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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 4:30:19 PM
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Jhud
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By pointing out that Phelps is faster than other swimmers, you are pointing out that the other swimmers are SLOWER than Phelps.
You are NOT calling Phelps superior to other swimmers (and thus, those iother swimmers inferior to Phelps), as you did call McCain superior - your choice of words - to Obama.
Trying to slip in 'faster' as analogous to 'superior' - a rhetorical sleight of hand amounting to a straw man.
Actually, faster is analogous to superior - faster indicates superior speed.
I suppose could have written, "But even with the effort McCain has put forward (however minimal you see it) it goes farther then anything done by anyone else running for President.", but I assumed you would know the other candidates anyway. My mistake.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 4:49:21 PM
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An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.
What is a troll?
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 5:00:01 PM
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By pointing out that Phelps is faster than other swimmers, you are pointing out that the other swimmers are SLOWER than Phelps.
You are NOT calling Phelps superior to other swimmers (and thus, those iother swimmers inferior to Phelps), as you did call McCain superior - your choice of words - to Obama.
Trying to slip in 'faster' as analogous to 'superior' - a rhetorical sleight of hand amounting to a straw man.
Actually, faster is analogous to superior - faster indicates superior speed.
I suppose could have written, "But even with the effort McCain has put forward (however minimal you see it) it goes farther then anything done by anyone else running for President.", but I assumed you would know the other candidates anyway. My mistake.
So, even after having the fact of your false analogy called to your attention, you intend to continue pushing it.
Soldier on.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 5:01:36 PM
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An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.
What is a troll?
Would that include labelling someone 'pro-abortion' whose every post has been 'anti-abortion' - whie knowing such a labelling to be a calculated insult?
Just asking.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 5:03:01 PM
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Jhud
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So, even after having the fact of your false analogy called to your attention, you intend to continue pushing it.
Soldier on.
Only after I demonstrated it's an excellent analogy.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 6:44:34 PM
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I do believe we have a troll, or several trolls, in here. Good post, inthysite!
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An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.
What is a troll?
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 6:51:41 PM
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I do believe we have a troll, or several trolls, in here. Good post, inthysite!
-Dave
According to the same reference I gave above:
Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore him or her, because responding tends to encourage trolls to continue disruptive posts — hence the often-seen warning: "Please do not feed the trolls".[10]
Frequently, someone who has been labelled a troll by a group may seek to redeem their reputation by discrediting their opponents, for example by claiming that other members of the group are closed-minded, conspirators, or trolls themselves.
My apologies for taking this thread off track yet again.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 10:58:39 PM
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Calling someone inferior doesn't denigrate him, oooooooooooooooooookay.
So if I point out that Michael Phelps swam faster than the other olympic swimmers I am denigrating all the other swimmers? Oooooooooooooookay.
By pointing out that Phelps is faster than other swimmers, you are pointing out that the other swimmers are SLOWER than Phelps.
You are NOT calling Phelps superior to other swimmers (and thus, those iother swimmers inferior to Phelps), as you did call McCain superior - your choice of words - to Obama.
Trying to slip in 'faster' as analogous to 'superior' - a rhetorical sleight of hand amounting to a straw man.
There's plenty to get worked up over, but I think you're taking a pretty unnecessary amount of umbrage over some pretty insignificant things. Calm down.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 11:14:22 PM
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1. Barack Obama has personal experience with poverty and the growing income gap, having grown up abroad in Indonesia and working as a community organizer in the south side of Chicago.
How long did he go without a meal?
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2. After graduating Harvard Law, Magna Cum Laude and president of the Harvard Law Review, Obama could have become a wealthy corporate or trial lawyer but returned to Chicago to practice civil rights law.
Doesn't he have a net worth over a million now?
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3. He also taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago, so he knows how our government is supposed to work.
Laughable... I am rolling here... Thanks...
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4. His tax, energy, and foreign policy proposals - his platform - are both specific and well-thought-out.
Wasn't his latest trip to the Middle East said to be OJT?
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5. He opposed the Iraq war before it started and has a specific plan for redeploying all combat troops by March 31, 2008.
If he has a specific plan why the need to confer with those dolts in the field...
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6. He has received an A+ score from the Genocide Intervention Network for being a "champion" and taking crucial action to end the genocide in Darfur, co-sponsoring and voting for all significant Darfur legislation.
Too bad he didn't have the same regard for the unborn in his own country... He scores an F here...
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7. Barack Obama is committed to universal health care by the end of his first term.
I think it would be better to shoot for covering just those who are not insured on earth before he tries to fix the universe...
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8. He has sponsored, co-sponsored and advocated for significant and realistic legislation to end global warming by capturing and safely disposing carbon dioxide, raising vehicle fuel economy standards and replacing petroleum with home-grown biofuels like cellulosic ethanol.
I wonder what legislation will stop volcanoes from erupting...
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9. He has the broadest base of supporters, has not accepted PAC money and is the least compromised by big money special interests.
How comprised does one have to be to be compromised? He's sorta compromised? More some days than others?
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10. Barack Obama has the intellect, natural talent and charisma to communicate effectively to the entire world, bring people together, change the status quo and move our country forward.
That's a nice way of saying he's a excellent liar...
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/13/2008 12:25:39 AM
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I was actually impressed with the Obama Top Ten list until I found out it had merely been copied from elsewhere.
Now there is a a deep felt and well thought out conviction.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/13/2008 12:30:51 AM
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And Obama's high rating from the Genocide Intervention Network probably isn't hurt by the fact that Samantha Powers, his former senior aid, is on the board of directors. It makes a great talking point (though it has in actuality done little to quell the violence there).
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/13/2008 8:33:24 AM
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3. He also taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago, so he knows how our government is supposed to work.
He may know how it's supposed to work, but that's not what he is proposing. His mantra is nothing but pure socialism.
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4. His tax, energy, and foreign policy proposals - his platform - are both specific and well-thought-out.
Raise taxes, pump up your tires, and sit down to talk with any and all tyrannical dictators. (However, avoid talking with Sean Hannity at all costs!)
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5. He opposed the Iraq war before it started and has a specific plan for redeploying all combat troops by March 31, 2008.
So he can invade Pakistan?
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7. Barack Obama is committed to universal health care by the end of his first term.
Do we need to be more like the Europeans and Canadians? People from those countries (who can afford to travel) come to the U.S. for treatment without having to wait months and months.
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8. He has sponsored, co-sponsored and advocated for significant and realistic legislation to end global warming by capturing and safely disposing carbon dioxide, raising vehicle fuel economy standards and replacing petroleum with home-grown biofuels like cellulosic ethanol.
Ending global warming - he really needs to talk to God about that. Global warming is a natural phenomenon. It's cyclical and has been going on since the beginning of time. To think that mankind is really affecting climate to any significant degree is extremely arrogant.
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10. Barack Obama has the intellect, natural talent and charisma to communicate effectively to the entire world, bring people together, change the status quo and move our country forward.
There have been lots of wonderfully intelligent, charismatic orators throughout history. Many of them have led their people down the road to destruction (Adolph Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Jim Jones to name a few). Obama has given us no real reason to trust him, especially when he and his wife spew American hating rhetoric, and his association with some pretty unsavory characters in the recent past.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/13/2008 9:03:30 AM
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SwedishCovenant
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I was actually impressed with the Obama Top Ten list until I found out it had merely been copied from elsewhere.
Now there is a a deep felt and well thought out conviction.
Yeah, I'm having trouble getting the links to work. Thanks for that.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/13/2008 12:52:23 PM
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I was actually impressed with the Obama Top Ten list until I found out it had merely been copied from elsewhere.
Now there is a a deep felt and well thought out conviction.
If you don't do the reading, it's kind of hard to have deep and well-thought-out convictions.
And if you can just copy and paste the reading, why work from memory and risk that you'll get it wrong?
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/13/2008 1:04:17 PM
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If you don't do the reading, it's kind of hard to have deep and well-thought-out convictions.
And if you can just copy and paste the reading, why work from memory and risk that you'll get it wrong?
Yes, why make a case when you can just parrot someone else's?
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/13/2008 1:44:21 PM
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If you don't do the reading, it's kind of hard to have deep and well-thought-out convictions.
And if you can just copy and paste the reading, why work from memory and risk that you'll get it wrong?
Yes, why make a case when you can just parrot someone else's?
If someone else makes the best case, yes, why not?
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/13/2008 1:47:24 PM
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If someone else makes the best case, yes, why not?
If someone wants to link to or quote a better thinker or communicator that's great - but I think for the sake of integrity one shouldn't pass it off unattributed.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/13/2008 1:51:49 PM
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I'll agree with that. Link next time, SwedishCovenant.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/13/2008 2:15:33 PM
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I'll agree with that. Link next time, SwedishCovenant.
Yazz, massuh.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/13/2008 2:26:48 PM
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Well I believe the point here is that the proposed question was;
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That being the case, let's hear your substantive arguments to support your candidate.
Basically asking what is your (the poster's) reasoning for supporting either candidate. By copying and pasting someone's beliefs from a blog is just giving us their reasons, not yours.
If you say "I'm for so and so because of taxes" and then link to their website that candidate's statement in support of that position then you have made your views clear.
I believe it's a difference between doing your own thinking and letting someone else think for you. If you support a candidate you should know why. JMO.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/13/2008 2:43:47 PM
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Well I believe the point here is that the proposed question was;
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That being the case, let's hear your substantive arguments to support your candidate.
Basically asking what is your (the poster's) reasoning for supporting either candidate. By copying and pasting someone's beliefs from a blog is just giving us their reasons, not yours.
If you say "I'm for so and so because of taxes" and then link to their website that candidate's statement in support of that position then you have made your views clear.
I believe it's a difference between doing your own thinking and letting someone else think for you. If you support a candidate you should know why. JMO.
I stand by the list I posted. I do not need lectures from anyone else on how to form my opinions.
here's a hint - if someone asks me for the definition of a word, I'm going to cut and paste the defintion from a dictionary rather than write up the defintion myself. If I need a formula (say, for the volume of a sphere), I'm going to use the formula in the back of the book rather than derive it through differential calculus.
And if another individual has come up with a well-written list of reasons for anything that I happen tio agree with, I'm perfectly free to use his list.
And it's not like most of the posters on here don't cut and paste, or link, or cite - it's COMMON PRACTICE, for pete's sake.
And by the way - rather than quibble about the source, or the lack of attribution, or that I posted a list that someone else came up with - why not discuss the items on the list itself? Is discussion of the issues of the day too much of a challenge?
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/13/2008 2:51:57 PM
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And by the way - rather than quibble about the source, or the lack of attribution, or that I posted a list that someone else came up with - why not discuss the items on the list itself? Is discussion of the issues of the day too much of a challenge?
Actually that is a great idea - could you direct me to the who thought up the list?
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/13/2008 3:41:29 PM
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And by the way - rather than quibble about the source, or the lack of attribution, or that I posted a list that someone else came up with - why not discuss the items on the list itself? Is discussion of the issues of the day too much of a challenge?
Actually that is a great idea - could you direct me to the who thought up the list?
The list is posted here and another poster managed to provide the link - would you care to address the points, or will your next post be yet another evasion?
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/13/2008 3:44:03 PM
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The list is posted here and another poster managed to provide the link - would you care to address the points, or will your next post be yet another evasion?
I (and others) have already addressed most of them.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/13/2008 3:50:04 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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The list is posted here and another poster managed to provide the link - would you care to address the points, or will your next post be yet another evasion?
I (and others) have already addressed most of them.
Of course you have.
Then what is the purpose of your continued, off-topic posting?
There is a sign at the zoo, "Don't feed the animals". There is a parellel advice for message boards, so consider yourself ignored.
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