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Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/1/2008 3:24:28 PM
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jchaz
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I know the economics of our day are lean for everyone. Especially our beloved SG artists.
But how would you feel if during their lengthy sales pitch, an artist (on the second day of a multi-day event) vehemently suggested that the audience hadn't sufficiently supported their particular group by making purchases at their product table the day before? How about if this artist went on to explain that they had turned down TWO paying dates to be a part of this multi-group event? Do you feel this kind of beratement acceptable?
Let's keep this discussion hypothetical. Mentioning actual names aren't important in this discussion, not to mention against forum policy.
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/1/2008 3:40:07 PM
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That approach would certainly turn me off from further supporting that group.
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/1/2008 3:44:47 PM
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I'm with Frog on that one...It would turn me completely off.
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/1/2008 4:28:34 PM
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Definitely a turn off. I know it's expensive to be on the road, but that attitude would not get any money out of my pocket.
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/1/2008 4:47:45 PM
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Agreed. That would be a total deal-breaker for me. If they made a bad business decision by appearing there, suck it up, learn from it, and go on, but do not talk down to or berate the audience because of it.
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/1/2008 8:06:48 PM
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Surely that has not happened but very well could have. That would be very upsetting.
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/1/2008 8:10:39 PM
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I am like Santa. I hav enever seen anything like this happen and I hope I never do.
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/1/2008 8:12:30 PM
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I think it depends how they do it. I have no problem with groups talking about their products and mentioning their sales but it sounds like the group you're referring to went overboard. It's hard to find a balance when finances are tight for so many!
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/1/2008 8:55:17 PM
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quote:
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Surely that has not happened but very well could have. That would be very upsetting.
Unfortunately, it did happen. This person's group(s) has/have been a part of this event for several years, and knows that it's not a very high paying date, as far as a flat is concerned. But, traditionally, most group's product sales have always been more than adequate to cover their travel expenses - especially if the large crowd takes a liking to your singing. Apparently, that didn't happen, and this person 'went off' on the crowd. I was astonished that it was so blatant, but then, again... nothing surprises me from this artist anymore. A few years ago at this same venue, this artist was playing 'PA Games" with some of the local talent. That really saddens me that this has happened now. Again, I am not here to name names - so don't even go there. I just wanted to get a feel for what you - the epitome of SG fans- would think about such actions from a somewhat prominent SG performer.
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/1/2008 9:24:57 PM
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As my Daddy used to say, Every thing that shines ain't Gold--I have seen enough of that kind of stuff to last a Lifetime--So Sad
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/1/2008 9:29:42 PM
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That really saddens me but doesn't surprise me that someone would act that way. I think that person needs to do some soul searching. I understand the economic needs of keeping a singing ministry on the road but that behavior isn't acceptable...he may have turned a soul away from Christ.
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/1/2008 9:37:43 PM
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That really saddens me but doesn't surprise me that someone would act that way. I think that person needs to do some soul searching. I understand the economic needs of keeping a singing ministry on the road but that behavior isn't acceptable...he may have turned a soul away from Christ.
You are exactly right. I can imagine that something like that would have a negative impact on a lost person in the audience. I've heard lost people use the excuse that church is just a "money racket" before. If a lost person with that state of mind was in the audience, then they would most likely leave with a false justification on their faulty way of thinking.
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/1/2008 10:05:08 PM
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Let's keep this discussion hypothetical. Mentioning actual names aren't important in this discussion, not to mention against forum policy.
Understandable.
I think it's unprofessional.
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/1/2008 10:11:34 PM
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Surely that has not happened but very well could have. That would be very upsetting.
Unfortunately, it did happen. This person's group(s) has/have been a part of this event for several years, and knows that it's not a very high paying date, as far as a flat is concerned. But, traditionally, most group's product sales have always been more than adequate to cover their travel expenses - especially if the large crowd takes a liking to your singing. Apparently, that didn't happen, and this person 'went off' on the crowd. I was astonished that it was so blatant, but then, again... nothing surprises me from this artist anymore. A few years ago at this same venue, this artist was playing 'PA Games" with some of the local talent. That really saddens me that this has happened now. Again, I am not here to name names - so don't even go there. I just wanted to get a feel for what you - the epitome of SG fans- would think about such actions from a somewhat prominent SG performer.
Whining or scolding does not work with me.
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/1/2008 10:17:48 PM
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I'm actually glad that you're not naming names. Such unprofessional behavior should be justly rewarded by people avoiding concerts in droves. JMHO.
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/1/2008 10:24:04 PM
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quote:
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ORIGINAL: Smokymtnsanta
Surely that has not happened but very well could have. That would be very upsetting.
Unfortunately, it did happen. This person's group(s) has/have been a part of this event for several years, and knows that it's not a very high paying date, as far as a flat is concerned. But, traditionally, most group's product sales have always been more than adequate to cover their travel expenses - especially if the large crowd takes a liking to your singing. Apparently, that didn't happen, and this person 'went off' on the crowd. I was astonished that it was so blatant, but then, again... nothing surprises me from this artist anymore. A few years ago at this same venue, this artist was playing "PA GAMES"with some of the local talent. That really saddens me that this has happened now. Again, I am not here to name names - so don't even go there. I just wanted to get a feel for what you - the epitome of SG fans- would think about such actions from a somewhat prominent SG performer.
I tought those PA Games were only played on the local/regional level. It is very sad a few are so petty as to adversely affect someone's performance and potentially ruining the chance the the message of salvation to reach a lost soul.
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/2/2008 12:03:06 AM
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That really saddens me but doesn't surprise me that someone would act that way. I think that person needs to do some soul searching. I understand the economic needs of keeping a singing ministry on the road but that behavior isn't acceptable...he may have turned a soul away from Christ.
You are exactly right. I can imagine that something like that would have a negative impact on a lost person in the audience. I've heard lost people use the excuse that church is just a "money racket" before. If a lost person with that state of mind was in the audience, then they would most likely leave with a false justification on their faulty way of thinking.
I have seen this happen at a concert I attended with a friend who never attends church & has no plans to ever go. Someone, & I will not name names either, went on & on about money. I have never been able to get her to go to another concert with me for that reason.
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/2/2008 6:33:58 AM
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It sounds like that artist was pretty desperate but I hope that wasn't something he does regularly. It would certainly offend me if an artist did that at a concert I was attending.
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/2/2008 7:39:28 AM
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Bad move. If this turns into consistent behavior for that particular artist, they may work themselves off the road and right out of business.
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/2/2008 9:30:50 AM
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Is it usually the same crowd both nights? If not, it seems kinda illogical to "go off" on a crowd one night for what the crowd did (or didn't do) the night before. How nice of them.
By the way, I've never heard the term, "pa games"...I'm assuming you mean they mest with the levels of another group to disrupt their performance. That is horrible!
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/2/2008 9:34:56 AM
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I can see where some artists might fall into the hard sell trap, because it is frustrating when you go to a church and you sell little or no product. I've always found it strange how I can sell everything on the table one night, then be standing there all by my lonesome the next!
But I firmly believe that hard selling will NOT drive another person to your product table. In fact, it's likely to have the opposite effect.
I figure that most people expect an artist to have product for sale, and I personally only make the briefest of mentions as to where the table is located. If they like what i do, they'll buy it. If not, then they won't.
Or does that make too much sense?
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/2/2008 10:03:39 AM
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I figure that most people expect an artist to have product for sale, and I personally only make the briefest of mentions as to where the table is located. If they like what i do, they'll buy it. If not, then they won't.
Or does that make too much sense?
I'm with you Tafkam! We very rarely ever mention our product table at all from stage and still people buy our product. I figure that, like you said, the crowd most likely knows that we have product for sale and they will search it out if they want to purchase something. I find that most people that approach the table have already decided to make a purchase before they arrive there. Very rarely do people come to the table to just "browse" and THEN decide to buy something.
Personally, I just don't really like the sales pitches at concerts at all myself.....and, yes, that came from a person who went to college and got a marketing degree! We've done them a few times but usually only if all of the other artists do them on a multi-group concert but when we're on a concert alone we very rarely ever do one at all.
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/2/2008 10:14:10 AM
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Of course by the same token, there are churches that go out of their way to make it difficult. I had one church that required that I put my product table in a Sunday School room located two flights of steps below the worship center.......needless to say, most folks aren't going to work that hard just for a CD!
So sometimes the host church can be a culprit in your success or failure as well!
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RE: Should An Artist 'Hard Sell' Product? - 9/2/2008 10:58:25 AM
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As a promoter my two cents worth would be that any artist who would pull such a trick on me would kindly be escorted off the stage to NEVER return again! In all my years of promoting I have only had one group complain about their offering and table sales, only one! I strongly feel that if the group is worth their salt they shouldn't have to worry about their table sales, people will buy it if it merits purchasing! Maybe your hypothetical group should go sell cars or something!
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