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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 1:38:48 PM
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cog41
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And for the record, a counter-rally of Ron Paul supporters just across the Mississippi from St Paul last night pulled in 10,000 attendees - a bit more than five.
Still say if Fred Thompson had carried most of Ron Paul's message he would have been a slamdunk for the nomination.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 1:43:09 PM
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Still say if Fred Thompson had carried most of Ron Paul's message he would have been a slamdunk for the nomination.
Thompson just looked tired on the campaign trail. I kept waiting for him to nod off during interviews.
However, I do strongly agree with Thompson's urgency (as I do Obama and Dick Lugar's) for securing loose nuke material in the former Soviet bloc.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 1:43:17 PM
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Your commitment to infanticide is a true and fitting testament to the compassion of the left. Thanks for sharing that.
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Well, they can't be Ron Paul supporters, there is more than five of them.
So instead, you just naturally assume they're with Obama's campaign? Based on what?
And for the record, a counter-rally of Ron Paul supporters just across the Mississippi from St Paul last night pulled in 10,000 attendees - a bit more than five.
Oh, by the way - I was so inspired by Sarah Palin's speech last night that I made a donation to Planned Parenthood in her name via the Internet.
That woman can sure motivate a body!
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 1:45:25 PM
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Your commitment to infanticide is a true and fitting testament to the compassion of the left. Thanks for sharing that.
Just supporting a woman's constitutional right to govern her own body without interference by big government.
Plus, I'm not a liberal nor a Democrat. I'm Indie.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 1:49:06 PM
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Your commitment to infanticide is a true and fitting testament to the compassion of the left. Thanks for sharing that.
Just supporting a woman's constitutional right to govern her own body without interference by big government.
Plus, I'm not a liberal nor a Democrat. I'm Indie.
Her own body yes, but I say one choice per body with a beating heart.
ANd its not in the constitution which is why in the next few years it will be turned back over to states.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 1:49:58 PM
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constitutional right to govern her own body
??? It Ain't there.
If it were we'd let people shoot heroin and or themselves at will.
Amazing.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 1:51:29 PM
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he probably thinks "separation of church and state" is in there too. Education is the key!
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 1:51:44 PM
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If it weren't for alternative media like C-Span, cable television, ethical bloggers and talk radio we would never hear a balanced view of politics in the news.
Do you really feel that the 'new' media of cable tv news shows, blogs, and talk radio is more objective than the 'old' media like major newspapers and the networks? Or, do those media just offer opinions that more closely allign with yours? What talk radio shows do you consider 'balanced'? Other than some on NPR, I'm not aware of any that I would consider remotely balanced (but I live in a small media market).
I do agree with your earlier statement that too often opinion is trotted out as 'news'. But, in my experience the 'old' media has less bias than cable news and news/opinion (Hannity & Colmes, Oreilly, Olbermann). Major newspapers have an editorial process, fact checkers, and are accountable. Their 'new media' counterpart, blogs and websites like the 'drudge report' frequently have no editorial oversight at all, have obvious axes to grind, don't give opposing points of view (or when they do, pick a feeble one), and don't do much in the way of correction of errors. So, I would argue that on the whole, the 'old' media is much more professional and balanced than most of the 'new' media you mentioned. Again, there is certainly room for improvement, but abandoning the New Hour, for example, to get ones news from the O'Reilly Factor or Michael Savage, is a big step backwards.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 1:51:48 PM
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be turned bac over to states.
Ah yes, the people of the respected states.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 1:51:58 PM
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If it were we'd let people shoot heroin and or themselves at will.
When's the last time you heard of anyone being arrested for attempting suicide?
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 1:55:37 PM
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be turned bac over to states.
Ah yes, the people of the respected states.
Just saying wehn it is most states will abolish it thus putting it back into the hands of the people instead of activists judges.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 2:00:28 PM
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The funny thing about the term "activist judges" (which is just red meat for the GOP's base) is that it tends to refer to a jurist who renders a decision that conservatives don't like.
Plus, it ignorantly casts stones against the constitutional role of the judiciary.
Besides, last time I checked, the SC justice who currently leads the bench in voting against established law is Clarence Thomas.
Does that make him an "activist judge"?
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 2:17:08 PM
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The funny thing about the term "activist judges" (which is just red meat for the GOP's base) is that it tends to refer to a jurist who renders a decision that conservatives don't like.
Plus, it ignorantly casts stones against the constitutional role of the judiciary.
Besides, last time I checked, the SC justice who currently leads the bench in voting against established law is Clarence Thomas.
Does that make him an "activist judge"?
I'm talking about pot smoking judges who come up with their own crazy interpretations like changing the defintion of marriage on their own when it goes against a majority of what people in the states want so they end up making their own ammendments just to fight back. This is not what Clarence Thomas did unless you have a specific example to back up what you are saying.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 2:23:58 PM
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I'm talking about pot smoking judges who come up with their own crazy interpretations like changing the defintion of marriage on their own when it goes against a majority of what people in the states want so they end up making their own ammendments just to fight back.
FYI: If you're referring to the CA Supreme Court decision on gay marriage in San Francisco, that decision was from a bench that was predominantly Republican.
Also, regarding the impact of "judicial activism" on the high court, check out the following:
http://www.washingtonindependent.com/350/judicial-partisanship-awards
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 2:25:58 PM
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I'm talking about pot smoking judges who come up with their own crazy interpretations like changing the defintion of marriage on their own when it goes against a majority of what people in the states want so they end up making their own ammendments just to fight back.
FYI: If you're referring to the CA Supreme Court decision on gay marriage in San Francisco, that decision was from a bench that was predominantly Republican.
Nope Massachusettes.
And still nothing to back up your Thomas smear?
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 2:29:05 PM
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See link above.
I was actually wrong: Thomas is not the biggest judicial activist on the high court, it's Scalia. But Thomas is a close second.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 2:36:18 PM
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I'm talking about pot smoking judges who come up with their own crazy interpretations like changing the defintion of marriage on their own when it goes against a majority of what people in the states want so they end up making their own ammendments just to fight back.
FYI: If you're referring to the CA Supreme Court decision on gay marriage in San Francisco, that decision was from a bench that was predominantly Republican.
Also, regarding the impact of "judicial activism" on the high court, check out the following:
http://www.washingtonindependent.com/350/judicial-partisanship-awards
o wow that is so rediculous. Its based on somebody's opinion on whether somebody thinks an issue is conservative or liberal. Let me guess you just looked at the chart and didn't read the txt?
I'm not sure you even understand judicial activism based on that.
Here see if you disagree with this:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Judicial_Activism
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 2:41:44 PM
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You apparently forget that there are TWO body's involved. One of which would be much better off without your "support". The mother keeps living. The other doesn't... thanks to that wonderful "support".
The result of the support that Pro-Lifers give the child is that both mother and baby live. Seems a lot more positive outcome of 'support' than the alternative. But, this isn't a thread about abortion. So, back to the wonderful speech by Palin.
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Your commitment to infanticide is a true and fitting testament to the compassion of the left. Thanks for sharing that.
Just supporting a woman's constitutional right to govern her own body without interference by big government.
Plus, I'm not a liberal nor a Democrat. I'm Indie.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 2:50:11 PM
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You confuse NEWS and COMMENTARY or ENTERTAINMENT. Talk radio isn't news. Whether it comes from left or right it is a combination of commentary and entertainment.
News has a specific function of reporting, objectively, about events or people.
Talk radio's very existence is dependent on being able to offer an alternative to liberally biased reporting. If the networks returned to the level of professionalism PRIOR to the presidency of Lyndon Johnson, talk radio would disappear overnight for lack of ratings.
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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
If it weren't for alternative media like C-Span, cable television, ethical bloggers and talk radio we would never hear a balanced view of politics in the news.
Do you really feel that the 'new' media of cable tv news shows, blogs, and talk radio is more objective than the 'old' media like major newspapers and the networks? Or, do those media just offer opinions that more closely allign with yours? What talk radio shows do you consider 'balanced'? Other than some on NPR, I'm not aware of any that I would consider remotely balanced (but I live in a small media market).
I do agree with your earlier statement that too often opinion is trotted out as 'news'. But, in my experience the 'old' media has less bias than cable news and news/opinion (Hannity & Colmes, Oreilly, Olbermann). Major newspapers have an editorial process, fact checkers, and are accountable. Their 'new media' counterpart, blogs and websites like the 'drudge report' frequently have no editorial oversight at all, have obvious axes to grind, don't give opposing points of view (or when they do, pick a feeble one), and don't do much in the way of correction of errors. So, I would argue that on the whole, the 'old' media is much more professional and balanced than most of the 'new' media you mentioned. Again, there is certainly room for improvement, but abandoning the New Hour, for example, to get ones news from the O'Reilly Factor or Michael Savage, is a big step backwards.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 2:50:48 PM
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Thanks Jack I was lost there for a second
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So is there a fact check on the fact check?
< Message edited by letusreason -- 9/4/2008 3:12:08 PM >
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 3:01:20 PM
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I thought this was a Palin 'fact-checking' thread?
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