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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 10:54:49 AM
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I've been reading the news for commentary on her speech. They talk about her attacking Obama and promoting McCain. I can't find anyone talking about the substance of her speech. Did she talk about any policy positions? Anything about the economy?
Matt
She addressed the need to be energy independent in more detail than the others by using all available resources and American ingenuity. She talked about vetoing unnecessary government spending and tax policy.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 10:57:44 AM
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and painted a very sharp contrast between the candidate of the teleprompter speech
You know she was reading off a teleprompter, right?
-Dan.
Actually her teleprompter broke
http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/sep/04/breaking-sarah-palin-winged-her-speech-bec/
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Unfazed, Governor Palin continued, from memory, to deliver her speech without the teleprompter cued to the appropriate point in her speech.
Contrast this to Barack Obama who, when last his teleprompter malfunctioned, was left stuttering before a crowd unable to advance his speech until the problem was resolved.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:00:13 AM
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No problems at all, husk! I just know that a racial discussion can turn into 10 pages ;)
Regarding my comment on the "cnadidate of the teleprompter speech", that was a reference to Obama's biggest strength in this campaign. He speaks well when reading his teleprompters. He makes a buffoon out of himself when speaking from the heart. I realize most speech givers use a teleprompter, but most of them don't sound completely ridiculous when not using one. Sarah Palin actually completed her speech without a hiccup when her teleprompter stopped last night.
Regarding community organizing, there is nothing wrong with being a street agitator, except when it is the core of the "leadership" experience of the candidate. The problem is that nobody seems to quite know exactly what Obama did, and the community organizers most of us see are people who go around, knock on a door, and say, "We are having a meeting about such-and-such at the Rec center tonight at 6. Now please give me money for my cause."
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:04:05 AM
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Good speech. 
Unfortunately there was one thing that stood out to me that millions of people across America past and present should take offense to. Her comment about community leaders and community groups was not only insulting, but it was....well....for lack of a better word elitist. So that means the leaders of the women’s suffrage movement, the civil rights movement, abolitionist(back in slavery days), Church's, NAACP, Fraternities, Sororities, and many other community organizations and the work that has been done and still being done meant and means nothing. It pretty much belittled anyone who has served, helped or done something for someone else in the thousands of communities across this nation. Ok, she may have been talking about Obama, but she also took a swipe at all community leaders and groups.
Ken, I understand your point - but really think Palin was specifically counter-attacking what the Obama camp had been saying since McCain tapped her last week - that she's been "just a mayor of a little town", or "just a governor of a sparsely populated state". I think she had to speak to that issue (a non-issue in my mind) of her so-called "inexperience" by pointing out how little executive experience Obama has had.
Anyway, as I said earlier, I thought her speech and delivery was so professional. She was ON! She exuded self-confidence and showed clear leadership skills.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:05:23 AM
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Thank you, Sophie. That truly needed to be said.
Now, why do so many of these threads end up being about race? This is supposed to be about Sarah Palin's NRC speech and it turned into a race relations thing. Does everything have to be about race and/or the poor?
Thanx for letting me blow off a little steam. I thought Sarah Palin's speech was a grand slam home run! The lady was poised and confident, not the sort of thing you might expect out of a real rookie, as the Dems are trying to make her out to be. She delivered her speech calmly, which was maybe even a little understated. Her words were clear without any hidden meaning. She had a few little jabs at her opponents that seemingly struck paydirt with the audience.
Even Joe Biden said the speech (what he heard of it) was well done, but he couldn't resist throwing in a barb about not hearing anything of the economy, or jobs, or healthcare.
In conclusion, I think that John McCain certainly picked the right running mate. Ain't nobody gonna run over that lady!
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It would be great if race was a non-issue. But it isn't. Not yet. Racism exists. That's why saying something to a black person has a different effect than saying the same thing to a white person. That's how it is. And in all honesty, so it should be. If a group of people have a history of oppression they do deserve a little sympathy and a little... I don't want to say "special treatment" because that sounds wrong, but you get what I mean. I think a lot of white people would love to say whatever they could about black people and throw around the "N word" like they do. But they have to understand that words directed a black person have a different effect coming from you.
Well first of all, I do not want to turn this thread into a conversation on race relations, because there is already an existing thread elsewhere for that topic.
However, when you speak of racism still existing, these views are part of the problem. In order for race to truly be irrelevant both sides have to agree to treat it as such, not just one. I am tired of white people being told they must walk on eggshells when speaking to a black person so as not to offend them, as if all black people are so delicate and simply looking for racism in every word. That is not the way it is, nor the way it should be.
And I am also tired of the arguement that the "N word" is fine to hear coming from a black person but not from a white. If it is offensive, does the meaning change simply because of the color of the skin of the one speaking? I think not.
I believe that black people deserve not to be oppressed. I do not believe that they deserve special treatment. The fact is that most black people today in this country have never experienced slavery firsthand, and most white people alive in this country today have never been involved in keeping black slaves. As for myself personally, my family moved to the US from Hungary during the second World War. They were not here during the time before equal rights. Why should I feel guilty for something of which I had no part? I can feel for the slaves on a human level and feel for their families, but guilt is not one of my feelings and I refuse to listen to those who tell me I must treat all black people as if they have the thinnest skin in the world and cannot understand that I mean no harm. If I happen to say something that has a different meaning to black people than to white because of history and culture, then I guess I would just expect they would understand what I meant or politely ask me to clarify, which would be no problem.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:06:29 AM
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Tracydolls turns everything she can into a race discussion. I'm afraid we'll kind of have to get used to it.
Women have been oppressed basically throughout the entirety of history. They're still the most oppressed people in the world. It doesn't matter what color you are, if you lack sufficiently dangly bits, you're worth less in most countries, if not an outright slave to whoever the presiding male of your household is.
Nevermind that the muslims that the democrats support so enthusiastically and yell at us for fighting are still forcing women to cover head to toe, refusing to let them drive or have their own jobs, and "honor killing" their own daughters if they get raped (and want to destroy our country because we refuse to do likewise, so we're horribly corrupt and depraved and stuff).
Nevermind the fact that women finally got the right to vote 50 years after blacks did.
So we get a woman veep candidate, and before she can even open her mouth she's getting slammed for being inexperienced and "how's she going to take care of her family?" and anecdotes about how she's petty about job placements. You know, 'cuz women are petty.
When she does get to open her mouth and gives a fantastic speech, she's a "pit bull in lipstick". Funny how they dance around the proper term for a female dog, isn't it.
I guess this shows the reality of the party that's supposed to be championing the cause of females.
I am thoroughly disgusted.
Great speech, Sarah. You go girl. For all of us, who are apparently worth less than we expected if we disagree with the party that's supposed to be all about our rights.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:10:44 AM
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No problems at all, husk! I just know that a racial discussion can turn into 10 pages ;)
Regarding my comment on the "cnadidate of the teleprompter speech", that was a reference to Obama's biggest strength in this campaign. He speaks well when reading his teleprompters. He makes a buffoon out of himself when speaking from the heart. I realize most speech givers use a teleprompter, but most of them don't sound completely ridiculous when not using one.
Regarding community organizing, there is nothing wrong with being a street agitator, except when it is the core of the "leadership" experience of the candidate. The problem is that nobody seems to quite know exactly what Obama did, and the community organizers most of us see are people who go around, knock on a door, and say, "We are having a meeting about such-and-such at the Rec center tonight at 6. Now please give me money for my cause."
I believe that information is available. Also why minimize his community work to a simple street agitator.
Anyway, she made a blanket comment. Also, who is most of us? I am from the inner city and currently live in a sort of a urban suburb of washington, dc and I see people and organizers actually doing stuff and not going door to door asking for money. Most of the community groups doing stuff here are the Church's and members of farternities and sororities and I have never seen any of them do what you describe.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:15:11 AM
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Please, share what a "community organizer" does! I seriously don't know, and everyone I have asked has given me a description similar to what I wrote. Can you find some links that show exactly what Obama organized and which communities he helped by doing so and how that qualifies as leadership experience? I am not being cynical. I really want to know.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:15:32 AM
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And "winging" her speech because the teleprompter malfunctioned makes her speech even more awesome. The only people who knew it were those who had copies of her prepared speech. They noticed that she deviated from it. That means she actually knew ahead of time what she was going to say, has inner convictions, and has the poise to be able to speak without a teleprompter. WOW!!!
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:16:16 AM
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I thought that everything Palin said directed at Obama was completely within political reason. IMO, it's about time Obama was given a serious challenge on his own lack of a stance on anything.
She was totally on target with what she said and she most certainly addressed policy many times in her speech. Foreign and domestic.
She is well spoken, does not pull punches and is not a current part of the good ole boy club in Washington. Palin and McCain are most certainly pro-American.
It is time the love affair the media has with Obama stop and we take off the rose-colored glasses.
On a personal note, I find it somewhat humorous that Obama continues to be seen as a black man. While that may be true of his race...he is no more connected to the black people in this nation than I am, according to the majority of the black population in my area - which is civil-war south. The black community down here consider him Muslim and anti-American long before they even acknowledge he's black.
So it's not really race...it's more like his religion around here.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:18:50 AM
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Please, share what a "community organizer" does! I seriously don't know, and everyone I have asked has given me a description similar to what I wrote. Can you find some links that show exactly what Obama organized and which communities he helped by doing so and how that qualifies as leadership experience? I am not being cynical. I really want to know.
Can we drop this dead horse? Even as a Palin supporter I think we can ease off and file this all under "Obama didn't ccomplish anything" Zero!
And appreciate the fact that McCain is elevated by the fact that the dem top ticket is constantly be contrasted with the Republican bottom half of the ticket.!
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:19:06 AM
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No doubt the leftist blogs will soon be afire with accusations that McCain and Palin broke the teleprompter on purpose so they could make Palin look like a good speech giver. Too bad she really IS a good speaker ;)
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:21:35 AM
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Truly pathetic. I'll bet she didn't gripe about Hillary's pantsuits or anything about Michelle's appearance! Typical of the socialist media.
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Can you belive this Boston Herald Writer????
As if there aren't enough sexist comments from men! We get one from a jealous blonde!
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/2008/view.bg?articleid=1116858
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:23:27 AM
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Oh I guess I misunderstood your post then. Oops!
Oh I wasn't clear enough (see how that happens). Apologies.
The only times I mention grammar (because mine sure falls short) is when a post could be misunderstood / hard to understand (especially when it lacks paragraphs) or when the poster is obnoxious, which you were not. I agreed with your post.
I noticed the person you quoted only had 9 posts at that time so I didn't want to pick on a newbie.
And so it goes. Enjoy your day.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:23:28 AM
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When she does get to open her mouth and gives a fantastic speech, she's a "pit bull in lipstick". Funny how they dance around the proper term for a female dog, isn't it.
"A pit bull in lipstick" is a reference to the joke that Palin made. She was acknowledging the signs in the crowd that read "SOCCER MOMS 4 PALIN" when she made the joke, "Does anyone here know the difference between soccer moms and pitbulls?...Lipstick".
I about fell out of my seat laughing. I believe she was calling herself a pitbull.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:23:42 AM
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does Diebold make teleprompters?????
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:25:47 AM
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Sarah Palin's speech was the most memorable of the season, hands down. A couple of things came to mind hen I thought about it later - the first was the old song Harper Valley PTA where the small town mom shows up the establishment for the hypocrites they are - Sarah Palin is the real deal, and as I hilariously heard someone say this morning, she left a moose head in the Democrats bed this morning.
It also had a very Mr. Smith Goes to Washington feel about it. That line about:
A writer observed: "We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty, sincerity, and dignity." I know just the kind of people that writer had in mind when he praised Harry Truman.
I grew up with those people.
They are the ones who do some of the hardest work in America ... who grow our food, run our factories, and fight our wars.
…had exactly the same tone.
It's interesting, because though I am fairly politically sophisticated, and know where I stand on a number of issues, I have often been disappointed that so few real people inhabit Washington. As I was picking up my oldest son from football practice last night, and talking with other parents, and then going to pick up my youngest son from his gun class, where I talked with more parents I knew, I realized Sarah Palin is probably the only candidate who has recently had these common everyday, middle America experiences, and I want someone like that in Washington - and I think a lot of other people do to.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:27:12 AM
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Please, share what a "community organizer" does! I seriously don't know, and everyone I have asked has given me a description similar to what I wrote. Can you find some links that show exactly what Obama organized and which communities he helped by doing so and how that qualifies as leadership experience? I am not being cynical. I really want to know.
Can we drop this dead horse? Even as a Palin supporter I think we can ease off and file this all under "Obama didn't ccomplish anything" Zero!
And appreciate the fact that McCain is elevated by the fact that the dem top ticket is constantly be contrasted with the Republican bottom half of the ticket.!
I will drop it when I am satisfied with an answer. The poster I am discussing this with was upset that Palin would demean "community organizing". I want to know what exactly that is and how it counts as leadership experience. If I am presented good info, then I am the wiser for it and will stop making fun of Obama's "street agitating".
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:27:23 AM
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I've been reading the news for commentary on her speech. They talk about her attacking Obama and promoting McCain. I can't find anyone talking about the substance of her speech. Did she talk about any policy positions? Anything about the economy?
Matt
She addressed the need to be energy independent in more detail than the others by using all available resources and American ingenuity. She talked about vetoing unnecessary government spending and tax policy.
She addressed the middle class....(using her sister and her husband as examples)....as to how damaging the "higher taxes for all" agenda of the other side will be (as opposed to lower taxes for all).....
How are you -- how are you going to be better off if our opponent adds a massive tax burden to the American economy?
good question. something to think about it.
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And Todd is a story all by himself. He's a lifelong commercial fisherman and a production operator in the oil fields of Alaska's North Slope, and a proud member of the United Steelworkers union.
That says more about her "view" on the economy MORE than anything else.....she doesn't HAVE to talk about it much.....she LIVES it all the time...
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When oil and gas prices went up dramatically and filled up the state treasury, I sent a large share of that revenue back where it belonged: directly to the people of Alaska.
And despite fierce opposition from oil company lobbyists, who kind of liked things the way that they were, we broke their monopoly on power and resources. As governor, I insisted on competition and basic fairness to end their control of our state and return it to the people.
There's another point as to what she thinks of the economy.......send money BACK to the people.....
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:27:31 AM
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"A pit bull in lipstick" is a reference to the joke that Palin made. She was acknowledging the signs in the crowd that read "SOCCER MOMS 4 PALIN" when she made the joke, "Does anyone here know the difference between soccer moms and pitbulls?...Lipstick".
I about fell out of my seat laughing. I believe she was calling herself a pitbull.
She actually said hockey mom. This is significant because it was authentic to her family (I'm sure hockey is bigger than soccer) and it showed that she was aware of her locale. Hockey is popular in Minnesota. If she had used that phrase in other locales it would not have worked so well because they are used to soccer mom.
You do bring up an excellent point.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:28:06 AM
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When she does get to open her mouth and gives a fantastic speech, she's a "pit bull in lipstick". Funny how they dance around the proper term for a female dog, isn't it.
"A pit bull in lipstick" is a reference to the joke that Palin made. She was acknowledging the signs in the crowd that read "SOCCER MOMS 4 PALIN" when she made the joke, "Does anyone here know the difference between soccer moms and pitbulls?...Lipstick".
I about fell out of my seat laughing. I believe she was calling herself a pitbull.
it was Hockey moms...the second best sport in the world...Oddly enough after soccer (futboll)
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:37:24 AM
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When she does get to open her mouth and gives a fantastic speech, she's a "pit bull in lipstick". Funny how they dance around the proper term for a female dog, isn't it.
"A pit bull in lipstick" is a reference to the joke that Palin made. She was acknowledging the signs in the crowd that read "SOCCER MOMS 4 PALIN" when she made the joke, "Does anyone here know the difference between soccer moms and pitbulls?...Lipstick".
I about fell out of my seat laughing. I believe she was calling herself a pitbull.
it was Hockey moms...the second best sport in the world...Oddly enough after soccer (futboll)
Please excuse my memory. LOL!! So, if hockey moms are like pitbulls except with lipstick...What does that make soccer moms?
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