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JonCo54 -> Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/14/2008 5:27:11 PM)

Virtualisation is a technology that can work wonders: provide a testing environment, enhance your processing power, consolidate your computing resources, decrease running costs, preserve legacy apps and more! Here’s how virtualisation can benefit you and why the Linux route really beats out the competition. Read the full story here. http://www.itwire.com/content/view/19418/1141/



MENU4EVR -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/14/2008 11:06:45 PM)

I have heard of this but how do I try it?Plus I have never played with linux but I heard its great



JonCo54 -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/15/2008 8:21:44 AM)

If you have never used Linux but would like try it. It is really quite easy.
To start you need to do this.

1. Choose a download location closest to you and save the ISO image to a folder from here.
http://www.pclinuxos.com/index.php?option=com_ionfiles&Itemid=28

2. Use the Burn Image To Disk option in Nero.

3. After the burn is complete leave the Cd in the tray and reboot your system.

4. When the boot screen appears select Run From Live CD and hit enter.

5. Answer a few questions for setting up the timezone and internet connection. if your not sure just keep hitting enter.

6. At the log in screen type guest for the username and guest for the password.

7. This will bring you to the Desktop and from there you can surf the net send emails etc. all from the live cd.

8. If you decide you like it you can then choose to install it to the Hard Drive by selecting the install icon on the desktop.

Enjoy



DaveW -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/15/2008 11:13:16 AM)

You have to go into your bios and allow booting from the CD Rom drive, and make sure that is listed in order BEFORE the hard drive. Most systems do not come that way as default settings.



JonCo54 -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/15/2008 11:26:46 AM)

Thanks for the extra info DaveW, it's one that I missed.



cversion7 -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/15/2008 12:29:01 PM)

The response to boot from a Linux LiveCD is not really what the article you posted is talking about (which was Virtualization).

There are two virtualization softwares I would recommend: VirtualPC and VirtualBox. They each have their positives and negatives, but for me it boils down to Windows vs. Linux (if running a Windows OS already, VirtualBox if already on Linux). VirtualPC will (in some cases) handle an install of another Windows Operating System better than VirtualBox mainly since it is Microsoft software (although free). If you want to run Linux in a virtual machine, then VirtualBox is the better choice as VirtualPC will not be able to support it as well and may lose some functionality.

They are both easy programs to install and setup of a virtual machine is pretty simple (both should have good help instructions if needed). As long as you have a legal copy of Windows (typically one different from what you already run) or a Linux distro (or few) to try, then setup is pretty straightforward.

What these programs do is allow you to run another operating system "virtually" in a window. It has its own hard drive space and hardware so it will not interfere with your current programs or anything. It doesn't require partitioning your current hard drive or worry about accidentally losing your files/programs. There are limitations to running an O/S virtually, but typically only limited by not running 3D applications (such as games) due to it having a virtual video card.

The benefits are that you can easily try another operating system such as Linux and see all that it has to offer without having to even restart your computer and with no fear of losing any data that you already have. Personally, I have grown weary of dual booting as it is just too tedious to do continually.

@JonCo54 - I'm not trying to follow all of your threads just to contradict you, you're just vocal about Linux and it's a topic I enjoy. In addition, I might actually virtualize a PCLinuxOS install after all of your plugging. :D



JonCo54 -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/15/2008 12:44:21 PM)

Thanks for the compliment. Even though this thread started out as virtualization some people need to know a few basics first and then proceed. Your input is greatly appreciated.



JonCo54 -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/15/2008 1:31:50 PM)

New Linux kernel expands virtualisation support.

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39447469,00.htm



cversion7 -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/15/2008 1:38:35 PM)

For some reason, the virtualization that is described in the article looks like it would be an improvement if you are running Linux and want to virtualize another O/S. What I don't understand is whether you would see an improvement currently if using VirtualBox or if it requires some other sort of virtualization method that I'm not aware of.

Good stuff, though!



JonCo54 -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/15/2008 3:57:46 PM)

Running Windows In PCLinuxOS (VirtualBox)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XGtByIgRgIg

This is just an example of the possibilities.



cwb -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/15/2008 11:43:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaveW

You have to go into your bios and allow booting from the CD Rom drive, and make sure that is listed in order BEFORE the hard drive. Most systems do not come that way as default settings.

I've never heard of a computer that did NOT have boot from ODD as the FIRST option by default unless it's an older machine, which occasionally has floppy drive boot seek, then optical, ...

Don't believe it? Go to bios, set bios settings to 'default', and see what the first boot option defaults to - [floppy], then optical drive, then other devices HS, SCSI, network, usb, etc., ...



cversion7 -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/16/2008 11:04:20 AM)

Just turned on a brand new pc I built this morning.

Boot order in BIOS:
Floppy
Hard Drive
CD

So some still have to be set for CD boot.



JonCo54 -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/16/2008 11:39:37 AM)

I bought a new M/B for my computer and had to do the the same. LOL



cwb -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/17/2008 12:56:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JonCo54

I bought a new M/B for my computer and had to do the the same. LOL


quote:

ORIGINAL: cversion7

Just turned on a brand new pc I built this morning.

Boot order in BIOS:
Floppy
Hard Drive
CD

So some still have to be set for CD boot.


That's pretty interesting. What m/b's did you each buy for your build?



JonCo54 -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/17/2008 1:10:20 PM)

Since a socket 478 is getting harder to come by.

Asrock P4i65G Socket 478 Intel 865G + ICH5 Chipset Dual Channel DDR 400 2xSATA Integrated Video AGP 8X 5.1 Channel Audio Lan $69.99



cwb -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/17/2008 1:21:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JonCo54

Since a socket 478 is getting harder to come by.

Asrock P4i65G Socket 478 Intel 865G + ICH5 Chipset Dual Channel DDR 400 2xSATA Integrated Video AGP 8X 5.1 Channel Audio Lan $69.99


I just googled 2 pages, and only 3 links said optical drive comes before HDD by default. All the others said default is floppy (why?), then HDD, then ODD.[sm=sadquestion.gif] I had one computer that would ALWAYS tell me to remove 'non-system disk' (a CD I might have left in the drive), when I would turn it on.



cversion7 -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/17/2008 1:25:18 PM)

MSI K9VGM-V K8M890



Rivermoon -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/17/2008 6:00:02 PM)

Hi CWB,

It's just the setting to be defaulted in the BIOS setting. I used to be a BIOS programmer, so I know that BIOS code only comes from a few BIOS developers, such as AWARD, PHOENIX, etc. Then each motherboard manufacturer will buy the BIOS source code from one of these BIOS developers. But they can't just use the code straight away to manufacture the motherboard, as they need to customize the BIOS code to fit the motherboard design (delete code, or add new feature, or change the default BIOS settings from the original BIOS code settings), so the motherboard manufacturer has the liberty to set which peripheral can be set as the default bootup device. That explains why some motherboard set the CD drive, HDD, floopy or even USB device as the default first boot-up device.

Regards,
Rivermoon.



JonCo54 -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/17/2008 6:51:45 PM)

Welcome to the forum and this thread Rivermoon. That explains the different settings. I see your in Toronto, I'm not far away in Hamilton.



Rivermoon -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/17/2008 7:08:17 PM)

Yeah, I can see that you are a Linux fan. Me too, grew from a Unix generation, love Unix, Linux, and truly want to throw any MS OS out of the windows, except for the DOS. :-P Never have a chance to lay my hand on Mac, so would love to give it a try. :-D Glad to meet so many Linux fans here. :-)



JonCo54 -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/17/2008 7:50:55 PM)

Yes I started using Linux about a year and a half ago. Thanks to Vista I switched. What is your current Linux flavor?

There are a couple of Linux users here but still a lot of M$ users. I believe once they see just how good Linux actually is. They'll wonder why they are still using an outdated and bloated OS. Thanks for the support.

Regards,
Jon



Rivermoon -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/17/2008 8:58:39 PM)

I have installed Fedora and Ubintu. Well, I always have the heart and hope on Linux, but just don't have time to invest on it. So my experience is just limited on general usage and installation. :-P
Most of the users only use a small portion of the MS OS. As for those more IT-inclined, they feel stuck at XP or Vista, as it's just kinda difficult to freely use Linux in daily work. Most offices are using MS OS, regardless how old the OS is, and everyone is so stuck in using MS Office. As for students, as I'm a full-time student, the university just uses MS OS and esp. Office, so there's no freedom to use other OS at their liberty. Quite a portion of the students can use MAC, as there's a MAC support on MS Office. As gamers are stuck on using MS OS, as all the hit games only can be run on MS OS. I am truly looking forward to the turning of tide one day. It needs all of us to contribute to turn the tide. Well, even though I know it's easy to say, and so difficult to do. :-P *enough rambling*



JonCo54 -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/17/2008 9:09:03 PM)

If you get time check out a few of the Linux websites. You wouldn't believe how many school systems ares switching to Linux in countries other than N.A. There are a few districts in the states that are making the switch. It is just a matter of time.



semperfidelis -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/17/2008 9:21:31 PM)

Since I had to do some cross platform work at work, my employer has let me keep my linux-based box and let me use a virtual machine (WinXP) for all my development work. If you combine this idea with me accessing a terminal server, I have roughly 3 desktops accessible through two windows and the linux desktop.

Oh, and we run around 8 vmware images on a nice big server. Everything from linux to XP32, XP64, 2k3 32, 2k3 64, a couple extra XP images, and soon... 2k8



Rivermoon -> RE: Linux based virtualisation – the way to save money and go green (7/17/2008 9:26:11 PM)

Well, I never know that. But it's a truly a good sign. :-D Let the future generation overturns the Microsoft domination *sorry, what a curse!!! :-P* But it's true, as investment on Linux system is much cheaper, as even older generation of PC can be used, and the OS can be obtained free. I truly hope once the future generation is exposed to the Linux, and it will form a powerful force to push Linux to the forefront. :-D Even a market scenario that MS OS, MAC OS, and Linux OS have equal share is good enough for us. Just want to state I don't hate MS, I just don't think such a bloating OS should be the only option for users to choose from.



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