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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 10:16:45 AM
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BWAHAHAHAHA anyone who believes that McCain is a clone of Bush hasn't paid attention to things for the last 8 years.
I've paid close attention. I have a son who could be drafted, if it were to be re instituted.
McCain is a warmonger.
No he's not. He understands the costs more than anyone on the ticket what war is all about. It is sometimes necessary and should be the last resort. He's got two sons in the military (both have done tours in Iraq) and one at the Naval Academy.
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 10:19:45 AM
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Palin's Teleprompter Broke during her speech!! Love this contrast too. So much for speaking as one of OBs great talents lol.
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Unfazed, Governor Palin continued, from memory, to deliver her speech without the teleprompter cued to the appropriate point in her speech.
Contrast this to Barack Obama who, when last his teleprompter malfunctioned, was left stuttering before a crowd unable to advance his speech until the problem was resolved.
http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/sep/04/breaking-sarah-palin-winged-her-speech-bec/
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 10:19:55 AM
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As far as the attacks, yes they could have been prevented had Clinton not been preoccupied with interns when the WTC was first attacked.
Unfortunately for the veractity of that cheap shot, the perpetrators of the WTC bombings were pursued, investigated, arrested, charged, tried, convicted, sentenced, and imprisoned by the Clinton administration. As the saying goes, what more do you want, fries with that?
Just as a reminder, the Bush Gang, seven years later, is still working on 'pursued' the perps of the 911 attacks.
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 10:20:12 AM
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Purely political grandstanding.
It could have been prevented and wasn't.....
Um.... it was a political party's national convention.
Watching a political party's national convention and expecting them not to be grandstanding is like watching the infomercial channel and expecting them not to try to sell you a cheap juicer in 4 easy installments.
If you didn't want to see political grandstanding, you should have flipped over to the season premier of Bones with me. (I caught Palin's speech later. hee.)
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 10:24:55 AM
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That is as far from the truth as anything I have ever heard.
John McCain knows better than most what war really is and what it does to people. No military man, and certainly no former POW, wants another war. John McCain has never, ever indicated any tendency to rush to war.
Really?
check this out
8 years? How about the last twenty?
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 10:26:31 AM
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Purely political grandstanding.
It could have been prevented and wasn't.....
Um.... it was a political party's national convention.
Watching a political party's national convention and expecting them not to be grandstanding is like watching the infomercial channel and expecting them not to try to sell you a cheap juicer in 4 easy installments.
If you didn't want to see political grandstanding, you should have flipped over to the season premier of Bones with me. (I caught Palin's speech later. hee.)
Indeed. Ever heard the expression "preaching to the choir"? Those in attendance at the RNC - delegates, Republican dignitaries, military men & women - expected to hear about how fantastic the GOP is, and how much more prepared McCain and Palin are, than Obama and Biden, to lead this country.
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 10:29:22 AM
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If you didn't want to see political grandstanding, you should have flipped over to the season premier of Bones with me. (I caught Palin's speech later. hee.)
Maybe it's just me, but I saw all the promises Bush made to get elected and I watched everyone of them turn around and bite him in the behind when he failed to follow through.
I don't want to see the political grandstanding from a candidate, nor do I want to entertain the bashing.
I just want to hear the problems and their proposed solutions to it.
The rell problems of America. The real solutions to these problems. I don't want to hear promises that they make in order to get votes and then fail to accomplish.
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 10:32:45 AM
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That is as far from the truth as anything I have ever heard.
John McCain knows better than most what war really is and what it does to people. No military man, and certainly no former POW, wants another war. John McCain has never, ever indicated any tendency to rush to war.
Really?
check this out
8 years? How about the last twenty?
The link you provided was an opinion column which did a pretty good job of twisting much of what McCain had written about in one of his books. It has no real quotes from McCain and certainly nothing which disputes what I said.
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 10:37:07 AM
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If you didn't want to see political grandstanding, you should have flipped over to the season premier of Bones with me. (I caught Palin's speech later. hee.)
Maybe it's just me, but I saw all the promises Bush made to get elected and I watched everyone of them turn around and bite him in the behind when he failed to follow through.
I don't want to see the political grandstanding from a candidate, nor do I want to entertain the bashing.
I just want to hear the problems and their proposed solutions to it.
The rell problems of America. The real solutions to these problems. I don't want to hear promises that they make in order to get votes and then fail to accomplish.
Obama's acceptance speech was filled with political grandstanding (which I don't object to in an acceptance speech to his party) in which he made several promises which began "I will...". The simple fact is that very few, if any, of those promises can he deliver without the cooperation of Congress. Now I will admit he would probably have a friendly Congress to work with but shouldn't the proper way to express the promises be "We will..."? Obama was not only grandstanding but he was putting his enormous ego on public display.
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 10:42:05 AM
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Obama's acceptance speech was filled with political grandstanding (which I don't object to in an acceptance speech to his party) in which he made several promises which began "I will...". The simple fact is that very few, if any, of those promises can he deliver without the cooperation of Congress. Now I will admit he would probably have a friendly Congress to work with but shouldn't the proper way to express the promises be "We will..."? Obama was not only grandstanding but he was putting his enormous ego on public display.
As I said before, I don't like to hear it from either party. I think it wastes the countries time.
They need to be focusing on the solutions to the problems.
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 10:44:41 AM
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That is as far from the truth as anything I have ever heard.
John McCain knows better than most what war really is and what it does to people. No military man, and certainly no former POW, wants another war. John McCain has never, ever indicated any tendency to rush to war.
Really?
check this out
8 years? How about the last twenty?
That article was a bunch of opinions without facts,and didn't mention how he voted against deploying troops in Beirut years ago. Most of the opinions were slanderous biased commentaires. DD that stuff is rubbish, do you have anything with substance?
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 10:47:33 AM
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Maybe it's just me, but I saw all the promises Bush made to get elected and I watched everyone of them turn around and bite him in the behind when he failed to follow through.
I don't want to see the political grandstanding from a candidate, nor do I want to entertain the bashing.
I just want to hear the problems and their proposed solutions to it.
The rell problems of America. The real solutions to these problems. I don't want to hear promises that they make in order to get votes and then fail to accomplish.
I watched the DNC pretty much in its entirety. It was political grandstanding too.
The problems and their proposed solutions ARE the promises they're making in order to get votes. Whether or not they will accomplish them I suppose remains to be seen.
They did a lot of bashing too, though Obama primarily bashed Bush his whole speech... then equated McCain to Bush. I'm not going cut paste the thing, read the transcript for yourself. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/us/politics/28text-obama.html
Didn't bother me really. The entire point of a convention is to stand up in front of your enthusiastic supporters and a) make promises about what you're going to do and b) make dire warnings about what your opponent is going to do. That's just what they're for. Don't watch a convention and expect no promises or bashing. Don't go to Home Depot and try to buy groceries. *shrug*
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 11:12:00 AM
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Is it just me, or is it a bit hypocritical and a sign of blind allegiance to the Dems, when someone comes on here, says "Dems did not attack Republicans as much as the Republicans attacked the Dems", and then goes on the attack and attacks Sen McCain as "a Bush clone". Exscuse me, that IS an attack, and you are PROVING that this is politics and BOTH sides do this ALOT. The fact that you claim not to have seen as many Dem attacks on Republicans during the DNC is evidence that you are biased towards Sen Obama and the rest of the DNC, and view what they say as truth, rather than attacks.
Atleast I, and many other Republicans have the intelectual honesty to admit that last nights speaches did have alot of attacks against the DNC and Sen Obama, but I believe they were good and needed. It is about time the RNC started to grow a backbone.
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 11:15:00 AM
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Am I the only one that is bothered by the bashing? Doesn't anyone else look beyond the entertainment factor of a good cut down fight?
This is the future of our country.
Don't ya'll want to know what's behind the promises? Not just what sounds good? To find out the real meat behind their position?
We aren't talking about a popularity contest as in who wind the seat of president for the student council.
This is the most important presidential election of all time.
A third WW is a mistake away. Our economics are in shambles. Our veterans are suffering, the illegal aliens are receiving more rights to this country than it's own citizens.
These are important issues that will affect everyone of us.
I couldn't care less about the candidate who has the sly tongue and can cut someone to the bones.
That just means they don't have a real stand behind their presentation. Take the focus off the issue and place the emphasis on the person.
Smoke and mirrors.
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 11:21:30 AM
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Am I the only one that is bothered by the bashing? Doesn't anyone else look beyond the entertainment factor of a good cut down fight?
This is the future of our country.
Don't ya'll want to know what's behind the promises? Not just what sounds good? To find out the real meat behind their position?
We aren't talking about a popularity contest as in who wind the seat of president for the student council.
This is the most important presidential election of all time.
A third WW is a mistake away. Our economics are in shambles. Our veterans are suffering, the illegal aliens are receiving more rights to this country than it's own citizens.
These are important issues that will affect everyone of us.
I couldn't care less about the candidate who has the sly tongue and can cut someone to the bones.
That just means they don't have a real stand behind their presentation. Take the focus off the issue and place the emphasis on the person.
Smoke and mirrors.
So you are tired of the bashing, but from your own mouth (hands...whatever) you call Sen McCain a "Bush clone". Do you know what a hypocrite is?
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 11:23:37 AM
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Obama's acceptance speech was filled with political grandstanding (which I don't object to in an acceptance speech to his party) in which he made several promises which began "I will...".
Obama's speech defined 29 different policy positions he would seek to implement if elected.
What specifics did Palin's speech define, other than a constant mantra of "McCain good, Obama bad"?
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 11:25:34 AM
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Obama's acceptance speech was filled with political grandstanding (which I don't object to in an acceptance speech to his party) in which he made several promises which began "I will...".
Obama's speech defined 29 different policy positions he would seek to implement if elected.
What specifics did Palin's speech define, other than a constant mantra of "McCain good, Obama bad"?
I love it, the Dem top half ticket is constantly being compared to the repub bottom half ticket! I think this is a political first, can't ever remember this happening before. Too bad McCain is out of Obama's league.
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 11:26:13 AM
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Obama's acceptance speech was filled with political grandstanding (which I don't object to in an acceptance speech to his party) in which he made several promises which began "I will...".
Obama's speech defined 29 different policy positions he would seek to implement if elected.
What specifics did Palin's speech define, other than a constant mantra of "McCain good, Obama bad"?
Well, what specifics did Biden's speech define, other than a constant mantra of "Obama good, McCain bad"?
Palin's goal at the convention was two-fold: introduce herself to the American people as the VP Republican candidate, and talk about John McCain as the best choice for the next President. She accomplished that. Boy did she.
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 11:29:23 AM
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I have never been so anxious to see a VP debate.
It will be the baracuda against the large mouthed bass.
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 11:30:09 AM
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No, bashing doesn't bother me, because yes, bashing is necessary, and frankly very very useful when factual.
Do you only check the wonderful things the manufacturer says about their car when you go buy one, or do you go out to consumer report sites and make sure that the car is actually wonderful before you buy one?
Do you buy a house based on the glossy sheet the realtor trying to sell it gave you, or do you get a home inspector in to make sure that the house really IS as perfect as they say it is before you buy it?
Until I see the day where a candidate honestly gives me all the cons about themselves along with the pros, I'm going to want to see what those people who aren't in favor of that candidate say about him or her. And who's less in favor than the opposing candidate?
Otherwise... VICE PRESIDENT. It is not her JOB to define her platform's positions. Much as people like to pretend that this is a race between Obama and Palin (I guess to try to even out the lack of experience for either of them?), the actual race is between Obama and McCain, and McCain hasn't had his big speech yet. Patience.
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 11:31:41 AM
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Well, what specifics did Biden's speech define, other than a constant mantra of "Obama good, McCain bad"?
Palin's goal at the convention was two-fold: introduce herself to the American people as the VP Republican candidate, and talk about John McCain as the best choice for the next President. She accomplished that. Boy did she.
Yeah, people keep comparing her speech to Obama's (which says something right there) - they forget she is just the VP; it would be the John McCain's job to flesh out the details.
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 11:34:38 AM
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Obama's acceptance speech was filled with political grandstanding (which I don't object to in an acceptance speech to his party) in which he made several promises which began "I will...".
Obama's speech defined 29 different policy positions he would seek to implement if elected.
What specifics did Palin's speech define, other than a constant mantra of "McCain good, Obama bad"?
Well, what specifics did Biden's speech define, other than a constant mantra of "Obama good, McCain bad"?
Palin's goal at the convention was two-fold: introduce herself to the American people as the VP Republican candidate, and talk about John McCain as the best choice for the next President. She accomplished that. Boy did she.
TRANSCRIPT OF SEN BIDEN'S VP SPEECH
Nearly identical in form and content as Gov Palin. Praising their running mate, attacking the Opponent.
Though it IS interesting as someone already said, that Gov Palin's speech is being compaired not to her rival Sen Biden, but rather the Presidential candidate Sen Obama. Maybe, just maybe, if Sen McCain does not introduce police in his speech, the dems may have a point. But to critisize Gov Palin for not laying out alot of policy in her speech, while ignoring that Sen Biden's speech was identical in form to hers, is rather hypocritical, and a sign that the Dems are very afraid of Gov Palin and what she has to offer. Word to the wise, Gov Palin is running for VP not President. There IS a difference. Stop comparing her words to Sen Obama's! Doing so brings her UP and Sen Obama DOWN!
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 11:41:44 AM
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This is the most important presidential election of all time.
A third WW is a mistake away. Our economics are in shambles. Our veterans are suffering, the illegal aliens are receiving more rights to this country than it's own citizens.
These are important issues that will affect everyone of us.
I agree that this is a very important, perhaps even the most important election of our time.
The issues you point out are also very important, indeed. But a couple of things need to be corrected.
First, the economy is not in shambles by any measure. We are not in a recession and have not been in one since shortly after Bush took office. Words mean things and there are specific definitions. A recession is defined as two consecutive quarters of NEGATIVE economic growth. We have not had such. Growth has slowed but has not gone negative for any two consecutive quarters. Unemployment has spiked slightly in recent months but remains near historic lows. Inflation remains under control despite the rapid increase in oil price and interest rates are also near historic lows. The panic concerning the economy is the most overstated issue in the current political discussion.
Secondly, veterans are suffering and really do need more attention. I whole heartedly agree. But please recall that this year a new G.I Bill was passed and signed into law by President Bush which is the largest increase in veteran's benefits in history. Much more needs to be done to ensure the medical treatment of wounded veterans but at least the issue of veterans benefits has been improved this year.
Obama has stated that this election will be decided on the economy. He, and the Democrats, are counting on all the propaganda they have been pushing which is really, as you put it, smoke and mirrors.
I believe the real issue is national security and that is where there are stark differences between Obama and McCain. Within this national security issue is border security, energy security, international terrorism, and the current wars in Iraq and Afganistan.
The bashing that is going on is expected. Both sides expect it so don't let your heart be troubled. Each side states their side while doing their best to misrepresent the other side through parsing words and taking quotes out of context. The thing we need to do is discern the best we can what each candidate is saying and disregard (as much as possible) what one candidate says the other is saying. It seems to me that considering the stark difference between the two candidates this is not too hard to do.
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 11:42:02 AM
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My personal oppinion and is still so early to make a full picture of it at this early stage:
As a woman I like her style, she can be tough as bulldog with lipstick/hockey mom style, I am more into soccer thou, well..  But is great that we have a woman as a candidate and we can see all the nasty things that can be brought up just because she is a working mother of many kids...that are a lot of hard working mothers in this country from many walks of life! It is good that we can see lots of issues brought up just because a running candidate is a woman. Than I do think most down to earth, commomsense people will get that: the unfairness of the game that does not stick with what matters and the reality that women are multi tasking all over the place and so many single, divorced moms, doing it mostly alone with little support they can get, still many do strive doing the best they can do.
Now, what I see is that not only because she is a woman, the women voters will identify with her as casting votes goes, because by embracing her they will have to embrace McCain and the Republican party of George Bush and the reality of things of the last 8 years. Moms are thinking about the future of their kids and they sure will think pretty hard about casting their votes in November, those same Moms will not buy the ticket of Democrat being baby killiers, as some in this board may bring up over and over..as many are already being beat up by the reality and heritage of the present administration brought to the reality of their lives now. What Moms all over USA of many walks of life can say about their lives now? What the last 8 years brought to their tables and personal lives?
Than the question to many still deciding will be continue with the present affair of things and just change faces or try something really new that will make a real difference in the last 4 years?
This election is trully exciting because many many are observing and want to see who trully are the best candidates reggarding real solutions for real problems people are facing and very much tired see the same old same old politician promisses during elections and not much comming throu from the same old faces seated in their same chairs for long long time. It is just natural things to change as young people comming to vote for the 1st time and want their voices to be heard and their many voices may be very different from the parents and grandparents.
I am not into politics but very much enthusiastic about this election and the amount of voters who finaly decide that to vote is to be heard and each vote does matter in a true democracy! One thing I do know we as christians will be praying for the new administration and for USA as the Bible does tell us to do so.
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RE: RNC Convention Thread - 9/4/2008 11:49:19 AM
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What I find interesting is the number of Democratic (and some Republican) men who seem completely threatened by her; I think it says a lot about a man when he can't handle the thought of a strong woman.
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