RE: McCain's Attack on Obama Not Visiting the Troops in Germany Lacks Evidence
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RE: McCain's Attack on Obama Not Visiting the Troops in... - 8/2/2008 11:11:15 AM
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henny
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The issue with McCain's ad is that they claimed that Obama canceled the visit because he couldn't bring media with him, a claim which is false, and which the blogger for McCain's website latter admitted was false. But the McCain camp continued to make the accusation in the media, despite its having no evidence, and they've been unable to back this claim up with any evidence when asked to present it.
I think what caused the mixup and hesitancy in this case was that, while Obama did visit wounded troops in Afghanastan and Iraq, he did so as a part of a congressional delegation. However, he was in Germany on his own dime funded by his campaign, which I think is why they decided not to go when the pentagon called the Obama camp earlier in the week to inform them of the constraints of what would be considered a political visit and what wouldn't be considered one.
I don't think they handled the situation very well from a PR stand point, but I think his decision not to go ultimately was a smart one. His trip was so huge in the media spotlight that no matter how low key about it he attempted to be, I don't think he could have gone without it being perceived as political. And I gaurantee you that he would have been criticized had he gone on his own dime and not as a part of an official delegation -no matter how low key he was about it. After the success of his trip, the McCain camp had to criticize him on something, if it wasn't this it would be something else. So I think the fact that McCain was forced to try to make a mountain out of such a mole hill as this, and be misleading about it on top of that (i.e. with their unsupported claims about Obama suppossedly wanting to bring media) says more about McCain than Obama.
I think the only thing Obama could be criticized on the issue is perhaps that he scheduled the trip in the first plce -which definitely wasn't smart on the part of his campaign- and that I don't think they gave a full explanation for why the trip was canceled soon enough, but I think he ultimately made the right decision in not going.
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RE: McCain's Attack on Obama Not Visiting the Troops in... - 8/2/2008 11:46:24 AM
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inthysite
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I think the only thing Obama could be criticized on the issue is perhaps that he scheduled the trip in the first plce -which definitely wasn't smart on the part of his campaign- and that I don't think they gave a full explanation for why the trip was canceled soon enough, but I think he ultimately made the right decision in not going.
I honestly must say that I disagree with you on this. NObama's whole trip was orchestrated to be a big media bump for him. From his trip to Iraq (so he could finally shut up McCain and everyone else who challenged him to go), to his big speech in Berlin at the Brandenburg Gate where up to now only US presidents have been given the honor of speaking, to his prayer at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, which spawned the controversy of his published prayer that he released to the press and authorized it's publication.
As stated by the link given earlier the stop at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center was listed on the itinerary given to the press, so it was scheduled as part of their campaign trip. Not to mention that they had to tell the media that the stop at the hospital was canceled, as if they were expecting to attend. So you cannot tell me that NObama had no intention of bringing the press when every other item on that list was a big media event.
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RE: McCain's Attack on Obama Not Visiting the Troops in... - 8/2/2008 12:02:36 PM
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Here's what I would suggest for an Obama ad:
A wounded warrior from the hospital in Germany, reading a letter:
Dear Senator Obama,
I am writing you tell you how disappointed I am that you didn't visit us while you were in Germany. John McCain was right. You should have come and seen us. Because if you had, I would have thanked you for supporting the New GI Bill. A bill that John McCain opposed. He wants me to have to reenlist - something I cannot do because of my physical limitations - in order to get full educational benefits. He's more concerned about "hurting the military" than helping the troops who served in combat and sacrificed. This is all in spite of the fact that he gets almost $60k a year in government benefits because of his service in Vietnam. Thanks to you and your collegues who supported this bill, Senator, when I leave here, I can go to college as well as raise a family and continue serving our nation. But you weren't here for me to shake your hand and tell you that in person, and for that, I am very disappointed.
Signed, A Wounded Warrior.
- Julius
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RE: McCain's Attack on Obama Not Visiting the Troops in... - 8/2/2008 12:23:14 PM
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John McCain has been a leader in Congress, fighting for all those who serve and their families, improving veterans' health care, providing veterans with the benefits they have earned, easing their transition to civilian life, and honoring the fallen.
He worked to increase pay scales for servicemen and women during both the Persian Gulf War and the current War on Terror and to increase enlistment and reenlistment bonuses for reservists and guardsmen. He also sponsored bills to give special tax relief to deployed service members and to set up overseas savings programs for the men and women fighting in the Gulf War.
John McCain has supported legislation to expand retirement benefits for reservists, supported provisions to expand eligibility for health care benefits for reservists and their families, and sponsored legislation to grant survivor benefit payments to the spouses of reservists who die during or as the result of training.
John McCain believes that America's veterans who dedicated themselves to protecting our country deserve the highest quality health care. He is committed to ensuring that veterans' health care programs receive the funding necessary to provide the quality health care our veterans need and deserve. He has worked to ensure that the Veteran's Affairs provides care for all eligible veterans, no matter where they live or what they need. In addition, John McCain has fought to ensure that retired servicemen and women have meaningful access to affordable health care.
John McCain strongly believes that it is our duty as a nation to provide our veterans, who dedicated their careers, risked their personal safety, and sometimes sacrificed their lives in order to protect us, with the benefits that we have promised them and that they have earned.
John McCain has been a leading advocate in the Senate for disabled veterans throughout his entire career. He fought for nearly fifteen years, introducing numerous bills, to ensure that veterans with service-connected disabilities can receive the retirement benefits that they have earned, as well as the disability compensation benefits that they are entitled
John McCain believes very strongly that service members who suffered permanent injuries in service to our nation should not be forced to give up their disability compensation in order to collect their retirement pay. For this reason, John McCain has been a staunch supporter of repealing the historic ban on receiving both disability and retirement pay at the same time.
Commitment to America's Service Members: Past and Present
Yeah, sounds like McCain wants to hurt our military alright! 
What has NObama done for our troops?
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RE: McCain's Attack on Obama Not Visiting the Troops in... - 8/2/2008 12:42:11 PM
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saved9201
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ORIGINAL: inthysite
John McCain has been a leader in Congress, fighting for all those who serve and their families, improving veterans' health care, providing veterans with the benefits they have earned, easing their transition to civilian life, and honoring the fallen.
He worked to increase pay scales for servicemen and women during both the Persian Gulf War and the current War on Terror and to increase enlistment and reenlistment bonuses for reservists and guardsmen. He also sponsored bills to give special tax relief to deployed service members and to set up overseas savings programs for the men and women fighting in the Gulf War.
John McCain has supported legislation to expand retirement benefits for reservists, supported provisions to expand eligibility for health care benefits for reservists and their families, and sponsored legislation to grant survivor benefit payments to the spouses of reservists who die during or as the result of training.
John McCain believes that America's veterans who dedicated themselves to protecting our country deserve the highest quality health care. He is committed to ensuring that veterans' health care programs receive the funding necessary to provide the quality health care our veterans need and deserve. He has worked to ensure that the Veteran's Affairs provides care for all eligible veterans, no matter where they live or what they need. In addition, John McCain has fought to ensure that retired servicemen and women have meaningful access to affordable health care.
John McCain strongly believes that it is our duty as a nation to provide our veterans, who dedicated their careers, risked their personal safety, and sometimes sacrificed their lives in order to protect us, with the benefits that we have promised them and that they have earned.
John McCain has been a leading advocate in the Senate for disabled veterans throughout his entire career. He fought for nearly fifteen years, introducing numerous bills, to ensure that veterans with service-connected disabilities can receive the retirement benefits that they have earned, as well as the disability compensation benefits that they are entitled
John McCain believes very strongly that service members who suffered permanent injuries in service to our nation should not be forced to give up their disability compensation in order to collect their retirement pay. For this reason, John McCain has been a staunch supporter of repealing the historic ban on receiving both disability and retirement pay at the same time.
Commitment to America's Service Members: Past and Present
Yeah, sounds like McCain wants to hurt our military alright!
What has NObama done for our troops?
Ummmmmm.
I think I like my ad better.
-Julius
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