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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/5/2008 1:44:53 AM
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SovereignIsHe
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1) Um, I mentioned the Senate Majority Leader - you know, the Senate votes for the SCJs. And when your party has someone as the Senate Majority Leader, guess what that means?! 
You first posted...
There is a Democrat-controlled Congress, John. And McCain does have that little agreement with the Gang of 14.
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Yup, I'm aware of it - are you?
Of course I posted it...
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Both of the independents are pro-choice. So, what was your point on the make-up of the Senate, in the context of approving SCJ appointments again?
Their control is tenuous...
1) And? A Democrat-controlled Congress means control of both House and Senate. So?
2) and 3) I think you're ignoring my point on purpose. A Democrat- controlled Senate + the fact that the two independent Senators (in your 'tenuous' arguement) are pro-choice = no chance of pro-life SCJs under McCain, if he is elected. Not to mention, what will have been, his previous affiliation with the Gang of 14.
Peace and God bless,
Do you not know that the Senate changes every two years? The Senate today will be different than the one we have in Jan 2009 and different again in Jan 2011. Your hopefulness for a pro-abortion senate does not make it so.
The gang of 14 resulted in breaking the Democrats filibuster against pro-life justices. Somehow you think that was an anti-life position.
Understand that all the talk about the "gang of 14" is nothing but rationalizing for supporting Obama who of course is surely for abortion in all cases...
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/5/2008 2:51:23 AM
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jfwink
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Time will tell with McCain, but if Obama picks the next few Justices on the Court, I would guess Abortion-free-for-all would be the operative phrase.
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/5/2008 7:17:26 AM
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1) Um, I mentioned the Senate Majority Leader - you know, the Senate votes for the SCJs. And when your party has someone as the Senate Majority Leader, guess what that means?!
You first posted...
There is a Democrat-controlled Congress, John. And McCain does have that little agreement with the Gang of 14.
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Yup, I'm aware of it - are you?
Of course I posted it...
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Both of the independents are pro-choice. So, what was your point on the make-up of the Senate, in the context of approving SCJ appointments again?
Their control is tenuous...
1) And? A Democrat-controlled Congress means control of both House and Senate. So?
2) and 3) I think you're ignoring my point on purpose. A Democrat- controlled Senate + the fact that the two independent Senators (in your 'tenuous' arguement) are pro-choice = no chance of pro-life SCJs under McCain, if he is elected. Not to mention, what will have been, his previous affiliation with the Gang of 14.
Peace and God bless,
Do you not know that the Senate changes every two years? The Senate today will be different than the one we have in Jan 2009 and different again in Jan 2011. Your hopefulness for a pro-abortion senate does not make it so.
The gang of 14 resulted in breaking the Democrats filibuster against pro-life justices. Somehow you think that was an anti-life position.
Understand that all the talk about the "gang of 14" is nothing but rationalizing for supporting Obama who of course is surely for abortion in all cases...
Nope - just stating that there would be no difference between voting for McCain on this issue. I am not alone in this belief either.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/5/2008 7:18:37 AM
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Lizahana
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
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ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
1) Um, I mentioned the Senate Majority Leader - you know, the Senate votes for the SCJs. And when your party has someone as the Senate Majority Leader, guess what that means?!
You first posted...
There is a Democrat-controlled Congress, John. And McCain does have that little agreement with the Gang of 14.
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Yup, I'm aware of it - are you?
Of course I posted it...
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Both of the independents are pro-choice. So, what was your point on the make-up of the Senate, in the context of approving SCJ appointments again?
Their control is tenuous...
1) And? A Democrat-controlled Congress means control of both House and Senate. So?
2) and 3) I think you're ignoring my point on purpose. A Democrat- controlled Senate + the fact that the two independent Senators (in your 'tenuous' arguement) are pro-choice = no chance of pro-life SCJs under McCain, if he is elected. Not to mention, what will have been, his previous affiliation with the Gang of 14.
Peace and God bless,
Do you not know that the Senate changes every two years? The Senate today will be different than the one we have in Jan 2009 and different again in Jan 2011. Your hopefulness for a pro-abortion senate does not make it so.
The gang of 14 resulted in breaking the Democrats filibuster against pro-life justices. Somehow you think that was an anti-life position.
Nope - many conservatives were angry at McCain's co-leadership of it and you know it.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/5/2008 4:33:29 PM
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
1) Um, I mentioned the Senate Majority Leader - you know, the Senate votes for the SCJs. And when your party has someone as the Senate Majority Leader, guess what that means?!
You first posted...
There is a Democrat-controlled Congress, John. And McCain does have that little agreement with the Gang of 14.
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Yup, I'm aware of it - are you?
Of course I posted it...
quote:
Both of the independents are pro-choice. So, what was your point on the make-up of the Senate, in the context of approving SCJ appointments again?
Their control is tenuous...
1) And? A Democrat-controlled Congress means control of both House and Senate. So?
2) and 3) I think you're ignoring my point on purpose. A Democrat- controlled Senate + the fact that the two independent Senators (in your 'tenuous' arguement) are pro-choice = no chance of pro-life SCJs under McCain, if he is elected. Not to mention, what will have been, his previous affiliation with the Gang of 14.
Peace and God bless,
Do you not know that the Senate changes every two years? The Senate today will be different than the one we have in Jan 2009 and different again in Jan 2011. Your hopefulness for a pro-abortion senate does not make it so.
The gang of 14 resulted in breaking the Democrats filibuster against pro-life justices. Somehow you think that was an anti-life position.
Understand that all the talk about the "gang of 14" is nothing but rationalizing for supporting Obama who of course is surely for abortion in all cases...
Nope - just stating that there would be no difference between voting for McCain on this issue. I am not alone in this belief either.
If that's the case all those pro-life Democrats who just made the grade don't really matter either, right? They don't make anymore difference then McCain does do they? Yet you wave the fact they are pro-life, well to be fair they grade enough to be considered pro-life, whatever that means...
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/5/2008 4:45:51 PM
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Time will tell with McCain, but if Obama picks the next few Justices on the Court, I would guess Abortion-free-for-all would be the operative phrase.
What are you talking about?
The laws on basic abortion availability will just remain the same; it's not as if Obama is elected that they'll be clinics on every corner.
Secondly, the two most likely justices to retire next are liberals (Stevens, Ginsberg), so replacing one liberal judge with another does nothing to the court's overall makeup.
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/5/2008 6:43:33 PM
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Roe v Wade being overturned?
Slim and none. LOL!!
He would have to contend with a liberal democratic house and senate.
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/5/2008 8:11:36 PM
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Lizahana
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1) Um, I mentioned the Senate Majority Leader - you know, the Senate votes for the SCJs. And when your party has someone as the Senate Majority Leader, guess what that means?!
You first posted...
There is a Democrat-controlled Congress, John. And McCain does have that little agreement with the Gang of 14.
quote:
Yup, I'm aware of it - are you?
Of course I posted it...
quote:
Both of the independents are pro-choice. So, what was your point on the make-up of the Senate, in the context of approving SCJ appointments again?
Their control is tenuous...
1) And? A Democrat-controlled Congress means control of both House and Senate. So?
2) and 3) I think you're ignoring my point on purpose. A Democrat- controlled Senate + the fact that the two independent Senators (in your 'tenuous' arguement) are pro-choice = no chance of pro-life SCJs under McCain, if he is elected. Not to mention, what will have been, his previous affiliation with the Gang of 14.
Peace and God bless,
Do you not know that the Senate changes every two years? The Senate today will be different than the one we have in Jan 2009 and different again in Jan 2011. Your hopefulness for a pro-abortion senate does not make it so.
The gang of 14 resulted in breaking the Democrats filibuster against pro-life justices. Somehow you think that was an anti-life position.
Understand that all the talk about the "gang of 14" is nothing but rationalizing for supporting Obama who of course is surely for abortion in all cases...
Nope - just stating that there would be no difference between voting for McCain on this issue. I am not alone in this belief either.
If that's the case all those pro-life Democrats who just made the grade don't really matter either, right? They don't make anymore difference then McCain does do they? Yet you wave the fact they are pro-life, well to be fair they grade enough to be considered pro-life, whatever that means...
John, there are not enough of them - that's the problem. Who knows? Maybe I'll up and run for office as a pro-life Democrat - don't faint! I was a town commissioner for a brief time...
Peace and God bless,
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/5/2008 11:30:01 PM
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It's the Senate that confirms not the Congress... And the control there is tenuous... But it most likely won't be after November. Dems are set to take more seats from the Repubs.
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Do you not know that the Senate changes every two years? The Senate today will be different than the one we have in Jan 2009 and different again in Jan 2011. Your hopefulness for a pro-abortion senate does not make it so. I think you are thinking about the house of Representatives. They serve 2 year terms. Senators serve 6 years so there is never a complete turnover in the Senate.
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/6/2008 1:22:16 AM
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It's the Senate that confirms not the Congress... And the control there is tenuous... But it most likely won't be after November. Dems are set to take more seats from the Repubs.
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Do you not know that the Senate changes every two years? The Senate today will be different than the one we have in Jan 2009 and different again in Jan 2011. Your hopefulness for a pro-abortion senate does not make it so. I think you are thinking about the house of Representatives. They serve 2 year terms. Senators serve 6 years so there is never a complete turnover in the Senate.
No, about one third of the senate is up for election every two years. That, "the Senate today will be different than the one we have in Jan 2009 and different again in Jan 2011," is exactly right.
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/6/2008 1:31:21 AM
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Time will tell with McCain, but if Obama picks the next few Justices on the Court, I would guess Abortion-free-for-all would be the operative phrase.
What are you talking about?
The laws on basic abortion availability will just remain the same; it's not as if Obama is elected that they'll be clinics on every corner.
Secondly, the two most likely justices to retire next are liberals (Stevens, Ginsberg), so replacing one liberal judge with another does nothing to the court's overall makeup.
If BO becomes president:
- There will be no Mexico City policy. We will once again give our money to foreign agencies that abort poor brown and black children.
- We will use the UN, not to fight abortion, but to promote it.
- There will be another attempt to overturn the Hyde amendment, which has saved perhaps a million lives.
- There will be a push to pass the Freedom of Choice act, legislation that attempts to make illegal all abortion restrictions, present and future. BO is a cosponsor.
Liberals like to say that it doesn't matter who is president. That's a transparent attempt to absolve themselves of participation in slaughter.
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RE: If McCain becomes president, what are chances of Ro... - 9/6/2008 1:36:58 AM
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ljmac
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
1) Um, I mentioned the Senate Majority Leader - you know, the Senate votes for the SCJs. And when your party has someone as the Senate Majority Leader, guess what that means?!
You first posted...
There is a Democrat-controlled Congress, John. And McCain does have that little agreement with the Gang of 14.
quote:
Yup, I'm aware of it - are you?
Of course I posted it...
quote:
Both of the independents are pro-choice. So, what was your point on the make-up of the Senate, in the context of approving SCJ appointments again?
Their control is tenuous...
1) And? A Democrat-controlled Congress means control of both House and Senate. So?
2) and 3) I think you're ignoring my point on purpose. A Democrat- controlled Senate + the fact that the two independent Senators (in your 'tenuous' arguement) are pro-choice = no chance of pro-life SCJs under McCain, if he is elected. Not to mention, what will have been, his previous affiliation with the Gang of 14.
Peace and God bless,
Do you not know that the Senate changes every two years? The Senate today will be different than the one we have in Jan 2009 and different again in Jan 2011. Your hopefulness for a pro-abortion senate does not make it so.
The gang of 14 resulted in breaking the Democrats filibuster against pro-life justices. Somehow you think that was an anti-life position.
Nope - many conservatives were angry at McCain's co-leadership of it and you know it.
Peace and God bless,
No? The gang of didn't break the Democrat's filibusters? It sure did. That's how Alito got his up or down vote.
Using the so-called nuclear option was preferred by many conservatives. They wanted to break the Democrats filibuster and that's exactly what McCain and the gang did.
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