production platforms offshoe (sime of them only a mile or so), never kept me off the beach.

That crud is just another strawman argument by the ecoterrorist whackos.

Actually, it happened off the coast of Santa Barbara almost 40 years ago. Perhaps Texans didn't get hit with an oil spill, but Californians did- the spill really mucked up a lot of beaches.

You may disagree with these people, but you can't fault them for not wanting it to happen again.


And the oil is still there keeping people off CA beaches? Not with all the out of state plates I've been seeing this summer at the shores! Come out and drive Pacific Coast Highway it's entire length and see how BEAUTIFUL the coast is. As long as over six hundred miles of twisting road doesn't make you [:'(] It just might if I'm driving! Vroom! Vroom! [sm=car.gif]

Also, once in 40 years! We have earthquakes on a greater frequency than that! I'm all for outlawing them!



colliefan -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/14/2008 11:13:58 PM)

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Yet, the UN, the organization that studies these impoverished countries the most, says the people that will suffer the most from global warming due to our extravagent lifestyles (and yes, believe it or not, being 'mobile' is extravagent) will be the third world countries. And you are trying to say the 'greenies' do not care for these people?! Please....


And what natiom sends the most food to the poorer nations of the world.
So you would have us go back to horse and buggy days and leave horse manure along the side of the road? Please.

And who pushed for the corn-based ethanol KNOWING it is ineffiecent. That it removes something that was intended for food and pushed to be used as fuel. Because most of the greenies are also pro-choise and part of the zero population movement I believe they value their agenda over people.

If they cared about people, they would see the poor have access to cheap refigeration. Instead, they banned freon.

If they cared about the elimination of malaria, they would push for the proper use of DDT rather than its total ban.

They want to push for nature based fuels, further pushing land that could be used for growing food to growing produce for fuel.

The rich will pay for their sins against the earth by buying carbon credits which do nothing other to make Pope Albore and his minions richer.

Meanwhile, the NEA continues to produce individuals such as yourself who believe in the lie of global warming and that America is an evil country.



Lizahana -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/14/2008 11:32:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: colliefan

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Yet, the UN, the organization that studies these impoverished countries the most, says the people that will suffer the most from global warming due to our extravagent lifestyles (and yes, believe it or not, being 'mobile' is extravagent) will be the third world countries. And you are trying to say the 'greenies' do not care for these people?! Please....


And what natiom sends the most food to the poorer nations of the world.
So you would have us go back to horse and buggy days and leave horse manure along the side of the road? Please.

And who pushed for the corn-based ethanol KNOWING it is ineffiecent. That it removes something that was intended for food and pushed to be used as fuel. Because most of the greenies are also pro-choise and part of the zero population movement I believe they value their agenda over people.

If they cared about people, they would see the poor have access to cheap refigeration. Instead, they banned freon.

If they cared about the elimination of malaria, they would push for the proper use of DDT rather than its total ban.

They want to push for nature based fuels, further pushing land that could be used for growing food to growing produce for fuel.

The rich will pay for their sins against the earth by buying carbon credits which do nothing other to make Pope Albore and his minions richer.

Meanwhile, the NEA continues to produce individuals such as yourself who believe in the lie of global warming and that America is an evil country.


colliefan,

There are many organizations that bring refrigeration thru UN funded efforts. The use of DDT is hugely controversial - usage that includes an increase of cancer, diabetes and asthma. And the UN has started using it since 2006.

And what right have you to say that I think this country is evil? Just because I exercise my right of freedom of speech in NO WAY presupposes me that I, in any way believe this country is evil. I have never said such - show me where I have, colliefan. Isn't this a violation of TOS to say such things?

Peace and God bless,



1dblthnk02 -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/14/2008 11:32:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: freakofnature
The return of common sense!

. . . Is still a long, long way off.
First, the Bush administration refuses to follow any sort of responsible EPA guidelines in order to deal with global warming opting instead to "invest in renewable and alternate energy technologies."
So, how do they accomplish this?: drill for more oil.

What a load of hogwash. Anyone who cannot see the duplicity does not want to see it through the veil of their own reckless cupidity.



Sophie11 -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/15/2008 12:48:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lizahana

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ORIGINAL: colliefan

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Yes, let's drill it all so that there is no more left in our reserves


And you, oh wise one, have done a study and can say with 100% certainty we have discovered all of the USAs, not to mention the Earth's oil resources? Or do you care more for polar bears and penguins than the poor children in the third world who need corn for a simple meal! You simply have been brainwashed by the environmentalist wackos.


What's wrong with drilling for our generation only - who cares about future generations? It's about wanting now, not about the future generations, so, who cares?

And, please explain how alternative energy hurts third world children, when they will be the most affected by global warming according the the organization that studies them the most, the UN....please explain this.

Peace and God bless,


Aaahhh, [8|]. I'm gonna have to be careful to try and keep my eyes from rolling too far back on this one lest my husband think I'm having a serious medical problem.

The UN, yes a wonderful, trustworthy, truly stand-up organization. Of course they only want what is best for the world, it could be nothing to do with hoping to gain more control and power by pushing global warming. Nooooooo. [8|]



mapachito13 -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/15/2008 8:30:46 AM)

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Yes, let's drill it all so that there is no more left in our reserves


And you, oh wise one, have done a study and can say with 100% certainty we have discovered all of the USAs, not to mention the Earth's oil resources? Or do you care more for polar bears and penguins than the poor children in the third world who need corn for a simple meal! You simply have been brainwashed by the environmentalist wackos.


That's because all the "pro" environment people still erroneously think of oil as a "fossil fuel" instread of how the Russians think of it as a substance that the earth produces naturally - the abiotic theory. The Russians now have enough oil to fuel national consumption and export. Where are we? Still importing most of our oil and t the mercy of the oil companies and terrorist states. [8|]

I look forward to the day when we can tell the Saudis and Hugo Chavez what to do with their oil!



Sophie11 -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/15/2008 8:48:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mapachito13

I look forward to the day when we can tell the Saudis and Hugo Chavez what to do with their oil!


As do I!

I doubt our government would ever do that, but I hope so!



phreddy -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/15/2008 8:52:36 AM)

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Drilling is the quickest way for relief




Not to mention, US oil companies are under no obligation to funnel any newfound crude into American markets. If the price is right, they can easily ship it overseas to Asia where it will have zero impact on domestic prices here at home.





The oil does not have to be earmarked for the only US market to affect our prices. Any new supply in the world market will affect world prices. Goes back to good old high school economics.



EStan -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/15/2008 9:34:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: 1dblthnk02

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ORIGINAL: freakofnature
The return of common sense!

. . . Is still a long, long way off.
First, the Bush administration refuses to follow any sort of responsible EPA guidelines in order to deal with global warming opting instead to "invest in renewable and alternate energy technologies."
So, how do they accomplish this?: drill for more oil.

What a load of hogwash. Anyone who cannot see the duplicity does not want to see it through the veil of their own reckless cupidity.


Wow! you learn something new everyday - I'd never even heard the word "cupidity" [;)]



freakofnature -> RE: Let the Drilling Begin!!!! (7/15/2008 9:54:13 AM)

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. . . Is still a long, long way off.
First, the Bush administration refuses to follow any sort of responsible EPA guidelines in order to deal with global warming opting instead to "invest in renewable and alternate energy technologies."
So, how do they accomplish this?: drill for more oil.

What a load of hogwash. Anyone who cannot see the duplicity does not want to see it through the veil of their own reckless cupidity.


Hold On! I'm taking off the veil right now....Give me a minute....Dope-de-dope de-dope dope dope dope dooo...(clock ticking) Dope tedee dope dope dope dope.... AHHHHH! PUTTING VEIL BACK ON... VEIL BACK ON!!!! (heavy breathing) Still see a problem... $4.25 for a gallon of gas.

Double think! You should probably give this another thought! Jus' sayin'. I mean, I don't know where you live, but where I'm at, $4.25/gallon is a problem. There are several companies working on alternatives. There is money in alternatives but you just don't hear much about them because the media would rather perpetuate the myth that the world is falling apart and the sky is falling. If we drill for oil earnst-while working out alternatives, my kids hopefully won't be paying $20.00 a gallon by the time they are old enough to drive.



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