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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/17/2008 2:25:32 PM
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WesP
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Thanks!
Well, in that case, even thought I know you are being sarcastic and in denial about it, you are welcome. Is there something wrong with being a professor, or teacher, or experienced and knowledgable?
You have managed, again, to misquote me: Where did I state how ignorant people are? And must you prove it?
Again, my apologies. I am not as legalistic with my definitions as you are. I was using synonyms, and I still was not quoting you. Truly, I am not trying to demean you or twist your words. I would like some further clarification other than broad statements. Furthermore, I said nothing bad about teachers, etc. I just meant that you stated an opinion with nothing to explain, argue, or justify. It sorta makes discussion difficult.
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/17/2008 3:05:32 PM
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This topic is already being discussed in another thread and has been for awhile now ...........Christian Doctrine ........ but I guess the attachment of an inanimate object will throw even more confusion into an already over-burdened and misunderstood topic.
POSSESSION may be 9/10's of the law, but not applicable to Biblical "law"
The word, according to the original Greek, would best be translated
'demonized', which is not the same as possessed.
OK, well here is my original post. I stated that this subject is already overburdened and misunderstood. I stand by that. It is not an opinion, but rather fact as can be seen from the postings on this and the other thread I drew attention to. There are divergent OPINIONS on this subject and all too often conclusions are drawn from personal resources, ie. heresay, experience, somone elses' experience, fear, misinterpretation and so on.
I have not really stated an opinion on my original post, but rather the FACT that another thread had been started with largely the same discussion.
For the record, let me state that I am of the opinion that it cannot be proven from Scripture, that a Christian cannot be demonized, which, again is the correct interpretation of the word 'daimonizomai' (Greek) and which has been covered in the other thread. And, to engender further interest, not by me. So again, start with the correct interpretation and discuss from there.
My 'legalistic' definitions are actually accurate, not my own, but certainly the platform from which to begin a discussion if one wants to actually arrive at a correct conclusion.
In the colloquial language of the day, if you start wrong baby, you ain't gonna arrive right.
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/17/2008 3:12:55 PM
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A christian cannot be possessed by demons. However he can be influenced or tempted by them.
Back to "the devil made me do it" argument.
LOL, we have to exercise self-control. When we'll be face to face with God, no excuses will be acceptable for our actions.... or inaction.
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/17/2008 3:14:53 PM
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/17/2008 3:19:36 PM
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I did 'get' your point. Truly.
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/17/2008 3:22:01 PM
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LINK TO OFF TOPIC THREAD That was the reason I started this thread. I put it in the same folder and the other thread, as so many people won't venture into the theology folder.
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian an inanimate object? - 7/17/2008 3:22:18 PM
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I do not believe a Christian can be possessed by a demon (Matt 12).
And I can find no Scripture whatsoever that speaks to an inanimate object being possessed by a demon.
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian an inanimate object? - 7/17/2008 4:31:15 PM
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I do not believe a Christian can be possessed by a demon (Matt 12).
And I can find no Scripture whatsoever that speaks to an inanimate object being possessed by a demon.
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RC
I agree. Even the golden calf was not posessed.
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian an inanimate object? - 7/17/2008 4:39:31 PM
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I agree. Even the golden calf was not posessed.
I've heard it preached that it actually was, based on Aaron's statement So I said to them, 'Let any who have gold take it off.' So they gave it to me, and I threw it into the fire, and out came this calf." Exodus 32:24
(ESV)
However back in 32:4 it says And he received the gold from their hand and fashioned it with a graving tool and made a golden calf.(ESV)
I think their view was Aaron just touched it up after it jumped out of the fire under demonic power. I don't believe it, just FYI.
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian an inanimate object? - 7/17/2008 4:42:40 PM
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What about the bronze snake on the poll?
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian an inanimate object? - 7/17/2008 7:01:01 PM
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It is my personal unlearned opinion(I wouldn't want Wes to let me have it  ) that a Christian can not be possessed by a demon.
However, they can tempt us, and pester us, and demonize us as some have already stated. Paul tells us in Ephesians 6
12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.(NIV)
or the NLT
12 For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.
NKJV
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
On the inanimate objects question, I have no idea if a demon can possess something, and have seen no scripture to say otherwise. I do have a lot left to read though, but don't believe I will find anything regarding that. Is it possible for a demon to move inanimate objects, maybe, but I really don't know. Like I said, unlearned  .
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/17/2008 7:51:29 PM
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I do not think Christians can be possessed with a demon.
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian an inanimate object? - 7/17/2008 9:13:48 PM
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To anyone who disputes that demons can possess, influence, or move an object at all, I have two questions:
1. Have you ever seen stuff float in the air or talked to eye witnesses who have, as a result of demonic activity? Disbelieve all you like, and state all you want your own interpretations, but when experience trumps an interpretation of what the Bible says or does not say, we're in danger of being extremely foolish.
I have talked to eye witnesses who had been skeptics. They've seen objects floating around the room. They've also seen the demons commanded to put the objects back down. And these are normal sane people who, prior to some of this, were not ignorant or overly knowledgeable of these situations.
2. If the object is not possessed or a demon would not pick up an object and make it move around, how do you explain this happening?
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian an inanimate object? - 7/17/2008 9:29:54 PM
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I think there is a very big difference between a demon actually possessing some "thing" and a demon physically manipulating objects.
I also think that it's easy to see what isn't there when we look too hard. I'm not disputing demonic activity. I have seen it myself. I just think that there is a segment in the church who give satan waaaaaaay too much credit.
As far as possession - I don't believe possession is a common thing in the world. It certainly wasn't in Scripture. I think too often we ascribe to the enemy things that are nothing more than results of the Fall. Jesus didn't cast demons out of people just because they were sinners. He didn't cast demons out of people because they had physical infirmities. As far as possessing believers? When we are born again, we are no longer "slaves to sin". Our old nature has been transformed. How could a believer be controlled by demons then?
Yes, satan is real and yes, he does tempt us. He tempted Jesus! However, Jesus tells us that NO temptation has seized us except what is common to man and we will NEVER be tempted beyond what we can bear. Demons are not an excuse. And blaming demons for our own wretched nature is simply wrong.
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian an inanimate object? - 7/17/2008 10:23:12 PM
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I don't see how a demon could possess an Christian--if the Spirit is in us how can a demon be there too? I can see how demons can taunt us and cause some misery but bottom line is we got the POWER!
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/17/2008 11:24:43 PM
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They went to Capernaum, and when the Sabbath came, Jesus went into the synagogue and began to teach. The people were amazed at his teaching, because he taught them as one who had authority, not as the teachers of the law. Just then a man in their synagogue who was possessed by an evil [a] spirit cried out, "What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God!"
"Be quiet!" said Jesus sternly. "Come out of him!" 26 The evil spirit shook the man violently and came out of him with a shriek.
Mark 1:21-28
^I believe that whoever has Jesus in their lives, in their hearts, a demon cannot reign in their bodies. Take this scripture for instance. All Jesus had to say was "Come out of him!" And demons left. They don't want to hang around when Jesus is around. So why would demons want to possess a body who has Jesus in their lives?
I'm not saying no one can get possessed. Many people can. If Jesus is not in your heart, then you can get possessed. But I have Jesus' blood that was washed over me, and nothing can harm me.
But demons can do other things to you. Not possess you (if you ARE a christian that is), Demons can affect our behaviour, our thinking, our perception. A demon cannot possess a Christian, but they can manipulate us.
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