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LoyalFriend -> Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/6/2008 8:18:37 AM)

Rarely do you hear sermons addressing sin directly. I don't mean thumping people over the head. Just that there are many sinful things today that are destroying more people, their marriages and families than ever it seems, but not alot of churches addressing these things. Why is the church so quiet on porn, adultery, drugs, drinking, gambling and other such things.

Why does much of the church remain silent?

Noone is immune to these things either.



earthless -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/6/2008 8:22:15 AM)

You obviously have not say to hear my sermons. [:D]



rcjames -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/6/2008 9:32:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: earthless

You obviously have not say to hear my sermons. [:D]


Nor mine

Thanks
RC



redeemedsaint -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/6/2008 10:45:56 AM)

Good post. Basically, we don't want to make people uncomfortable. Un fortunatley, we are playing right into the devil's hands by not addressing sin or any particular sin. By that time, it is too late after a family has been destroyed by a particular sin.



doinkdom -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/6/2008 10:55:08 AM)

We teach/preach the whole gospel - sin and grace - not just a portion of it.

I do know what you mean in many churches today...and no, I don't know why they do it.



LoyalFriend -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/6/2008 12:25:43 PM)

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that no churches do, but I would say the majority do not. That is unfortunate for people need to hear it. Tickling the ears doesn't do much.



LoyalFriend -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/6/2008 12:27:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rcjames

quote:

ORIGINAL: earthless

You obviously have not say to hear my sermons. [:D]


Nor mine

Thanks
RC


Are either of you in small churches by any chance?



ChelaW -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/6/2008 12:55:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LoyalFriend

quote:

ORIGINAL: rcjames

quote:

ORIGINAL: earthless

You obviously have not say to hear my sermons. [:D]


Nor mine

Thanks
RC


Are either of you in small churches by any chance?


I'm in a very large, well-known church and I can tell you, our Pastor certainly does not mince words when talking about sin.

And what I really love about my pastor is that he's humble enough to use his own struggles as examples. He's talked about his struggle with his temper, and even his struggle to keep his faith after his mother died.

It's comforting hearing a prominent man of God go through the same things I go through!



Qtman -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/6/2008 1:38:26 PM)

My pastor preaches about sin all the time. I am beginning to get the feeling he is against it.



earthless -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/6/2008 1:45:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LoyalFriend

quote:

ORIGINAL: rcjames

quote:

ORIGINAL: earthless

You obviously have not say to hear my sermons. [:D]


Nor mine

Thanks
RC


Are either of you in small churches by any chance?


The church I used to pastor was around 300-600 in attendance every Sunday. The two churches I frequent now are much larger and their pastors are known worldwide.



rcjames -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/6/2008 1:48:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LoyalFriend
Are either of you in small churches by any chance?


Having just founded this Church, yes it is small, but I have preached the same before congregation of over 50,000. Over the years my congreagation have ranged from 0 at the beginning to a couple of thousnad when I turned them over to someone else and started another.

The message should not change because of the audience.

I preach a lot of "Victory in Jesus", "Grace" etc. but our whole faith revolves around sin; the commiting of sin, the forgiveness of sin, the God given ability to not sin as Christians, etc.

Thanks
RC



revbob4God -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/6/2008 1:52:11 PM)

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Rarely do you hear sermons addressing sin directly. I don't mean thumping people over the head. Just that there are many sinful things today that are destroying more people, their marriages and families than ever it seems, but not alot of churches addressing these things. Why is the church so quiet on porn, adultery, drugs, drinking, gambling and other such things.

Why does much of the church remain silent?

Although I wholeheartedly agree with RC, obviously you haven't been to my church. I preach about sin a lot more than most, probably. And Lately I have had to preach about gossip, name calling, and humility.



earthless -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/6/2008 1:53:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rcjames

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ORIGINAL: LoyalFriend
Are either of you in small churches by any chance?


Having just founded this Church, yes it is small, but I have preached the same before congregation of over 50,000. Over the years my congreagation have ranged from 0 at the beginning to a couple of thousnad when I turned them over to someone else and started another.

The message should not change because of the audience.

I preach a lot of "Victory in Jesus", "Grace" etc. but our whole faith revolves around sin; the commiting of sin, the forgiveness of sin, the God given ability to not sin as Christians, etc.

Thanks
RC


Amen, RC. Same here in terms of having brought the Word to groups of varying sizes.

As for my focuses when preaching - I preach a lot on God's amazing grace and equipping believers in apologetics/false religions/false movements in the church and outside of it. Sermons that hit on human hypocrisy and flaws - "why do we do the things that we do?"

With a foundation of man's fallen and wicked nature, our sin, a Holy God, and our need of His mercy and grace.



bluestone -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/6/2008 1:54:44 PM)

maybe those particular sins are not practiced by people in your church.

I have never understood preachers preaching against drugs when no one in that congregation do drugs, but remaining silent about gossip, slander, and lack of prayer, when those are pretty plain to see.



URForgiven -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/6/2008 2:12:54 PM)

Preaching about sin to forgiven saints is like telling someone not to think about a pink elephant. All it does it cause the person to think on what you say you do not want them to think about.

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

If your whole faith revolves around sin, then your faith is not in Christ but in someone or something else.

Peace



Qtman -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/6/2008 2:27:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: URForgiven

Preaching about sin to forgiven saints is like telling someone not to think about a pink elephant. All it does it cause the person to think on what you say you do not want them to think about.

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

If your whole faith revolves around sin, then your faith is not in Christ but in someone or something else.

Peace


Why? Being forgiven does not make us immune from sin. Even though saved we can still commit sins. Not only should our churches encourage us they should admonish us not to sin.



URForgiven -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/6/2008 3:03:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Qtman

quote:

ORIGINAL: URForgiven

Preaching about sin to forgiven saints is like telling someone not to think about a pink elephant. All it does it cause the person to think on what you say you do not want them to think about.

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

If your whole faith revolves around sin, then your faith is not in Christ but in someone or something else.

Peace


Why? Being forgiven does not make us immune from sin. Even though saved we can still commit sins. Not only should our churches encourage us they should admonish us not to sin.


Because if the object is truly to discourage sin, you do not accomplish that by encouraging them to think about sin.

Yes we still sin, and Thank God that Christ's shed blood on the cross has provided forgiveness for those sins. It is not a slap on the wrist that causes us to not sin...it is Gods Grace...

Titus 2:11-13
"For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. It teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age"


Peace



pbaribeault -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/6/2008 3:07:44 PM)

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porn, adultery, drugs, drinking, gambling and other such things.
To provide additional insight, you-all might notice that only one of those sins is actually addressed specifically by name in scripture...

Therefore well meaning pastors who preach exegetically from Bible passages might not find the opportunity to preach 'on' a topic that scripture does not directly address. At least it does not appear to address it. Personally, I believe that addictions find their root in the sin of idolatry... It can be preached powerfully from that context, but more often it's those jumping-point applications that kind of come at the end of a sermon about old-time idols, if a preacher thinks to mention application at all, once the passage has been preached.

One of the failings of the "just preach the word" school of thought.



rcjames -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/6/2008 6:03:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: URForgiven

Preaching about sin to forgiven saints is like telling someone not to think about a pink elephant. All it does it cause the person to think on what you say you do not want them to think about.

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

If your whole faith revolves around sin, then your faith is not in Christ but in someone or something else.

Peace


So you are saying that folks who consider themselves Believers do not sin or that it does not matter if they sin.

Thanks
RC



URForgiven -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/6/2008 6:44:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rcjames

quote:

ORIGINAL: URForgiven

Preaching about sin to forgiven saints is like telling someone not to think about a pink elephant. All it does it cause the person to think on what you say you do not want them to think about.

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

If your whole faith revolves around sin, then your faith is not in Christ but in someone or something else.

Peace


So you are saying that folks who consider themselves Believers do not sin or that it does not matter if they sin.

Thanks
RC


Nope.



LoyalFriend -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/7/2008 1:52:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rcjames

quote:

ORIGINAL: LoyalFriend
Are either of you in small churches by any chance?


Having just founded this Church, yes it is small, but I have preached the same before congregation of over 50,000. Over the years my congreagation have ranged from 0 at the beginning to a couple of thousnad when I turned them over to someone else and started another.

The message should not change because of the audience.


I fully agree!



LoyalFriend -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/7/2008 2:00:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Qtman
Why? Being forgiven does not make us immune from sin. Even though saved we can still commit sins. Not only should our churches encourage us they should admonish us not to sin.


Not only can we still committ sin, but many christian homes within the church body are being destroyed everyday over certain sins as I mentioned earlier. Does the church itself really serve it's own if they put their heads in the sand and not deal with the reality of things?



JimboFletch -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/7/2008 2:02:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LoyalFriend

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that no churches do, but I would say the majority do not. That is unfortunate for people need to hear it. Tickling the ears doesn't do much.

Since I'm only involved with my local church that doesn't fit your description, where do you get support for the notion that the "majority" of churches avoid dealing with sin - is it based on some facts or just a feeling?



kernsfamily -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/7/2008 2:19:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LoyalFriend

Rarely do you hear sermons addressing sin directly. I don't mean thumping people over the head. Just that there are many sinful things today that are destroying more people, their marriages and families than ever it seems, but not alot of churches addressing these things. Why is the church so quiet on porn, adultery, drugs, drinking, gambling and other such things.

Why does much of the church remain silent?

Noone is immune to these things either.


you haven't heard my pastor's sermons, either (and, I attend one of the largest "mega churches" in the country).....sin is addressed directly quite often. Clearly. And bluntly.

drinking? how about "drunkenness" (but that's an entirely different discussion)

It SEEMS as though those things are destroying more people, their marriages than ever it SEEMS......because, in the past, there were drunks, abusers and gamblers, adulterers....and everything else....BUT, everyone did a great job "sweeping it under the rug' and keeping "Dad's little secret" the "family secret".....mom didn't divorce dad because she was so "dependent" on his income, and didn't have the ability to support herself even if she wanted to!......so, everyone just kept things quiet (to keep up appearances), and just went on with their lives....and, in "public", they SEEMED as if they were the "normal" happy little family.....with a husband, wife, 2 kids, a dog and white picket fence....(if only their neighbors knew what happened on the other side of the front door!)....



rcjames -> RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? (8/7/2008 3:35:10 PM)

You know in all sincerity when we preach on grace; we are preaching on sin and the avenue that God gave us for forgiveness of that sin.

When we teach on love; we are teaching on sio, for if one is truly walking in love one cannot sin. What you say???

If I love my wife, I will not commit adultery, if I love my neighbor I will not steal nor lie about them, if I love myself the way God loves me, I will not put drugs into my arm. etc. etc. etc.

So it is all about sin, the committing of sin, the forgiveness of sin, the ability of Christians not to sin, etc.

Thanks
RC



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