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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/2/2008 3:40:15 PM
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AdrianaS
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I think the vast majority of them are very experienced lawyers, previous judges (at the appelate level) and many were scholars. Where they differ is on Constitutional philosophy rather than experience.
How many Constitutional philosophies there are? They come up with their own or is already something law people, Judges, learn from others who wrote books and etc?
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/2/2008 4:05:43 PM
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What this "legislating by the bench" means ? ( i may lost in translation in my head, lots informations going on.)
The simply following the Constitution would be what supose to be and even "neutral" by the law, I supose.
Legislating from the bench is a way of saying that certain judges exceed what is in the Constitution and use cases to make significant legislative changes across the nation. For example, Roe v. Wade struck down laws in over forty states, and made abortion legal, though the Constitution says nothing at all about abortion.
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How many Constitutional philosophies there are? They come up with their own or is already something law people, Judges, learn from others who wrote books and etc?
Well in the broadest sense, currently on the bench there are two main ones – one that holds that the Constitution should be read exactly as it is written, and that it is applicable only to those subjects it specifically covers, and those who believe it is a ‘living document’ and can be understood differently over time, and thus it can encompass an issue like abortion or gay marriage despite the fact the writers never included either in it.
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/2/2008 5:08:01 PM
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Legislating from the bench is a way of saying that certain judges exceed what is in the Constitution and use cases to make significant legislative changes across the nation. For example, Roe v. Wade struck down laws in over forty states, and made abortion legal, though the Constitution says nothing at all about abortion.
Than before this SC ruled abortion was illegal in 40 states? I dont understand many things...a lot of things..is not the USA = United StateS of America as those States have freedom of their own, what freedom is that when the Federal gov have the power to erase the States decisions? Why can they do that without cast voting from States inhabitants the new federal law will affect them all of the sundenly? When a state rebel with federal decision what happens? Hmmm...dont know but is not right all states get together to vote and pay tax and many things etc and then the Federal Judge Supreme Court disregard 40 states or even 1 state peoples decision. There would be no federal gov if there were no states! Not right dispise any state as little it may be, it can become situation of injustice.
Another question that I still did not grab yet: the USA is a democracy and a republic, than the 2 parties when they say are "Democrat and Republican" they still believe in democracy and republic equally or by them naming themselves like that they will embrace one more than the other? The Democrats and Republicans standings (forgetting for the moment the abortion and sexual issues) are really about what in their root when they were born as parties?
Thanks again, for patience in explaining. I left school long time ago dont remember much.
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/2/2008 7:10:59 PM
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Than before this SC ruled abortion was illegal in 40 states? I dont understand many things...a lot of things..is not the USA = United StateS of America as those States have freedom of their own, what freedom is that when the Federal gov have the power to erase the States decisions? Why can they do that without cast voting from States inhabitants the new federal law will affect them all of the sundenly? When a state rebel with federal decision what happens? Hmmm...dont know but is not right all states get together to vote and pay tax and many things etc and then the Federal Judge Supreme Court disregard 40 states or even 1 state peoples decision. There would be no federal gov if there were no states! Not right dispise any state as little it may be, it can become situation of injustice.
Actually it was 46 states, and in order for the SC to invalidate state law across the board like that they have to find that those laws are contrary to a fundamental right of American citizens as enumerated in the Constitution. How they found the right to ‘abortion’ there is a rather long and detailed discussion, but even my liberal constitutional law professor agreed it was perhaps one of the most poorly argued Supreme Court opinions our there – and yet, the court doesn’t need a good argument, simply enough justices to uphold their opinion – which is why the balance of the court is a critical issue in this campaign.
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Another question that I still did not grab yet: the USA is a democracy and a republic, than the 2 parties when they say are "Democrat and Republican" they still believe in democracy and republic equally or by them naming themselves like that they will embrace one more than the other? The Democrats and Republicans standings (forgetting for the moment the abortion and sexual issues) are really about what in their root when they were born as parties?
Actually, to a certain degree, what we have with the two parties is two ends of a pendulum between which our country is constantly swinging. On one hand we have those who are concerned about the fundamental rule of law as outlined in the Constitution (the basis of our Republic, thus ‘Republican’) and on the other hand we have those who think our country should be ever changing in response to the current political sentiment, or a Democratic view of our country. Interestingly, they are really factions of what was once one party, they parted ways on the slavery issue – Lincoln was the first Republican President.
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/2/2008 11:34:58 PM
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None. You folks are dreaming. Roe V Wade was decided on the issue of privacy, not abortion. McCain has no strong reason to make abortion any more than a token issue.
I'd have to agree with cow451 on this one.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/2/2008 11:41:18 PM
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I'd have to agree with cow451 on this one.
I actually generally agree with cow (little known real name - Poindexter Snugglefish), but in this case his analysis is a bit simplistic. The next President will almost certainly appoint a justice - and the sort of justice appointed will make a significant difference on the abortion issue as well as many others.
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/2/2008 11:42:26 PM
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McCain doesn't have a chance at the presidency.
What political experience leads you to this conclusion?
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/3/2008 12:01:44 AM
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I'd have to agree with cow451 on this one.
I actually generally agree with cow (little known real name - Poindexter Snugglefish), but in this case his analysis is a bit simplistic. The next President will almost certainly appoint a justice - and the sort of justice appointed will make a significant difference on the abortion issue as well as many others.
I actually think that is a bit simplistic, given McCain's agreement in the Gang of 14; as well as the fact that there is a Democrat controlled Congress.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/3/2008 12:02:21 AM
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I have no political experience except that it just makes sense that another republican would not get office.
Well, I will agree that will make it more difficult - but elections always come down to a choice between the two people running.
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/3/2008 12:04:39 AM
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I have no political experience except that it just makes sense that another republican would not get office.
I hope you will still vote, no matter. If you do, you will be part of history no matter whom you vote for. I think it's rather exciting myself.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/3/2008 12:06:13 AM
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I actually think that is a bit simplistic, given McCain's agreement in the Gang of 14; as well as the fact that there is a Democrat controlled Congress.
I didn't say anything about McCain.
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/3/2008 12:13:29 AM
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Even if Roe v Wade was overturned, this doesn't mean abortion will be over. At most, it will be a mixture of states that have more restrictions to those who continue as is. There are a couple who could ban it, but I don't really know if that would happen. The majority of Americans do not support banning abortion altogether, so that is another reason I doubt it would happen. Not to mention that if not careful, this could easily decimate the Republican party and split the more moderates off from the conservatives and any election would make abortion more into the focus. I really don't think abortion will go away and that any conservative that thinks it will is just believing a fairytale.
The fairytale is that we, conservatives, believe abortion will go away. It won't, because mankind will always have a thirst for stealing human rights, perpetuating injustice, and killing the innocent. We will be there to fight it while liberals will embrace it.
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/3/2008 12:29:41 AM
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I'd have to agree with cow451 on this one.
I actually generally agree with cow (little known real name - Poindexter Snugglefish), but in this case his analysis is a bit simplistic. The next President will almost certainly appoint a justice - and the sort of justice appointed will make a significant difference on the abortion issue as well as many others.
I actually think that is a bit simplistic, given McCain's agreement in the Gang of 14; as well as the fact that there is a Democrat controlled Congress.
Peace and God bless,
Democrats were blocking judicial appointments by filibuster, they weren't allowing the people's representatives to vote.
Some Republicans suggested forcing an end to filibusters by actually having a senate vote on the filibuster itself, sometimes called the Nuclear Option. This provoked Democrats to hysteria and they threatened to shut the Senate completely down.
The gang of 14 was a group of Senators who wanted neither a filibuster or the use of the Nuclear option. They broke the filibuster without using the Nuclear option. The agreement ultimately permitted a vote on Samuel Alito and his appointment to the Supreme Court. Alito is widely considered a threat to the Dems baby, Death Roe.
McCain's bucking of conservative strategy resulted in just what pro-lifers wanted, Alito's appointment.
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/3/2008 12:48:30 AM
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I'd have to agree with cow451 on this one.
I actually generally agree with cow (little known real name - Poindexter Snugglefish), but in this case his analysis is a bit simplistic. The next President will almost certainly appoint a justice - and the sort of justice appointed will make a significant difference on the abortion issue as well as many others.
I actually think that is a bit simplistic, given McCain's agreement in the Gang of 14; as well as the fact that there is a Democrat controlled Congress.
Peace and God bless,
Democrats were blocking judicial appointments by filibuster, they weren't allowing the people's representatives to vote.
Some Republicans suggested forcing an end to filibusters by actually having a senate vote on the filibuster itself, sometimes called the Nuclear Option. This provoked Democrats to hysteria and they threatened to shut the Senate completely down.
The gang of 14 was a group of Senators who wanted neither a filibuster or the use of the Nuclear option. They broke the filibuster without using the Nuclear option. The agreement ultimately permitted a vote on Samuel Alito and his appointment to the Supreme Court. Alito is widely considered a threat to the Dems baby, Death Roe.
McCain's bucking of conservative strategy resulted in just what pro-lifers wanted, Alito's appointment.
Just reiterating with others, why I don't think it's going to matter whom you vote for in the matter of SCJs on abortion.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/3/2008 12:53:32 AM
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I'd have to agree with cow451 on this one.
I actually generally agree with cow (little known real name - Poindexter Snugglefish), but in this case his analysis is a bit simplistic. The next President will almost certainly appoint a justice - and the sort of justice appointed will make a significant difference on the abortion issue as well as many others.
I actually think that is a bit simplistic, given McCain's agreement in the Gang of 14; as well as the fact that there is a Democrat controlled Congress.
Peace and God bless,
Democrats were blocking judicial appointments by filibuster, they weren't allowing the people's representatives to vote.
Some Republicans suggested forcing an end to filibusters by actually having a senate vote on the filibuster itself, sometimes called the Nuclear Option. This provoked Democrats to hysteria and they threatened to shut the Senate completely down.
The gang of 14 was a group of Senators who wanted neither a filibuster or the use of the Nuclear option. They broke the filibuster without using the Nuclear option. The agreement ultimately permitted a vote on Samuel Alito and his appointment to the Supreme Court. Alito is widely considered a threat to the Dems baby, Death Roe.
McCain's bucking of conservative strategy resulted in just what pro-lifers wanted, Alito's appointment.
Just reiterating with others, why I don't think it's going to matter whom you vote for in the matter of SCJs on abortion.
Peace and God bless,
What others?
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/3/2008 12:56:58 AM
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I haven't registered to vote yet. Can I still?
Oh yes. If you're over 18, contact your local municipality right away. They will tell you what papers you need to bring, where you vote, etc. - probably just an ID and mail showing that you live in said municipality.
Have fun - it's exciting IMHO.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/3/2008 1:00:50 AM
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Oh, I might have a problem. I don't know if I have valid proof of residency in NC.
Well, I'm not well versed in residency requirements - and for all I know, it may differ state by state (I live in WI). But contact your local municipality anyway - they will know and point you in the right direction.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/3/2008 1:01:15 AM
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I'd have to agree with cow451 on this one.
I actually generally agree with cow (little known real name - Poindexter Snugglefish), but in this case his analysis is a bit simplistic. The next President will almost certainly appoint a justice - and the sort of justice appointed will make a significant difference on the abortion issue as well as many others.
I actually think that is a bit simplistic, given McCain's agreement in the Gang of 14; as well as the fact that there is a Democrat controlled Congress.
Peace and God bless,
Democrats were blocking judicial appointments by filibuster, they weren't allowing the people's representatives to vote.
Some Republicans suggested forcing an end to filibusters by actually having a senate vote on the filibuster itself, sometimes called the Nuclear Option. This provoked Democrats to hysteria and they threatened to shut the Senate completely down.
The gang of 14 was a group of Senators who wanted neither a filibuster or the use of the Nuclear option. They broke the filibuster without using the Nuclear option. The agreement ultimately permitted a vote on Samuel Alito and his appointment to the Supreme Court. Alito is widely considered a threat to the Dems baby, Death Roe.
McCain's bucking of conservative strategy resulted in just what pro-lifers wanted, Alito's appointment.
Just reiterating with others, why I don't think it's going to matter whom you vote for in the matter of SCJs on abortion.
One of the men running for the office of President will surely put judges on the court that will without a doubt support the right to murder the unborn while the other may or may not... So it only doesn't matter for those who support abortion or don't care if children are murdered in the womb.
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/3/2008 1:02:56 AM
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I'd have to agree with cow451 on this one.
I actually generally agree with cow (little known real name - Poindexter Snugglefish), but in this case his analysis is a bit simplistic. The next President will almost certainly appoint a justice - and the sort of justice appointed will make a significant difference on the abortion issue as well as many others.
I actually think that is a bit simplistic, given McCain's agreement in the Gang of 14; as well as the fact that there is a Democrat controlled Congress.
Peace and God bless,
Democrats were blocking judicial appointments by filibuster, they weren't allowing the people's representatives to vote.
Some Republicans suggested forcing an end to filibusters by actually having a senate vote on the filibuster itself, sometimes called the Nuclear Option. This provoked Democrats to hysteria and they threatened to shut the Senate completely down.
The gang of 14 was a group of Senators who wanted neither a filibuster or the use of the Nuclear option. They broke the filibuster without using the Nuclear option. The agreement ultimately permitted a vote on Samuel Alito and his appointment to the Supreme Court. Alito is widely considered a threat to the Dems baby, Death Roe.
McCain's bucking of conservative strategy resulted in just what pro-lifers wanted, Alito's appointment.
Just reiterating with others, why I don't think it's going to matter whom you vote for in the matter of SCJs on abortion.
Peace and God bless,
What others?
Posts 18 and 19 - cow451 and rlj - where they say None to the question. I mean, I may have misunderstood - if so, I apologize. But, None is pretty cut to the chase response to the opening question.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/3/2008 1:04:28 AM
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I'd have to agree with cow451 on this one.
I actually generally agree with cow (little known real name - Poindexter Snugglefish), but in this case his analysis is a bit simplistic. The next President will almost certainly appoint a justice - and the sort of justice appointed will make a significant difference on the abortion issue as well as many others.
I actually think that is a bit simplistic, given McCain's agreement in the Gang of 14; as well as the fact that there is a Democrat controlled Congress.
Peace and God bless,
Democrats were blocking judicial appointments by filibuster, they weren't allowing the people's representatives to vote.
Some Republicans suggested forcing an end to filibusters by actually having a senate vote on the filibuster itself, sometimes called the Nuclear Option. This provoked Democrats to hysteria and they threatened to shut the Senate completely down.
The gang of 14 was a group of Senators who wanted neither a filibuster or the use of the Nuclear option. They broke the filibuster without using the Nuclear option. The agreement ultimately permitted a vote on Samuel Alito and his appointment to the Supreme Court. Alito is widely considered a threat to the Dems baby, Death Roe.
McCain's bucking of conservative strategy resulted in just what pro-lifers wanted, Alito's appointment.
Just reiterating with others, why I don't think it's going to matter whom you vote for in the matter of SCJs on abortion.
One of the men running for the office of President will surely put judges on the court that will without a doubt support the right to murder the unborn while the other may or may not... So it only doesn't matter for those who support abortion or don't care if children are murdered in the womb.
There is a Democrat-controlled Congress, John. And McCain does have that little agreement with the Gang of 14.
Peace and God bless,
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