|
Users viewing this topic:
none
|
|
Login  | |
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 1:21:22 PM
|
|
|
letusreason
Posts: 811
Joined: 8/30/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: cow451
quote:
ORIGINAL: Jhud
quote:
You know something the greatest community organizer ever was Christ and who did Sarah Palin slam in her speech the work that community workers do. Go after Barack Obama fine but to belittle the work of community workers who steps in when the government fails to is reprehensible. I have worked hard for the people in my community and there are millions of others she had no right to speak of it as if its nothing.
Do not append the Lord God Most High to any political party.
She didn't slam community organizers - she just pointed out that her community organizing had more responsibilities than Obama's - and Jesus obviously (besides being God in the flesh and Savior of the World) was reformer as well, and not afraid to do a hard days work.
Yes she definitely slammed community organizers, which I thought was overkill and showed a weakness in her (and her speechwriters) approach. Overall I'd give her an "A" on the speech. The sarcasm wears a bit thin on a 30+ minute speech. And I tolerate sarcasm as well as anybody.
Hey is this really George STephanopolous???
I disagree and think she drew the comparison IN HER DEFENCE as the difference between the dem front runner's experience and her VP experience. To not grasp this is well ...ya know.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 1:22:05 PM
|
|
|
Jhud
Posts: 7780
Joined: 4/11/2005
From: Lake Wobegon
Status: online
|
quote:
As much as I don't like Hillary is that really fair? Don't worry I used to listen to Rush too.
It's an opinion right?
It's just my observation - and I never listen to Rush.
_____________________________
Jack
It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first..
- Ronald Reagan
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 1:25:57 PM
|
|
|
davemiller7
Posts: 1054
Joined: 3/5/2008
From: NC via NY
Status: offline
|
I do believe you heard her correctly. I didn't record it (wish I had) but I think she was criticizing Obama, not "community organizers" in general. They may well be great people and may serve a great need, but that's hardly THE big accomplishment to be listed as a qualification to be President.
-Dave
quote:
ORIGINAL: leah777
quote:
ORIGINAL: ken1906_4
Good speech. 
Unfortunately there was one thing that stood out to me that millions of people across America past and present should take offense to. Her comment about community leaders and community groups was not only insulting, but it was....well....for lack of a better word elitist. So that means the leaders of the women’s suffrage movement, the civil rights movement, abolitionist(back in slavery days), Church's, NAACP, Fraternities, Sororities, and many other community organizations and the work that has been done and still being done meant and means nothing. It pretty much belittled anyone who has served, helped or done something for someone else in the thousands of communities across this nation. Ok, she may have been talking about Obama, but she also took a swipe at all community leaders and groups.
I listened to every word of her speech -- some of them more than once (boy do I love DVRs!  ) . . . . and I simply don't get all these gripes about her slamming "Community Organizers" . . . I listened to some commentators after the speech last night talk about this -- it was like that was the only thing they could find that they could complain about -- or get ppl up in arms about. Sheesh! . . . . I find it sad that ppl -- well meaning Christians, even -- can take a comment like that, out of context, and then blow it so ridiculously out of proportion 
I don't know what a community organizer is (not sure she did either), but I listened to her and she was NOT slamming community organizers -- she was slamming Obama for claiming to be one and using that as a qualification for the presidency . . . . then he & his party and supporters questioning HER experience as mayor and governor.
IMHO, it is just this sort of 'semantics', if you will, that liberals seem to latch onto to try to prove something that doesn't exist -- that she's slamming community organizers. I'd need to go back and listen again (yes, I recorded it -- of course!), but I really think she called herself a community organizer . . not sure, tho. Anyway, get a grip, people. This lady gave an over the top speech!
I never thought I'd see the day that I would be rootin' for a woman president (and please don't attack me for that -- I'm old & decrepit and really am not up to a fight  ), but this lady has my vote! . . . . . I truly believe this is the Best Thing that coulda happened to this campaign.
I liked Rudy's speech, too . . thought he did a great job!
There's lots of good things being said in here . . . like this thread! Thanks, ManimalX
_____________________________
-Dave
The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 1:30:14 PM
|
|
|
Kat_D
Posts: 3144
Joined: 9/2/2005
From: Where We Shake, Rattle & Roll!
Status: offline
|
Posting cold, but please allow me to say that after watching Palin last night, McCain choosing her as his running mate was an absolutely brilliant move!
_____________________________
~Kat
"...And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes...no more death, sorrow, nor crying."
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 1:30:29 PM
|
|
|
davemiller7
Posts: 1054
Joined: 3/5/2008
From: NC via NY
Status: offline
|
Well you see, Stephanopolous strayed a little too far from the fold during the Dem primary debates and got his head handed to him by the rest of the liberal media. He's not going to make that mistake again.
-Dave
quote:
ORIGINAL: letusreason
quote:
ORIGINAL: cow451
quote:
ORIGINAL: Jhud
quote:
You know something the greatest community organizer ever was Christ and who did Sarah Palin slam in her speech the work that community workers do. Go after Barack Obama fine but to belittle the work of community workers who steps in when the government fails to is reprehensible. I have worked hard for the people in my community and there are millions of others she had no right to speak of it as if its nothing.
Do not append the Lord God Most High to any political party.
She didn't slam community organizers - she just pointed out that her community organizing had more responsibilities than Obama's - and Jesus obviously (besides being God in the flesh and Savior of the World) was reformer as well, and not afraid to do a hard days work.
Yes she definitely slammed community organizers, which I thought was overkill and showed a weakness in her (and her speechwriters) approach. Overall I'd give her an "A" on the speech. The sarcasm wears a bit thin on a 30+ minute speech. And I tolerate sarcasm as well as anybody.
Hey is this really George STephanopolous???
I disagree and think she drew the comparison IN HER DEFENCE as the difference between the dem front runner's experience and her VP experience. To not grasp this is well ...ya know.
_____________________________
-Dave
The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 1:31:04 PM
|
|
|
rcjames
Posts: 5657
Joined: 7/15/2005
From: Oklahoma
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Jhud
She didn't slam community organizers - she just pointed out that her community organizing had more responsibilities than Obama's - and Jesus obviously (besides being God in the flesh and Savior of the World) was reformer as well, and not afraid to do a hard days work.
I agree that she did not slam them (when she well could have); the most well know of the "Black" community organizers is Jesse Jackson whose orginizing has morphed into the next step of all community organizers; extortion.
Thanks
RC
_____________________________
Just a country Preacher's humble opinion
Read the first chapter of my latest book here;
http://www.deliveranceofsara.com
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 1:32:24 PM
|
|
|
letusreason
Posts: 811
Joined: 8/30/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Kat_D
Posting cold, but please allow me to say that after watching Palin last night, McCain choosing her as his running mate was an absolutely brilliant move!
It definately appears that way but she does have opportunities to do great things or screw up.
My bet is that Biden will screw up way before anyone else does.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 1:34:52 PM
|
|
|
letusreason
Posts: 811
Joined: 8/30/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Well you see, Stephanopolous strayed a little too far from the fold during the Dem primary debates and got his head handed to him by the rest of the liberal media. He's not going to make that mistake again.
-Dave
Really? What did i miss on that?
I saw last night he said something goofy and Diane Sawyer said something like "what did you mean by that George?" as if he was somebody's little kid brother that was tagging along lol.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 1:54:47 PM
|
|
|
Pat-rebel_lady
Posts: 688
Joined: 4/12/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: leah777
I listened to every word of her speech -- some of them more than once (boy do I love DVRs! ) . . . . and I simply don't get all these gripes about her slamming "Community Organizers" . . . I listened to some commentators after the speech last night talk about this -- it was like that was the only thing they could find that they could complain about -- or get ppl up in arms about. Sheesh! . . . . I find it sad that ppl -- well meaning Christians, even -- can take a comment like that, out of context, and then blow it so ridiculously out of proportion
I don't know what a community organizer is (not sure she did either), but I listened to her and she was NOT slamming community organizers -- she was slamming Obama for claiming to be one and using that as a qualification for the presidency . . . . then he & his party and supporters questioning HER experience as mayor and governor.
IMHO, it is just this sort of 'semantics', if you will, that liberals seem to latch onto to try to prove something that doesn't exist -- that she's slamming community organizers. I'd need to go back and listen again (yes, I recorded it -- of course!), but I really think she called herself a community organizer . . not sure, tho. Anyway, get a grip, people. This lady gave an over the top speech!
I never thought I'd see the day that I would be rootin' for a woman president (and please don't attack me for that -- I'm old & decrepit and really am not up to a fight ), but this lady has my vote! . . . . . I truly believe this is the Best Thing that coulda happened to this campaign.
I liked Rudy's speech, too . . thought he did a great job!
There's lots of good things being said in here . . . like this thread! Thanks, ManimalX[/color]
Really good post, Leah, thank you; I Agree!! I also liked Michael Steele's speech very much:“In other words: Drill, baby, drill! And drill now!,” Steele said. “So, do you want to put your country first? Then let’s make decisions about our security based on what keeps us safe and not on what’s politically correct.”
God bless,
Pat
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 2:02:56 PM
|
|
|
davemiller7
Posts: 1054
Joined: 3/5/2008
From: NC via NY
Status: offline
|
Back in April, Stephanopolous and Charles Gibson were moderators for the debate between Clinton and Obama. George asked why Obama didn't wear an American flag pin in his lapel like the others, the inflammatory rhetoric of Obama’s former pastor, Jeremiah Wright, and brought up Clinton’s remark that she had to duck sniper fire in Bosnia. He caught a lot of flak for those.
-Dave
quote:
ORIGINAL: letusreason
quote:
ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Well you see, Stephanopolous strayed a little too far from the fold during the Dem primary debates and got his head handed to him by the rest of the liberal media. He's not going to make that mistake again.
-Dave
Really? What did i miss on that?
I saw last night he said something goofy and Diane Sawyer said something like "what did you mean by that George?" as if he was somebody's little kid brother that was tagging along lol.
_____________________________
-Dave
The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 2:04:38 PM
|
|
|
leah777
Posts: 3189
Joined: 4/12/2005
From: Show-Me State
Status: online
|
Thanks, Pat & Dave . . . . I've not gotten to watch the whole tape yet, and I was in church during the middle part of the convention. I've taped the whole thing, tho, I think, so I'll go back and watch it.
_____________________________
Leah
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 2:07:37 PM
|
|
|
kernsfamily
Posts: 1333
Joined: 4/26/2006
From: Dallas (originally Detroit)
Status: online
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: rcjames
quote:
ORIGINAL: Jhud
She didn't slam community organizers - she just pointed out that her community organizing had more responsibilities than Obama's - and Jesus obviously (besides being God in the flesh and Savior of the World) was reformer as well, and not afraid to do a hard days work.
I agree that she did not slam them (when she well could have); the most well know of the "Black" community organizers is Jesse Jackson whose orginizing has morphed into the next step of all community organizers; extortion.
Thanks
RC
I'll be a "community organizer" for some big conservative "right wing" cause.....and, then, after a while, will continue my political aspirations....and eventually run for president.
do you really think the libs out there wouldn't belittle THAT "community organizing" experience???.....
it all depends on what THEY think "good experience" is.....
Look what happened with Clarence Thomas. You would think that the NAACP would have been dancing in the streets to have him on the supreme court. What happened? they totally ignored and abandoned him.
Michael Steele? Think he got help from the NAACP during his campaigns? Not a penny.
Sarah Palin. You'd think that the National Organization of Women would be thrilled that a woman has a shot at VP...and likely Prez....Oh, no.....think again. Not "That Kind" of woman!
in order to be a "good community organizer", you'll have to be a lib. And, be the "right kind" of "community organizer".....
_____________________________
Proud dad of 3 great girls....Erin, Emilie and Elise
Blessed to have all of them in a "totally awesome" public elementary school!
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 2:12:50 PM
|
|
|
todd_t
Posts: 1584
Joined: 6/21/2006
From: The North Woods
Status: offline
|
quote:
They may well be great people and may serve a great need, but that's hardly THE big accomplishment to be listed as a qualification to be President.
Dave, when the heck has Obama ever claimed that his C.O. days in Chicago (which were 20 years ago) was his "big accomplishment"?
Far more often, on the campaign trail he discusses his experiences in government in Springfield and DC.
The people who seem most obsessed with discussing (and mocking) Obama's first, post-college job are Sean Hannity and Sarah Palin.
Here is a link to a text Obama wrote in 1990 on his experiences in community organizing, and what he took from them:
http://www.edwoj.com/Alinsky/AlinskyObamaChapter1990.htm
< Message edited by todd_t -- 9/4/2008 2:20:31 PM >
_____________________________
In Memoriam: 1st Sgt. Obediah Kolath, US Army, Died in Iraq War (1973-2005)
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 2:14:38 PM
|
|
|
laura...
Posts: 2842
Joined: 3/1/2005
From: NE Ohio
Status: offline
|
I watched her speech on NBC. The talking heads acted like offended Democrat Obama supporters at the end of Palin's speech. All they could see was that she blasted the media. Poor babies.
_____________________________
This is what the Lord says: “Stop at the crossroads and look around. Ask for the old, godly way, and walk in it. Travel its path, and you will find rest for your souls. But you reply, ‘No, that’s not the road we want!’ Jer 6:16
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 2:17:51 PM
|
|
|
rcjames
Posts: 5657
Joined: 7/15/2005
From: Oklahoma
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: kernsfamily
Sarah Palin. You'd think that the National Organization of Women would be thrilled that a woman has a shot at VP...and likely Prez....Oh, no.....think again. Not "That Kind" of woman!
Isn't it sad that the "Bra burners" so hate a successful {Rreast feeding) woman the opportunity to be successful.
Thanks
RC.
_____________________________
Just a country Preacher's humble opinion
Read the first chapter of my latest book here;
http://www.deliveranceofsara.com
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 2:23:33 PM
|
|
|
raivyne
Posts: 881
Joined: 8/28/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Pat-rebel_lady
Really good post, Leah, thank you; I Agree!! I also liked Michael Steele's speech very much:“In other words: Drill, baby, drill! And drill now!,” Steele said. “So, do you want to put your country first? Then let’s make decisions about our security based on what keeps us safe and not on what’s politically correct.”
God bless,
Pat
I've always liked Michael Steele
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 2:36:19 PM
|
|
|
worthaboverubies
Posts: 137
Joined: 8/11/2006
Status: offline
|
quote:
do you really think the libs out there wouldn't belittle THAT "community organizing" experience???.....
it all depends on what THEY think "good experience" is.....
Look what happened with Clarence Thomas. You would think that the NAACP would have been dancing in the streets to have him on the supreme court. What happened? they totally ignored and abandoned him.
Michael Steele? Think he got help from the NAACP during his campaigns? Not a penny.
Sarah Palin. You'd think that the National Organization of Women would be thrilled that a woman has a shot at VP...and likely Prez....Oh, no.....think again. Not "That Kind" of woman!
in order to be a "good community organizer", you'll have to be a lib. And, be the "right kind" of "community organizer".....
This has always bothered me. The black community ignores Condoleeza Rice because she doesn't toe the party line. She didn't gripe and whine her way to the top and so gets no respect. Now Palin gets the same treatment.
Anyway I thought her speech was great.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 2:40:37 PM
|
|
|
raivyne
Posts: 881
Joined: 8/28/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: worthaboverubies
This has always bothered me. The black community ignores Condoleeza Rice because she doesn't toe the party line. She didn't gripe and whine her way to the top and so gets no respect. Now Palin gets the same treatment.
Anyway I thought her speech was great.
I can't think of a conservative african american that hasn't been demonized by the liberal media. Its really quite frustrating!
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 2:50:15 PM
|
|
|
davemiller7
Posts: 1054
Joined: 3/5/2008
From: NC via NY
Status: offline
|
Perhaps Obama doesn't consider community organizing as his greatest accomplishment, but his campaign staff and his supporters have been harping on it for months, seemingly minimizing other things he may have done.
Also, your link calls up something about Alinsky. Saul Alinsky was a communist agitator who rallied people to his way of thinking back in the 60s (Hillary Clinton was one). The community organizations Obama worked for were started by, or at least followed, Alinsky. Alinsky also dedicated one the books he wrote to Lucifer. Not the sort of person I'd want to be associated with.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/obamas_alinsky_jujitsu.html
-Dave
quote:
ORIGINAL: todd_t
quote:
They may well be great people and may serve a great need, but that's hardly THE big accomplishment to be listed as a qualification to be President.
Dave, when the heck has Obama ever claimed that his C.O. days in Chicago (which were 20 years ago) was his "big accomplishment"?
Far more often, on the campaign trail he discusses his experiences in government in Springfield and DC.
The people who seem most obsessed with discussing (and mocking) Obama's first, post-college job are Sean Hannity and Sarah Palin.
Here is a link to a text Obama wrote in 1990 on his experiences in community organizing, and what he took from them:
http://www.edwoj.com/Alinsky/AlinskyObamaChapter1990.htm
_____________________________
-Dave
The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 3:02:02 PM
|
|
|
Pat-rebel_lady
Posts: 688
Joined: 4/12/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: raivyne
I've always liked Michael Steele
Me Too!! He was my first choice for McCain's VP running mate. His picking Sarah Palin really threw me for a loop; It really caused me a Hugh problem; I will vote for McCain and her but I'll keep praying about it too --- knowing I won't vote for Obama or Biden. Not when I completely agree with what a poster in another thread said (sorry I can't seem to find the thread -- I had printed this out): "Mark my words.... if Obama gets elected, people will be more miserable in this country than they have in the last 75 years. Since probably the depression. But it will also be mixed with an oppression of freedom the likes of which we haven't seen since the colonial days when English monarchs still ruled us.
I'm not kidding here. Seriously. You may think Bush was bad or whatever, but you haven't seen anything yet.
There are such big changes coming because of all the socialist victories in every corner of society, that I don't think people fully realize whats going to hit them."
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 3:28:44 PM
|
|
|
cow451
Posts: 3973
Joined: 5/6/2005
Status: online
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Jhud
quote:
Yes she definitely slammed community organizers, which I thought was overkill and showed a weakness in her (and her speechwriters) approach. Overall I'd give her an "A" on the speech. The sarcasm wears a bit thin on a 30+ minute speech. And I tolerate sarcasm as well as anybody.
Well, I think part of her point (and I think it was valid) is that we are all to some extent 'community organizers' - but most of us don't think to put that on our resumes for the job of President, at least not as a primary experience.
You're being too deferential, IMHO. I have known people who were "community organizers" and they were nearly all dedicated, hard-working advocates. Her comments did come across as elitist and uninformed. This is a case where her "small town" background hurts her. People that live in urban areas vote, too. And a little humility helps take the rough edges off her demeanor.
Most any job can be argued as a plus or minus. I think she could make the same point without implying that any particular work is unworthy.
_____________________________
Wenn Sie so intelligent sind, warum Sie hier sind?
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 3:29:44 PM
|
|
|
tracydolls
Posts: 1839
Joined: 3/30/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
Sorry my bad for bringing up race. I only did it because I wasn't sure what Tracy meant by her post. And yes, Tracy, I did watch her speech despite my original thoughts not to. I figured I'd give her the benefit of the doubt. I laughed her comparison. I had to think about it awhile, but that's just me.
So Tracy was your post derogatory or not?
PALIN brought up the part about the pitbull and lipstick in her speech last night at the Republican National Convention in ST. Paul, MN on Wednesday Sept 3, 2008.
_____________________________
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 3:35:25 PM
|
|
|
stampinlady
Posts: 1542
Joined: 4/12/2005
From: Northern IL
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: tracydolls
quote:
Sorry my bad for bringing up race. I only did it because I wasn't sure what Tracy meant by her post. And yes, Tracy, I did watch her speech despite my original thoughts not to. I figured I'd give her the benefit of the doubt. I laughed her comparison. I had to think about it awhile, but that's just me.
So Tracy was your post derogatory or not?
PALIN brought up the part about the pitbull and lipstick in her speech last night at the Republican National Convention in ST. Paul, MN on Wednesday Sept 3, 2008.
Tracy, read my post again.
_____________________________
Deb
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech (a real thread) - 9/4/2008 3:37:07 PM
|
|
|
Jhud
Posts: 7780
Joined: 4/11/2005
From: Lake Wobegon
Status: online
|
quote:
You're being too deferential, IMHO. I have known people who were "community organizers" and they were nearly all dedicated, hard-working advocates. Her comments did come across as elitist and uninformed. This is a case where her "small town" background hurts her. People that live in urban areas vote, too. And a little humility helps take the rough edges off her demeanor.
Most any job can be argued as a plus or minus. I think she could make the same point without implying that any particular work is unworthy.
The fact is one of the candidates made being a community organizer a political football, and it wasn't Palin - she just ran with it.
_____________________________
Jack
It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first..
- Ronald Reagan
|
|
|
|
|
Forum Tools
Printable Version
