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solomonsprayer -> Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/19/2008 4:20:34 PM)

I was recently surprised to read in an article about the staggering number of women now addicted to online pornography (including Christian women):

http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/3/92004c.asp

According to one survey/study, it seems that 1 out of 3 Christian women are actively seeking pornography with some being addicts. This came across as surprising to me and something that was possibly indicative of the new/changing culture of sexuality in today's society.

I think we traditionally view pornographic addiction and sexual sin/promiscuity as primarily men's problems and struggles (because of how we are supposedly biologically and neurologically "wired" differently from women and thus more susceptible to those sins), but I've also noticed within my own church group that a large and significant number of young ladies are very open about sexual thoughts and language in their daily interaction with others and struggle just as much with sexual sins. It seems like society's expectations of women and ideals of femininity have greatly changed and become looser in standards. I remember growing up that it would be embarassing and improper for a woman in church to discuss things like a man's body parts or how "hot" some person is, but now just 10-15 years later out of my teenage years I am seeing so many more church women and girls open about sexuality (in a sinful way). It seems they are just as much visually stimulated by the sexual imagery that proliferates our media in society (as the linked article points out when it discusses the contemporary rewiring of women's sexual neurochemistry) and are open in discussing these lusts as men have been in the past. I wonder if others are seeing the same? Also, I'm curious if churches are actively addressing these issues with women?

I know in my last church (having moved recently), a lot of the young college girls and early career women were so blunt in their daily conversations about various celebrity crushes and male body parts and frequently discussed shows like "Sex and the City", etc. that revealed their openness in mind and thought to sex and lust outside of the prescribed boundaries of marriage in the Bible. I wonder if this is now becoming more of the norm in churches? I recall hearing one young lady (mid-20's) talk about drooling over a young actor/models' body and cursing at the news that this famous male actor's girlfriend left him (calling her an expletive) and saying how she would give anything to be with him. These instances were personally disturbing to me to see them as becoming the norm. It was odd too, because no one at thte church really called this girl out for her behavior and tried to correct her. It seemed like her friends and other church girls simply either agreed with her or felt it was ok to openly discuss topics like that. ....

I think the new wave of data and studies showing large numbers of women engaging in pornography and having affairs, etc. do seem to indicate to me that there is a new crisis in the church. ...I guess I'm curious if others have noticed similar trends and how common this looser standard of sexual morality is in their own churches? ... Are there other troubling indications that today's Christian women have accepted and adopted the sexual morality of secular society?



deliveredarling -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/19/2008 5:29:25 PM)

I wonder if it has to do with more of the "openness" being promoted on TV. Especially for young girls. My daughter is 10. The tv shows she watches are on Nickelodeon, Disney, ect. They have shows geared toward an older teen (13-14) but the younger ones are just as fascinated with them because they seem so "mature" and grown up. Thinking it's all fine and dandy.
The stars of the show present themselves and there clothing as if they were 17-18 yrs old.

I have been shocked to find out that some of the stars my daughter adores are between 9-10 and look 16.

I know this isnt the only reason, but it sure is one we battle in my house. My 10 year old needs to stay 10. When she becomes 13, we cam then explore more teen stuff.

I set that rule because she came out looking like a hoochy momma one day and I was so embarrassed for her.



stellaluna -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/19/2008 5:48:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: solomonsprayer
It seems they are just as much visually stimulated by the sexual imagery that proliferates our media in society (as the linked article points out when it discusses the contemporary rewiring of women's sexual neurochemistry) and are open in discussing these lusts as men have been in the past.

They always were. Not talking about something doesn't mean it isn't so; talking about something doesn't make it so.



I-Luv-My-Flowers -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/19/2008 6:54:48 PM)

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I know in my last church (having moved recently), a lot of the young college girls and early career women were so blunt in their daily conversations about various celebrity crushes and male body parts and frequently discussed shows like "Sex and the City", etc. that revealed their openness in mind and thought to sex and lust outside of the prescribed boundaries of marriage in the Bible. I wonder if this is now becoming more of the norm in churches? I recall hearing one young lady (mid-20's) talk about drooling over a young actor/models' body and cursing at the news that this famous male actor's girlfriend left him (calling her an expletive) and saying how she would give anything to be with him. These instances were personally disturbing to me to see them as becoming the norm. It was odd too, because no one at thte church really called this girl out for her behavior and tried to correct her. It seemed like her friends and other church girls simply either agreed with her or felt it was ok to openly discuss topics like that. ....


That's just another day at my college. I hear more f-bombs, cursing, nasty names, crude humor, etc, than I ever thought I'd be able to stomach. Some of the biggest culprits go to church.

This isn't just about porn. Girls are taught that if they don't know everything about how their bodies work, how to use birth control and and the details of the of STD's and sexual methods then their "self-esteem" is low and they're not "comfortable with their bodies."

I'm dresses only. I get this a LOT.
*My gym-teacher of my mixed-gender phys ed class made it clear that she thought I was being a big prude and that I needed to grow up and stop being ashamed of my body when I wouldn't wear skimpy gym clothes.
*My best-friend's father wanted to know EXACTLY how I was going to handle doing it when I got married since I don't like men hugging me.
*My aunt wanted to know how I would know what to do since I was homeschooled.
*My own grandfather asked similar questions about me, but was completely blind to my male-cousins being active with their girl-friends.

Creepy people like girls to be "comfortable" with this because then they can get it for free. If there's any consequences (like pregnancy) then they can blame it on her for not being "properly educated."



solomonsprayer -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/19/2008 7:04:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stellaluna

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ORIGINAL: solomonsprayer
It seems they are just as much visually stimulated by the sexual imagery that proliferates our media in society (as the linked article points out when it discusses the contemporary rewiring of women's sexual neurochemistry) and are open in discussing these lusts as men have been in the past.

They always were. Not talking about something doesn't mean it isn't so; talking about something doesn't make it so.


So you would disagree with the article's point that women have been more traditionally sexually stimulated by emotional connection (evidenced by their traditional addictions to romance novels and chat rooms versus pornography) rather than the visual stimulation common in males?

I don't recall the source(s), but I know I've heard and read that women are biologically and neurologically wired differently than men when it comes to sex. Women are supposedly more sexually stimulated from feelings of closeness and emotional intimacy with a partner than simply visual appeal.

I guess the articles point in regards to that is that with today's culture of having sex plastered on every advertisement, openly shown and discussed in movies, and with pornography so easily acccessible and even "popular" that women are being rewired to be more visually stimulated. So even if women had been visually stimulated in a sexual way in the past that now they are more so and this has led to their new surprising addictions to pornography.



solomonsprayer -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/19/2008 7:17:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: I-Luv-My-Flowers

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I know in my last church (having moved recently), a lot of the young college girls and early career women were so blunt in their daily conversations about various celebrity crushes and male body parts and frequently discussed shows like "Sex and the City", etc. that revealed their openness in mind and thought to sex and lust outside of the prescribed boundaries of marriage in the Bible. I wonder if this is now becoming more of the norm in churches? I recall hearing one young lady (mid-20's) talk about drooling over a young actor/models' body and cursing at the news that this famous male actor's girlfriend left him (calling her an expletive) and saying how she would give anything to be with him. These instances were personally disturbing to me to see them as becoming the norm. It was odd too, because no one at thte church really called this girl out for her behavior and tried to correct her. It seemed like her friends and other church girls simply either agreed with her or felt it was ok to openly discuss topics like that. ....


That's just another day at my college. I hear more f-bombs, cursing, nasty names, crude humor, etc, than I ever thought I'd be able to stomach. Some of the biggest culprits go to church.

This isn't just about porn. Girls are taught that if they don't know everything about how their bodies work, how to use birth control and and the details of the of STD's and sexual methods then their "self-esteem" is low and they're not "comfortable with their bodies."




Mmmm.....that's a pretty sad description of the girls from your college. Crude humor? Yikes! I'd start running the opposite direction if I ever heard a woman talk that way. Big turn-off!

That does seem sad and unfortunate that society and culture seem to emphasis sexual knowledge (as being a virtue or making one popular) rather than purity and modesty with these girls. I commend you for striving to live for God and not society and honoring Him with your walk! [sm=thumbsup.gif]



stellaluna -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/19/2008 7:25:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: solomonsprayer

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ORIGINAL: stellaluna

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ORIGINAL: solomonsprayer
It seems they are just as much visually stimulated by the sexual imagery that proliferates our media in society (as the linked article points out when it discusses the contemporary rewiring of women's sexual neurochemistry) and are open in discussing these lusts as men have been in the past.

They always were. Not talking about something doesn't mean it isn't so; talking about something doesn't make it so.


So you would disagree with the article's point that women have been more traditionally sexually stimulated by emotional connection (evidenced by their traditional addictions to romance novels and chat rooms versus pornography) rather than the visual stimulation common in males?

I don't recall the source(s), but I know I've heard and read that women are biologically and neurologically wired differently than men when it comes to sex. Women are supposedly more sexually stimulated from feelings of closeness and emotional intimacy with a partner than simply visual appeal.

I guess the articles point in regards to that is that with today's culture of having sex plastered on every advertisement, openly shown and discussed in movies, and with pornography so easily acccessible and even "popular" that women are being rewired to be more visually stimulated. So even if women had been visually stimulated in a sexual way in the past that now they are more so and this has led to their new surprising addictions to pornography.

I will agree that men are more visual and women are more emotional. I will not agree that men are only visual and women are only emotional. I think this flawed thinking has led many people to assume that nothing will visually stimulate a woman, therefore they are shocked to learn otherwise. This isn't "rewiring"...this is revelation.



stellaluna -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/19/2008 7:28:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: I-Luv-My-Flowers
Girls are taught that if they don't know everything about how their bodies work, how to use birth control and and the details of the of STD's and sexual methods then their "self-esteem" is low and they're not "comfortable with their bodies."

I personally don't see anything wrong with this. Why wouldn't someone want to know all they could about their bodies, etc.

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If there's any consequences (like pregnancy) then they can blame it on her for not being "properly educated."

And sadly, there are many women who are not properly educated and yes, that does sometimes result in pregnancy. Although that's probably another thread.



zamdad -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/19/2008 11:12:09 PM)

Seems that this is another issue of the culture influencing the church as opposed to the church influencing the culture. There is another thread going on in the protestants only folder that has to do with the renewing of the mind. Based on the OP and the link therein, it seems that this renewing of the mind works both ways. When our minds take in more of what the culture has to offer than they do of God's word, should we expect virtuousness?

Since the sexual revolution sought to bring people out of their repression, we have not only come out of the repression, but dove headfirst into the cesspool. God made men and women different, there's no denying that. Myself and others who have been working with wounded souls have noticed a trend over the past 10 years or so that girls/women are becoming more like men in the way they think and act. It is not uncommon to hear "locker room talk" among girls boasting about their sexual conquests with guys or to verbalize their deviant fantasies for what they want to do with a person. Why does it seem there are so many girls willing to expose it all for video's on something like Girls Gone Wild?

The answers for healthy realtionships (including healthy sexual relationships) are found in scripture. Yet we, the church, often avoid addressing the subject. Do we avoid the subject for our own comfort or for the comfort of others? If it's a problem we want to solve, we're gonna have to look at what the Bible tells us.



timf -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/20/2008 7:53:01 AM)

Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women

When one considers the purpose of public education (the place where the name of Jesus is forbidden to be mentioned) has been to inculcate children with the religion of secularism (the worship of man in general and self in particular), it should not be surprising that a nation changes from Christian to the new religion of secularism in just a few generations.

It should not be surprising that unsaved women (as well as men) seek after pleasures of the flesh (they somehow must know all they have is this life). In the past the potential for disease and the complications and consequences of pregnancy have limited the headlong rush of the unsaved into wanton hedonism.

Another factor to consider is that another effect of public education has been the reduction of individuality to make children more compliant with collective systems. After generations of telling children to shut up, sit down, and do what they are told, it should not come as a surprise that we have a nation of people that look at what others are doing to see what it is that they should do.

This has implications for Christians.

1. Not everyone in church is Christian.
2. Some churches promote worldly systems (in effect become "enemies" of God).
3. Christians are going to have to increasingly "swim against the tide" of conventionality.
4. Being raised in the world leaves a huge "footprint" in our life that we need to bring to the Lord and ask His help to remove.
5. The Christian should carefully consider how much they should expose their children to these influences of the world.



DaveW -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/20/2008 10:52:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: solomonsprayer

I don't recall the source(s), but I know I've heard and read that women are biologically and neurologically wired differently than men when it comes to sex. Women are supposedly more sexually stimulated from feelings of closeness and emotional intimacy with a partner than simply visual appeal.
Interesting thing about our brain wiring: everyone is remarkably flexible. If all that brain circuitry had to be written into DNA coding, our genome would be 4 or 5 times as big as it already is. Some is influenced by hormones, some by experience, and some by belief systems.

If someone grows up seeing sexual imagery and believes it is supposed to be arousing, eventually it will become so, regardless of gender.



wende6 -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/21/2008 10:04:14 AM)

I find this thread very intersting. I have been praying a lot about our society and the level of promiscuity we have reached. Looking at our political figures and the affairs etc. that are occuring is very disturbing to me. Also from the pulpit, scandal occurs. We have been desensitized and dumbed down by images, voices etc... The media blasts things constantly at our children. The tv choices that are on are disgusting. God is calling us into a Love relationship with him. So in satans usual deceptive style he attempts to counterfeit that. That is what is occuring here a counterfeit passion. We have fallen hook line and sinker as a nation into this pit. Prayer for yourselves, your children, your church leaders etc... Ask for a Fire to burn within and prescribe only to holiness. Blessings to you all as we walk this journey.



Anamchara -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/21/2008 6:54:07 PM)

Interesting thread, I thought I would just add my two cents :) It scares me to see the morality of the United States drop daily. What we as a society see as acceptable today, verses what they would have found acceptable 50 or even 30...20...5 years ago makes me ashamed of what we (we again as a society) have allowed to happen. You can look at the United States as a whole and see that we do not stand for what we use to, we have compromised our standards. I would think back in the biblical days people would have and were, stoned to death by what our very presidents do. Yet, do you see them being stoned to death, beaten let alone impeached? No we dont...we dont hold the same seriousness, standards and acceptance compared to what we use to. I see the same concept with in younger kids as well..it just all trails down the line. Do you see 79-90 year olds wearing pajama pants, tshirts and their hair thrown in a pony tail with flip flops to church on Sunday mornings? Obviously not. I wear jeans on Sundays sometimes, my mom wouldnt even think about it she wears dress pants on occassion my grandmother wears nothing short of her best dress, hose, hat with the hair pins etc. See my point? Help me Jesus not to compromise your word, your standards that you taught each one of us. Gods grace is abundant to us.



Kath -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/21/2008 8:01:08 PM)

Moving from General Faith to Morality/Ethics



stampinlady -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/22/2008 11:05:51 AM)

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If someone grows up seeing sexual imagery and believes it is supposed to be arousing, eventually it will become so, regardless of gender.


Very true.



lightshineon -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/23/2008 8:48:32 PM)

Wow even when younger, I did not care about these things. these women should be admonished. I know at my church recently, women had a personal shower, in the womens group leaders home. The shower was for a young woman living with someone not married too, but did get married for a month. At the party a deacons wife in her forties ask, the young woman if she had given ( a word for oral sex) to her fiancee.



zamdad -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/24/2008 12:54:29 PM)

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lightshineon
Wow even when younger, I did not care about these things. these women should be admonished.


While I think I know what you are getting at, the way this comes across is that because you did not care about such things, other women shouldn't either.

Yes, sex is a sticky subject for most. It's something very personal. In a general sense, like so many other subjects we can only relate to things from within our own experience. If we're going to encourage healthy relationships and healthy sexuality, we need to get over ourselves, our own discomforts and discuss the matter as the gift God created for us.



rcjames -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/24/2008 5:16:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: solomonsprayer
According to one survey/study, it seems that 1 out of 3 Christian women are actively seeking pornography with some being addicts. This came across as surprising to me and something that was possibly indicative of the new/changing culture of sexuality in today's society.


Well this ole country preacher takes exception witht the premise of the ariicle and maybe your OP.

1 out of 3 wemon may actibly seek porn, maby enen 2 out of three, Lord maybe 3 out of three. But since porn is obviously a sin (Lusting after soneone other than a spouse) then the ones doing this are not Christians.

Scriputure is very plain about walking in sin, or committing inequities, and every where is Scripture this is addressed; the ones doing the sin or committing the iniquity are not Christins. I give just a couple of examples;

(1Jn 3:6) No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

(1Jn 3:7) Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.

(1Jn 3:8) Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.

(1Jn 3:9) No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

And Jesus Himself said;

(Mat 7:21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

(Mat 7:22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

(Mat 7:23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

So women that "it seems that 1 out of 3 Christian women are actively seeking pornography with some being addicts." fall under the condemnation of both of the above passages.

We are called to;

(Rom 12:1) I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

(Rom 12:2) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

And ""it seems that 1 out of 3 Christian women are actively seeking pornography with some being addicts." just will not get it.

Jesus is coming for;

(Eph 5:27) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

And ""it seems that 1 out of 3 Christian women are actively seeking pornography with some being addicts." just does not fit in the plan; no way, no how.

Folks who are into this need to get saved and then trust the Scripture that says;

(1Co 10:13) There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Only through salvation, forgiveness, and faith is the Scriptures can be be found presentable for God.


Thsnks
RC



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/24/2008 10:25:01 PM)

I have a real rough time equating porn-watching with being a believer, too. If one has developed a habit of porn-watching, then they have certainly done it more than once -- that certainly must come under the definition of practicing sin.

But I also have a real hard time believing that 1 out of 3 churched men or women are habitual toward porn. That is just ridiculous.



lightshineon -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/24/2008 11:18:19 PM)

No that is not what I ment. I was just saying never a problem for me, so hard to relate, but I have other problems.
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ORIGINAL: zamdad

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lightshineon
Wow even when younger, I did not care about these things. these women should be admonished.


While I think I know what you are getting at, the way this comes across is that because you did not care about such things, other women shouldn't either.

Yes, sex is a sticky subject for most. It's something very personal. In a general sense, like so many other subjects we can only relate to things from within our own experience. If we're going to encourage healthy relationships and healthy sexuality, we need to get over ourselves, our own discomforts and discuss the matter as the gift God created for us.



solomonsprayer -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/26/2008 4:33:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Covaan_Meshuga

I have a real rough time equating porn-watching with being a believer, too. If one has developed a habit of porn-watching, then they have certainly done it more than once -- that certainly must come under the definition of practicing sin.

But I also have a real hard time believing that 1 out of 3 churched men or women are habitual toward porn. That is just ridiculous.


I'm a bit undecided in my belief of that 1 out of 3 statistic myself.....

On the one hand, I feel it is preposterous with my current church, given the hearts of the people I see. There's just no way that it is true. Not even close. Maybe like 1 out of 100.

On the other hand, I can easily see it with my former church that I mentioned above. Very very sadly, I had a young man even openly tell me of an attractive porn star he and others liked. [sm=aside.gif] I know from also listening to two Catholic friends talk (I am Protestant) that their churches are in complete disarray. One of my friend's churches is living in such complete sin that the entire youth group believes in pre-marital sex and practices it and has all kinds of lust amongst the members. My friend, who I believe resigned as a ministry leader there, tried fighting the leaders there for a long time and I think they eventually split apart because of the open sin of that parish's youth. His stories were shocking. Likewise, my other Catholic friend (now and ex-friend, thankfully) openly discusses his sexual exploits and those of others in his church. He practically brags about his sexual conquests so to speak. Always asking others what they think of his girlfriend's looks (they one he openly sleeps with from church!). He says "we are all sinners and as long as we repent that's all we can do." .....

So depending on which church environment I am at, I can see how that statistic is true. ..1 in 3 is still slightly a bit high for me to believe overall....but something like 1 in 5 seems reasonable to me, especially given the youth. Within just youth, it oculd be 1 in 3 actually.



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/26/2008 10:46:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: solomonsprayer
On the other hand, I can easily see it with my former church that I mentioned above. Very very sadly, I had a young man even openly tell me of an attractive porn star he and others liked. [sm=aside.gif] I know from also listening to two Catholic friends talk (I am Protestant) that their churches are in complete disarray. One of my friend's churches is living in such complete sin that the entire youth group believes in pre-marital sex and practices it and has all kinds of lust amongst the members. My friend, who I believe resigned as a ministry leader there, tried fighting the leaders there for a long time and I think they eventually split apart because of the open sin of that parish's youth. His stories were shocking. Likewise, my other Catholic friend (now and ex-friend, thankfully) openly discusses his sexual exploits and those of others in his church. He practically brags about his sexual conquests so to speak. Always asking others what they think of his girlfriend's looks (they one he openly sleeps with from church!). He says "we are all sinners and as long as we repent that's all we can do."

So! Are these people stupid or what? I'm sorry, but with all the sexually transmitted disease out there, a person has to be completely nuts to have sex outside of marriage, "protection" or not. This is just ridiculous.

It is obvious that our society is going through this junk because we have raised our fists in the face of G-d, and as a result, disease is going nuts -- diseases that could have been kept in check by simple morals. Solomon, this disgusts me.

Just to be clear, not you but the people you are writing about.



backrowbaptist -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/26/2008 11:42:15 PM)

I've seen this happening for a long time. years ago I was on youth staff at my church. Every year we had a talent show. As the years went by, the acts the kids perfromed became so sexually suggestive and downright raunchy (with even some of the older volunteers joining in) that we had to stop doing the shows altogether. In my years of teaching I saw more and more sexualized girls at younger and younger ages.
I think it's a product of our MTV culture, which has been Satan's most effective tool, IMO, pathetically bad parenting, and failure of christian leadership to teach morality and decency, especially to young people.



zamdad -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/27/2008 12:56:20 PM)

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I think it's a product of our MTV culture, which has been Satan's most effective tool, IMO, pathetically bad parenting, and failure of christian leadership to teach morality and decency, especially to young people.


While I don't disagree with what you say, backrowbaptist, I wanted to add a thought. Why is it we always point the blame at external factors. We all have a role in this. Yes, we need to reach the youth. But, to reach the youth, don't we need to reach their parents as well? If we can reach the parents of the youth and convey the message of the gospel we can change the behavior of the parents to model Christ like living. It seems we have this tendency to teach in the same manner as the world, fill heads full of knowledge, yet fail to provide guidance to facilitate head knowledge into the heart.



backrowbaptist -> RE: Today's Culture of Sexuality and Christian Women (8/28/2008 8:55:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: zamdad

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I think it's a product of our MTV culture, which has been Satan's most effective tool, IMO, pathetically bad parenting, and failure of christian leadership to teach morality and decency, especially to young people.


While I don't disagree with what you say, backrowbaptist, I wanted to add a thought. Why is it we always point the blame at external factors. We all have a role in this. Yes, we need to reach the youth. But, to reach the youth, don't we need to reach their parents as well? If we can reach the parents of the youth and convey the message of the gospel we can change the behavior of the parents to model Christ like living. It seems we have this tendency to teach in the same manner as the world, fill heads full of knowledge, yet fail to provide guidance to facilitate head knowledge into the heart.

Yes, I'd agree with that. That's why I listed 'pathetically bad parenting' in my post as one of the causes. It would take strength of conviction from Christians and their leaders to try to reach parents in this way. Do we/they have it?



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