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RE: Why must forgiveness be so costly for the Forgiver? - 9/16/2008 6:17:02 AM
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SureHope
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Athanasius sums it up this way: It was for our sorry state that Jesus came to die.
All things being equal this should at the very least suggest that Jesus humbled himself and died for us out of love and not, as so often is overly stressed, died to appease an angry Dad.
peace.
The Lord Jesus did humble Himself and, being motivated by love for us, He died instead of us. The question still remains, why did He have to die for us to bring forgiveness? The Scriputure is clear, He took on the penalty for our sin which is the wrath of God. This shows us the depths of God's love for us. In spite of our God dishonoring sin, Christ Jesus became a curse for us that we might become the righteousness of God in Him; He receieved that which was due for us, in order to bring us to Himself, a people justified and acceptable in His sight. This shows us the depths of God's love for us.
Blessings,
SH
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RE: Why must forgiveness be so costly for the Forgiver? - 9/16/2008 7:33:37 PM
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Surehope: (I like this screen name)
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ORIGINAL: SureHope
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ORIGINAL: emerging
Athanasius sums it up this way: It was for our sorry state that Jesus came to die.
All things being equal this should at the very least suggest that Jesus humbled himself and died for us out of love and not, as so often is overly stressed, died to appease an angry Dad.
peace.
The Lord Jesus did humble Himself and, being motivated by love for us, He died instead of us. The question still remains, why did He have to die for us to bring forgiveness? The Scriputure is clear, He took on the penalty for our sin which is the wrath of God. This shows us the depths of God's love for us. In spite of our God dishonoring sin, Christ Jesus became a curse for us that we might become the righteousness of God in Him; He receieved that which was due for us, in order to bring us to Himself, a people justified and acceptable in His sight. This shows us the depths of God's love for us.
Blessings,
SH
I agree fully with your post. "Jesus paid it all" "All to him I owe"!!!!
2Preacher
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RE: Why is forgiveness so costly for the Forgiver? - 9/23/2008 3:22:15 PM
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Sammy_S
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Because sin is such a horrid thing,the one who must get rid of such a horrid thing must suffer a horrid thing.
Hope it makes sense.
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Christ saved you from the wrath of an almighty God. Hell is just a revelation of that. I always tell people this. God saved you from Himself, God saved you for Himself and God saved you by Himself."
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RE: Why is forgiveness so costly for the Forgiver? - 9/23/2008 4:49:05 PM
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SureHope
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ORIGINAL: Sammy_S
Because sin is such a horrid thing,the one who must get rid of such a horrid thing must suffer a horrid thing.
Hope it makes sense.
Sure does. Jesus became a propitiation to take on the horrid punishment for our horrid sin.
We really do not see how horrid sin is until we see something of God's holiness, righteousness, justice.
We really do not see how merciful and gracious God is until we see how He has forgiven us (or the extent He took to bring forgiveness to us).
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RE: Why must forgiveness be so costly for the Forgiver? - 9/23/2008 4:51:01 PM
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2Preacher,
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"Jesus paid it all" "All to him I owe"!!!!
Amen to that! 
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RE: Why is forgiveness so costly for the Forgiver? - 9/23/2008 5:11:58 PM
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Sammy_S
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ORIGINAL: SureHope
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ORIGINAL: Sammy_S
Because sin is such a horrid thing,the one who must get rid of such a horrid thing must suffer a horrid thing.
Hope it makes sense.
Sure does. Jesus became a propitiation to take on the horrid punishment for our horrid sin.
We really do not see how horrid sin is until we see something of God's holiness, righteousness, justice.
We really do not see how merciful and gracious God is until we see how He has forgiven us (or the extent He took to bring forgiveness to us).
The Lord has done a mighty thing and may my soul be glad in it.
How great is the Lord's grace that he would chose to crush his only son for a wretched man like me?The only one who has lead the father to say"This is my son in whom I'm well pleased"..
My Lord was not crushed for a righteous man,My Lord was not crushed for a mighty king,Oh My Lord was not crushed for a man who loved the lord.
But My Lord was crushed for a little boy who hated the Lord with all soul,yet Christ laid down his life for me gladly..
Forgive me as I marvel over what the Lord has done!
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Christ saved you from the wrath of an almighty God. Hell is just a revelation of that. I always tell people this. God saved you from Himself, God saved you for Himself and God saved you by Himself."
Paul Washer
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RE: Why is forgiveness so costly for the Forgiver? - 9/23/2008 9:13:08 PM
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SureHope
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ORIGINAL: Sammy_S
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ORIGINAL: SureHope
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ORIGINAL: Sammy_S
Because sin is such a horrid thing,the one who must get rid of such a horrid thing must suffer a horrid thing.
Hope it makes sense.
Sure does. Jesus became a propitiation to take on the horrid punishment for our horrid sin.
We really do not see how horrid sin is until we see something of God's holiness, righteousness, justice.
We really do not see how merciful and gracious God is until we see how He has forgiven us (or the extent He took to bring forgiveness to us).
The Lord has done a mighty thing and may my soul be glad in it.
How great is the Lord's grace that he would chose to crush his only son for a wretched man like me?The only one who has lead the father to say"This is my son in whom I'm well pleased"..
My Lord was not crushed for a righteous man,My Lord was not crushed for a mighty king,Oh My Lord was not crushed for a man who loved the lord.
But My Lord was crushed for a little boy who hated the Lord with all soul,yet Christ laid down his life for me gladly..
Forgive me as I marvel over what the Lord has done!
I'm with you Sammy_S
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RE: Why is forgiveness so costly for the Forgiver? - 9/27/2008 12:14:03 AM
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2Preacher
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Sammy_s:
I agree with your post. Sin is a horrid thing. It is horrid because it is against a totally holy and righteous God. Sin is a HORRID thing because it is the cause of Christ's death. It was for our sin that he died. He ''who KNEW NO SIN" became Sin "for us". Just the thought of that should send shivers up one's spine and cause us to weep profusely because of our own unworthiness.
It also magnifies the greatness and majesty of God's GRACE to us. It truly is Amazing. This fact, should produce a great cry of thanksgiving and praise to unceasingly flow from our hearts. At the same time it should produce humility in us because NONE OF US deserves this magnificent gift of forgiveness and grace.
2Preacher
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RE: Why must forgiveness be so costly for the Forgiver? - 9/30/2008 1:59:06 PM
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I will put in a quick answer without reading many posts. Probably someone has already said what I am about to say. God had to punish sin. He can't just forgive men. He has to punish sin because He is perfectly just and His just wrath at our sin has to be appeased....'to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness (fairness, justice), that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus'. (Rom. 3:26) Man's sin creates a problem for God in that He has to be able to forgive men for sin and at the same time punish men for sin. This 'problem' is resolved at the cross: 'For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.' (2 Cor. 5:21)
God bless,
Galadriel2
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RE: Why must forgiveness be so costly for the Forgiver? - 9/30/2008 2:17:54 PM
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I disagree with the one post that Jesus came primarily out of love for those who would believe or out of love for men - not that He doesn't love men. Jesus came to earth and died primarily out of love for His Father and He came to earth to demonstrate that love in doing His will that was to die for sinful men. God the Father also manifests His love for His Son while Jesus is on earth. This isn't about us. It is about God and His plan for history. Our selfish natures tend to cause us to imagine that everything revolves around us, just how in the Medieval era men thought that the planets and the sun revolved around the earth....'That in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth - in Him...that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.' (Eph. 1:10; 2:7) Its about honoring Christ, His Son, and showing off His grace in saving a group of called out sinners and turning them into sons of God.
God bless,
Galadriel2
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