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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:39:37 AM
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Please excuse my memory. LOL!! So, if hockey moms are like pitbulls except with lipstick...What does that make soccer moms?
I would rather not find out. 
The only reason I pointed it out is to praise Palin for being aware of her locale.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:41:33 AM
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Please excuse my memory. LOL!! So, if hockey moms are like pitbulls except with lipstick...What does that make soccer moms?
Dobermans? Rottweilers? I wouldn't want to cross a Soccer mom either. The only advantage is they don't have hockey sticks, so it's less painful when they whack you.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:45:43 AM
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Soccer moms use their feet, don't ya know?
Ouch, cleats.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:47:53 AM
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i thought they use their minivans
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:51:10 AM
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Please excuse my memory. LOL!! So, if hockey moms are like pitbulls except with lipstick...What does that make soccer moms?
I would say more like bulldogs, frumpier and not as adversarial. Oh and more inclined to vote for a Clinton.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:52:38 AM
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Some thoughts on Governor Palin's speech last night.
Overall it was a great speech and it accomplished exactly what it was supposed to accomplish and needed to accomplish for the good of the McCain campaign. Although it fell just a bit short of senator Obama's speech as far as the "art of oratory" goes it was far more beneficial politically. Being that this is politics and not debate team that is of primary importance.
Palin's speech was near perfect in layout, flowing smoothly from crowd pleasing to personal story to political background (its real nice when those last two flow so naturally together) to why a McCain / Palin ticket is what this country needs right now.
Her delivery ranged from very good to excellent. The only downside was her payoff lines, which lacked some impact. This is as much a fault of the well meaning but overly excited crowd as it is hers. The crowd kept cheering the set up lines, ruining the careful build to the payoff line. Payoff lines need momentum, the cheering negated that. The crowd was better during the second half of the speech.
She criticized Obama too much as I said earlier. Not that the criticisms were unfair, I simply think that strategically she may have been better served to do it less. But on the up side she absolutely nailed the case against Obama better than anyone.
So great speech overall. A solid B+, A- if I were generous.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:52:56 AM
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When she does get to open her mouth and gives a fantastic speech, she's a "pit bull in lipstick". Funny how they dance around the proper term for a female dog, isn't it.
"A pit bull in lipstick" is a reference to the joke that Palin made. She was acknowledging the signs in the crowd that read "SOCCER MOMS 4 PALIN" when she made the joke, "Does anyone here know the difference between soccer moms and pitbulls?...Lipstick".
I about fell out of my seat laughing. I believe she was calling herself a pitbull.
it was Hockey moms...the second best sport in the world...Oddly enough after soccer (futboll)
Please excuse my memory. LOL!! So, if hockey moms are like pitbulls except with lipstick...What does that make soccer moms?
I would say more like bulldogs, frumpier and not as adversarial.
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I would say more like bulldogs, frumpier and not as adversarial.
You must not watch Dog Whisperer.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:55:06 AM
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You know something the greatest community organizer ever was Christ and who did Sarah Palin slam in her speech the work that community workers do. Go after Barack Obama fine but to belittle the work of community workers who steps in when the government fails to is reprehensible. I have worked hard for the people in my community and there are millions of others she had no right to speak of it as if its nothing.
Do not append the Lord God Most High to any political party.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 11:58:00 AM
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You know something the greatest community organizer ever was Christ and who did Sarah Palin slam in her speech the work that community workers do. Go after Barack Obama fine but to belittle the work of community workers who steps in when the government fails to is reprehensible. I have worked hard for the people in my community and there are millions of others she had no right to speak of it as if its nothing.
Do not append the Lord God Most High to any political party.
She didn't slam community organizers - she just pointed out that her community organizing had more responsibilities than Obama's - and Jesus obviously (besides being God in the flesh and Savior of the World) was reformer as well, and not afraid to do a hard days work.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 12:09:26 PM
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You know something the greatest community organizer ever was Christ and who did Sarah Palin slam in her speech the work that community workers do. Go after Barack Obama fine but to belittle the work of community workers who steps in when the government fails to is reprehensible. I have worked hard for the people in my community and there are millions of others she had no right to speak of it as if its nothing.
Do not append the Lord God Most High to any political party.
Perhaps all the outraged community organizers can organize a community of outraged organizers.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 12:23:22 PM
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Well it's hard to do that when you're busy helping those who can't help themselves...
and yes Jesus was a reformer but the type that was for the poor and needy.
Remember this in John 5 (Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, which is called in Hebrew, Bethesda, having five porches.)
This place still exist today except there are some who speaks as if it no longer exist but all is well. There are many folks waiting for someone to help them in. Let me ask you this how many times have you visited this pool (it's in place that so many of you will never set foot) it's far from your churches and your homes and worst far from your hearts.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 12:24:08 PM
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Perhaps all the outraged community organizers can organize a community of outraged organizers.
That made me laugh - thanks!
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 12:24:11 PM
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But Christ didn't put "community organizer" at the top of His resume. Not to put down whatever it is that community organizers do, but that hardly measures up to the responsibility that a mayor has, or a governor has, not to mention Jesus Christ's.
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You know something the greatest community organizer ever was Christ and who did Sarah Palin slam in her speech the work that community workers do. Go after Barack Obama fine but to belittle the work of community workers who steps in when the government fails to is reprehensible. I have worked hard for the people in my community and there are millions of others she had no right to speak of it as if its nothing.
Do not append the Lord God Most High to any political party.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 12:35:15 PM
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To answer your question about top his resume he removed the greatest thing about himself and became what a bonservant. he set his Glory aside. he lowered himself.
Remember this from Philippians 2, read it sometime.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 12:41:31 PM
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Getting back to Palin -
You know, I am probably going to get my nose cut off saying this, but I would say the difference between Sarah and Hillary (besides their politics) is that Clinton came to the table as a woman seeking power, Palin came as an empowered woman. Sarah manages to be tough and not lose her femininity; whereas Hillary seems to have lost that - she is trying to be one of the big boys, instead show the big boys that woman have something to offer. Hillary is a feminist in the modern sense, the sense that sort of loathes what has been considered typically feminine, as opposed to Palin, who is a feminist in the old sense, the sense which demonstrates the importance of feminine values to our society.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 12:44:03 PM
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We aren't electing a pope or a national pastor. This isn't a theocracy. Just sayin'
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 1:00:19 PM
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Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Amelia Bloomer, Sarah Palin should have done some research on community organizers(you folks don't seem to know what this entails) like these ladies before bashing the work community workers do.
She can hit Obama as hard as ever but don't attack the work that millions of Americans do....
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 1:02:55 PM
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Jhud
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Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Amelia Bloomer, Sarah Palin should have done some research on community organizers(you folks don't seem to know what this entails) like these ladies before bashing the work community workers do.
She can hit Obama as hard as ever but don't attack the work that millions of Americans do....
Ok, ok, we get it, you love community organizing.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 1:06:31 PM
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You know something the greatest community organizer ever was Christ and who did Sarah Palin slam in her speech the work that community workers do. Go after Barack Obama fine but to belittle the work of community workers who steps in when the government fails to is reprehensible. I have worked hard for the people in my community and there are millions of others she had no right to speak of it as if its nothing.
Do not append the Lord God Most High to any political party.
She didn't slam community organizers - she just pointed out that her community organizing had more responsibilities than Obama's - and Jesus obviously (besides being God in the flesh and Savior of the World) was reformer as well, and not afraid to do a hard days work.
Yes she definitely slammed community organizers, which I thought was overkill and showed a weakness in her (and her speechwriters) approach. Overall I'd give her an "A" on the speech. The sarcasm wears a bit thin on a 30+ minute speech. And I tolerate sarcasm as well as anybody.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 1:10:53 PM
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Yes she definitely slammed community organizers, which I thought was overkill and showed a weakness in her (and her speechwriters) approach. Overall I'd give her an "A" on the speech. The sarcasm wears a bit thin on a 30+ minute speech. And I tolerate sarcasm as well as anybody.
Well, I think part of her point (and I think it was valid) is that we are all to some extent 'community organizers' - but most of us don't think to put that on our resumes for the job of President, at least not as a primary experience.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 1:16:48 PM
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Good speech. 
Unfortunately there was one thing that stood out to me that millions of people across America past and present should take offense to. Her comment about community leaders and community groups was not only insulting, but it was....well....for lack of a better word elitist. So that means the leaders of the women’s suffrage movement, the civil rights movement, abolitionist(back in slavery days), Church's, NAACP, Fraternities, Sororities, and many other community organizations and the work that has been done and still being done meant and means nothing. It pretty much belittled anyone who has served, helped or done something for someone else in the thousands of communities across this nation. Ok, she may have been talking about Obama, but she also took a swipe at all community leaders and groups.
I listened to every word of her speech -- some of them more than once (boy do I love DVRs! ) . . . . and I simply don't get all these gripes about her slamming "Community Organizers" . . . I listened to some commentators after the speech last night talk about this -- it was like that was the only thing they could find that they could complain about -- or get ppl up in arms about. Sheesh! . . . . I find it sad that ppl -- well meaning Christians, even -- can take a comment like that, out of context, and then blow it so ridiculously out of proportion 
I don't know what a community organizer is (not sure she did either), but I listened to her and she was NOT slamming community organizers -- she was slamming Obama for claiming to be one and using that as a qualification for the presidency . . . . then he & his party and supporters questioning HER experience as mayor and governor.
IMHO, it is just this sort of 'semantics', if you will, that liberals seem to latch onto to try to prove something that doesn't exist -- that she's slamming community organizers. I'd need to go back and listen again (yes, I recorded it -- of course!), but I really think she called herself a community organizer . . not sure, tho. Anyway, get a grip, people. This lady gave an over the top speech!
I never thought I'd see the day that I would be rootin' for a woman president (and please don't attack me for that -- I'm old & decrepit and really am not up to a fight  ), but this lady has my vote! . . . . . I truly believe this is the Best Thing that coulda happened to this campaign.
I liked Rudy's speech, too . . thought he did a great job!
There's lots of good things being said in here . . . like this thread! Thanks, ManimalX
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 1:17:01 PM
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There was no question in my post - only a statement. I guess you missed the whole point. Forget about it and let it go. It's not worth pursuing.
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To answer your question about top his resume he removed the greatest thing about himself and became what a bonservant. he set his Glory aside. he lowered himself.
Remember this from Philippians 2, read it sometime.
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RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 1:17:19 PM
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Getting back to Palin -
You know, I am probably going to get my nose cut off saying this, but I would say the difference between Sarah and Hillary (besides their politics) is that Clinton came to the table as a woman seeking power, Palin came as an empowered woman.
As much as I don't like Hillary is that really fair? Don't worry I used to listen to Rush too.
It's an opinion right?
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