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RE: Official Head Covering Support Thread - 11/20/2008 11:50:03 AM
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OneOfHisJewels
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On the way home from church Sunday night, I was telling my dad about how there were two ladies from my CW (thinking of Sandy and Maggie, although because of Christina and Lexie-who covers often-I should have said3 1/2).
He has always been a firm believer in covering for worship services, but never really suggested more than that...anyway when I told him about you ladies, he was quite impressed...he said, "Wow, those women have guts,"  ...then I told him you also wore dresses only, and he said, "Wow."
I didn't tell him about the QF thing though.....he tends to be quite against the QF mentality (although he's quite conservative in many areas)...tends to see it as a way of husbands not being thoughtful of their wives....but I also know that the QF's on here, their husbands aren't like that..but I still thought I'd leave that topic for another day..
but anyway, regarding the head covering thing..those of you who cover all the time..he said you all have his utmost respect.
I've always covered for both church services, but never for adult Sunday School..while I still have no plans to start covering all the time, you covering all the time people have convicted me to cover for Sunday School, and prayer meeting type meetings and stuff.
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RE: Official Head Covering Support Thread - 11/20/2008 7:11:16 PM
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That's cool Rebekah!
My husband was very surprised when I told him of the women who cover here. While back home it's pretty much standard for heads to be covered (not necessarily out of conviction or church standard, but a cultural thing) he's never seen head covering outside of Caribbean churches. He's pretty impressed that it's making a comeback in North American churches (or at least among some people.)
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RE: Official Head Covering Support Thread - 11/29/2008 7:28:04 PM
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Ok, I have another question. I was talking to somebody who doesn't cut her hair and always wears it up. She told me that cutting your hair or covering is a sin because if you understand your bible, you will see that the hair of the woman is the only thing that covers your family. I can't remember all of the details because I so wasn't getting it, but I just had to ask. I can't remember where the scripture is that leads people to cover, but she was talking about the Armour that God gives us and if you take notice, the only thing we have for our backs is our long hair.
Ok, I am not going to start a debate because first of all, if that is the case, then my family is so totally unprotected since my hair is not long, but I can't find what she is talking about. She referred to it as the armour of God. She talked about your hands and feet and a sword.
So she told me to cover your hair is also a sin. How can the bible support both views?
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RE: Official Head Covering Support Thread - 11/29/2008 7:48:10 PM
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OneOfHisJewels
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Well, to put it bluntly, I think your friend is a little skewed in her thinking.
The armor of God passage isn't about anything physical..it's spiriitual..and it never mentions hair.
Now, there ARE verses that talk about a long hair being a woman's glory...but I think that simply means that at a glance, one should be able to tell if we are female, and there are plenty of short, cute haircuts that achieve this.
The fact that our hair CAN be glorious is actually good proof of why I personally believe in covering-at least on Sundays-men like women's hair..and when we cover it on Sundays, we can save them the distraction, so they can concentrate on worship and so can we.
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RE: Official Head Covering Support Thread - 11/29/2008 8:14:02 PM
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thanks Jewels!
I can't put bluntly what went through my mind when we talked about that, but I will say that while it was a nice story, I didn't put much more than that to it. I know that the bible does NOT say that if a woman cuts her hair it is a sin. I also know that there are denominations that do require women to keep their hair uncut, but that is specific to each church. But I had to ask because I am so unfamiliar with both.
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RE: Official Head Covering Support Thread - 11/30/2008 5:04:35 PM
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Also Mrs. Tracy, if you follow her statement all the way to it's logical conclusion, then men with short hair also have no covering for their back. Does she or the "kooky theologian" believe men must have long hair too? In order to be consistent with their statements, they would have to believe that men also must have long hair.
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RE: Official Head Covering Support Thread - 11/30/2008 5:59:26 PM
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1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1Co 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1Co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1Co 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
1Co 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
This will most likely be what your friend is referring to. It's silly. The only way I can see it applying to women today is for a woman not to have her head shaved. My understanding is back in the day, the prostitutes would shave their heads and then wear wigs, so this is why a woman is taught it is a shame for her to be shorn or shaven.
But then judging by what is said, then every man should be bald because they should not be covered. But we don't see in places where women don't believe in cutting their hair, the men going bald.
My own opinion of it is a woman should not purposely shave her head. Obviously in todays age we have women who lose their hair for medical reasons and this would not be seen as shameful.
Some may argue that it shorn will mean cut, by from the word studies I have read, here the term "shorn or shaven" means to have the hair cut close or be entirely shaved with a razor.
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RE: Official Head Covering Support Thread - 12/6/2008 10:59:17 PM
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Also Mrs. Tracy, if you follow her statement all the way to it's logical conclusion, then men with short hair also have no covering for their back. Does she or the "kooky theologian" believe men must have long hair too? In order to be consistent with their statements, they would have to believe that men also must have long hair.
Nope, she said that the woman's long hair is what shields the entire family. I don't cover, and I don't keep my hair uncut, but I so very badly wanted to say something to her because it was so misguided, but didn't have the words or enough background. I don't know what I think about covering. I can see why people do it and sometimes I do think it is something we all should do, but then again, I look at my church and can't believe that God is going to condemn all these women for not covering. Too much for me to deal with.
Anyway, I just let her talk and think she was doing a good thing by spreading what she saw as God's word since I know that she wasn't going to change her mind. Her church is pretty good at keeping people in line to what they preach. I just don't know how they do it when the bible is right there in front of everybody for them to read.
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RE: Official Head Covering Support Thread - 12/7/2008 7:22:01 PM
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I don't know what I think about covering. I can see why people do it and sometimes I do think it is something we all should do, but then again, I look at my church and can't believe that God is going to condemn all these women for not covering. Too much for me to deal with.
I don't believe that God will condemn those women either. It's a purely personal conviction and I would argue that with anyone who chooses to say otherwise. Just look at the thread, women here have different reasons or outcomes of covering.
(And my hair is in a very cute bob right now, that hair thing is just so silly.)
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RE: Official Head Covering Support Thread - 12/8/2008 12:00:06 AM
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Well, judging by the beautiful daughter you created with your husband, I am sure it looks great!!! :)
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RE: Official Head Covering Support Thread - 12/11/2008 2:08:09 PM
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Thank you Sandy! I've been wanting to order one of the black with silver ones, so I'll be sure to get one tomorrow after hubby gets paid.
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RE: Official Head Covering Support Thread - 12/12/2008 12:13:48 PM
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I just realized another possible benefit of headcovering, although I think it would only work if you covered ALL of your hair (which I don't/wouldn't). I went to do a therapy session with a family (I work in early intervention), and after I'd been there about 20 minutes, Dad nonchalantly told me that 2 of the 4 kids had head lice and they were having trouble getting rid of it.  I'm wondering if putting my hair all up might not be in order next time I visit that particular house.
Sandy- those tiechels are really pretty. I don't like the feeling of having my hair off of my neck though.
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RE: Official Head Covering Support Thread - 12/12/2008 4:11:45 PM
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Me, too! I don't like my hair anywhere on face or neck, lol.
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RE: Official Head Covering Support Thread - 12/12/2008 10:53:17 PM
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Ok, I have another question. I was talking to somebody who doesn't cut her hair and always wears it up. She told me that cutting your hair or covering is a sin because if you understand your bible, you will see that the hair of the woman is the only thing that covers your family. I can't remember all of the details because I so wasn't getting it, but I just had to ask. I can't remember where the scripture is that leads people to cover, but she was talking about the Armour that God gives us and if you take notice, the only thing we have for our backs is our long hair.
Ok, I am not going to start a debate because first of all, if that is the case, then my family is so totally unprotected since my hair is not long, but I can't find what she is talking about. She referred to it as the armour of God. She talked about your hands and feet and a sword.
So she told me to cover your hair is also a sin. How can the bible support both views?
The Bible says that a woman's long hair is her glory. It doesn't cover your family. She has a lot of misconceptions about the Armour of God (which is described in Ephesians) and what it says about covering (I Corinthians).
The Bible never says it is a sin to cover your hair....
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RE: Official Head Covering Support Thread - 12/12/2008 11:00:10 PM
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I don't know what I think about covering. I can see why people do it and sometimes I do think it is something we all should do, but then again, I look at my church and can't believe that God is going to condemn all these women for not covering. Too much for me to deal with.
Read what is said about covering in I Corinthians...there is never any condemnation attached to covering or not covering. It merely states that you must make up your own mind (let God convict you to what HE wants YOU to do) and that there is not to be any dissension or division over it (in other words....no pointing of fingers, judging one another etc over whether or not one covers). It is an act of obedience to a specific conviction God places on your heart.
It is like whether one is dresses only, or is allowed the liberty of jeans, etc. God leads us where we, as individuals, need to be led...and in HIS timing for our lives. Doesn't mean someone is more or less mature, but that God deals with us according to where we need to grow.
By the way..I cover 99 percent of the time (I don't wear a covering to bed, and sometimes I do forget to put one on in the morning when I am in a hurry). I use lace circlets, and just handkerchief style scarves mostly.
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RE: Official Head Covering Support Thread - 12/14/2008 7:21:40 PM
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Read what is said about covering in I Corinthians...there is never any condemnation attached to covering or not covering. It merely states that you must make up your own mind (let God convict you to what HE wants YOU to do) and that there is not to be any dissension or division over it (in other words....no pointing of fingers, judging one another etc over whether or not one covers). It is an act of obedience to a specific conviction God places on your heart.
It is like whether one is dresses only, or is allowed the liberty of jeans, etc. God leads us where we, as individuals, need to be led...and in HIS timing for our lives. Doesn't mean someone is more or less mature, but that God deals with us according to where we need to grow.
Just wanted to repeat this. This is the best explantation I have heard yet.
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my soldier! 
And there was the pastor who took me aside and accused me of spiritual pride for headcovering. Other than that, most people are just curious, in a nice way.
People get a little carried away, I think. 
The things ppeople come up with... 
