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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 3:01:48 PM
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HighPlainsDrifter
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Plus, I'm not a liberal nor a Democrat. I'm Indie.
So am I. We're all indies.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 3:04:17 PM
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So am I. We're all indies.
Yeah, me too.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 3:18:07 PM
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I always find it interesting that Obama supporters (whom we have observed destroying property, attacking police, building bombs in our city this last week) will harp on anyone about 'elevating' the political dialogue. Palin could have spit on stage last night and it would have been far superior in tone to what typical Obama supporters spew out.
Jack,
still sticking to that line?
Anti-WAR protestors! Who have been protesting this mess in Iraq for 5 years now. Now you are from ST. Paul? My oh my.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 3:58:14 PM
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Jhud
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Jack,
still sticking to that line?
Anti-WAR protestors! Who have been protesting this mess in Iraq for 5 years now. Now you are from ST. Paul? My oh my.
Sure - and they weren't all anti-war people - we have all kinds of wacky leftist causes represented.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 4:02:57 PM
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tracydolls
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Sure - and they weren't all anti-war people - we have all kinds of wacky leftist causes represented.
Sure you are from ST. Paul?
Yep, and as AMERICANS they can protest, do what they want!
Empires come down from WITHIN.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 5:22:56 PM
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o wow that is so rediculous. Its based on somebody's opinion on whether somebody thinks an issue is conservative or liberal. Let me guess you just looked at the chart and didn't read the txt?
I'm not sure you even understand judicial activism based on that.
I understand the concept perfectly, in addition to you using an ad hominem stance to dismiss the stats I gave you out of hand without reading them.
You wanted numbers, and I gave them to you.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 5:42:57 PM
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Jhud
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I understand the concept perfectly, in addition to you using an ad hominem stance to dismiss the stats I gave you out of hand without reading them.
You wanted numbers, and I gave them to you.
Actually the numbers are pretty specious - they are based on how often certain justices voted with government agencies; what this has to do with 'activism' isn't really explained.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 5:55:58 PM
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Speaking of fact-checking Governor Palin, maybe she should check her own facts before her staff releases propaganda claiming the Obama-Biden ticket has done stuff it has not:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin
Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin on Thursday blamed supporters of the Democratic presidential ticket for spreading "misinformation and flat-out lies" about her and her family.
But her spokeswoman said Obama's campaign was not responsible, even though a Palin fundraising letter named the Democratic ticket with the words: "the Obama-Biden Democrats have been vicious in their attacks directed toward me, my family and John McCain."
The Obama campaign has raised questions about Palin's qualifications based on her six years as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, and less than two years as governor, but Obama himself has said her family should be off-limits. He also said he would fire any staffer who talks about it.
Palin spokeswoman Maria Comella said: "We appreciate the fact that he came out and condemned this kind of personal attack." Asked whether Palin thought Obama or his running mate, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, were personally responsible for the attacks mentioned in the letter, Comella said, "No."
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 6:00:39 PM
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They attack relentlessly and then go wahhhhh when someone attacks them.
I have never seen so much hyprocrisy from the right.
Speeches are not good....oh her speech was the best, now I know her so well.
Unmarried teen pregnancy is not good, until one of us is pregnant.
I wonder will she cry when its gets worse?
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 6:11:03 PM
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ORIGINAL: tracydolls
They attack relentlessly and then go wahhhhh when someone attacks them.
I have never seen so much hyprocrisy from the right.
Speeches are not good....oh her speech was the best, now I know her so well.
Unmarried teen pregnancy is not good, until one of us is pregnant.
I wonder will she cry when its gets worse?
You're making things up.
Who said, unmarried teen pregnancy is good?
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 6:12:15 PM
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Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin on Thursday blamed supporters of the Democratic presidential ticket for spreading "misinformation and flat-out lies" about her and her family.
But her spokeswoman said Obama's campaign was not responsible, even though a Palin fundraising letter named the Democratic ticket with the words: "the Obama-Biden Democrats have been vicious in their attacks directed toward me, my family and John McCain."
I am not sure what the contradiction is - she didn't say the campiagn was attacking her.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 6:16:49 PM
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More fact checks (a few excerpted below):
http://www.slate.com/id/2199362/
What command experience does Palin have as head of the Alaska National Guard?
The Alaska governor has no command role with National Guard troops engaged in combat operations or with the 49th Missile Defense Battalion, which is stationed in Alaska. She does command the National Guard when it comes to natural disasters and homeland security. These issues are handled by a member of her cabinet, Maj. Gen. Craig, the adjutant general for Alaska, who also handles veterans' affairs. Palin has called up the guard only once, in 2007, to fight wildfires. They were on standby for a 2007 whaling conference during which they expected protesters, but were never summoned.
Did she oppose the so-called "Bridge to Nowhere"?
When she was running for governor in 2006, Palin said she supported a $223 million federal earmark for the Gravina Island Bridge. Congress eventually killed the earmark after it became a symbol of pork-barrel spending, but Alaska was given the same amount of money to spend on other projects. Last year, Palin put a halt to state support of the project, saying, "We will continue to look for options for Ketchikan to allow better access to the island." The reversal was hailed by budget hawks, but it irked local politicians like Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein, who said, "[S]he pandered to us by saying, 'I'm for this.' "
Cindy McCain and others have asserted that Alaska's proximity to Russia has contributed to Palin's foreign-policy knowledge. What dealings has she had with Russia?
The campaign has not come up with any. Palin has never been to Russia.
Does she oppose federal earmarks?
Alaska has long been the recipient of astounding amounts of federal funding. While Palin slashed pork requests in half during her tenure, the state still requested $550 million in Palin's first year in office. This year she has requested about $198 million—$295 per person—which is still the highest amount per-capita in the country, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense. And when she was the mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired an Anchorage-based firm to secure $27 million in federal earmarks for the town.
Did she really stand up to big oil?
Palin's strategy in Alaska has been to expand oil production and to use the royalties to pay dividends for the state's citizens. Palin, whose husband worked for BP, endorsed Barack Obama's call for a windfall tax for oil companies. (John McCain says he opposes such a measure.) Her relationship with American oil firms like Exxon is less than cuddly, however. After a long negotiation process in 2006, she brokered a deal to build a pipeline between Alaska and the lower 48 with TransCanada, a Canadian company.
What is her record on ethics reform?
As governor, Palin signed ethics legislation limiting lobbyists' access to government officials and calling for more transparency in their dealings with Alaskan pols. As ethics commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, she accused a fellow Republican of illegally taking money from energy firms. (He later paid a large fine for his transgressions.) She has also reduced the perks of positions she's held personally: She put the governor's private jet up for sale on eBay and laid off her personal chef. As mayor of Wasilla, she cut her own salary.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 6:18:34 PM
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todd_t
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I am not sure what the contradiction is - she didn't say the campaign was attacking her.
She refers to "the Obama-Biden Democrats."
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 6:20:40 PM
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HighPlainsDrifter
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She refers to "the Obama-Biden Democrats."
Well, I'd offer that it remains to be seen just who was behind it.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 6:20:51 PM
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Jhud
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She refers to "the Obama-Biden Democrats."
So?
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 6:25:31 PM
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todd_t
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Why is she using Obama and Biden's names (in this instance) to lash out at something that others in the media and blogosphere did, and then use it ask for funds? (e.g. guilt by association)
I'm not saying her fund-raising is illegal, just that Palin is insinuating that Obama and Biden are behind the media snooping around her family get a charge out of her donors.
Perhaps you read it differently.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 6:26:40 PM
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You know, those Slate 'facts', despite their intended criticism, still show a tough reform minded governor who seemed intent on reducing spending and fighting corruption. That would seem like a good thing.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 6:28:53 PM
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I think the Slate piece treats her fairly.
One thing Palin has to understand (while hiding from the media) is that since she's a new figure on the political scene that there's going to heavy scrutiny into her record.
One of the Slate factoids I find interesting is her endorsement of Obama's call for a windfall tax on oil revenues.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 6:30:29 PM
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Jhud
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I think the Slate piece treats her fairly.
One thing Palin has to understand (while hiding from the media) is that since she's a new figure on the political scene that there's going to heavy scrutiny into her record.
Palin isn't 'hiding from the media'.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 6:32:56 PM
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Palin isn't 'hiding from the media'.
Yes, she is.
The McCain camp is cloistering her from media questions because (until they feel she has been properly coached) they are afraid they'll ask her a question on which she has no clue - say, related to her foreign policy chops.
Sooner or later, she'll have to answer unscripted questions.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 6:35:54 PM
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Palin isn't 'hiding from the media'.
Chrissy Mathews said so last night about 10 minutes after her speech, and Todd picked it up, so it must be true.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 6:36:12 PM
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Jhud
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Yes, she is.
The McCain camp is cloistering her from media questions because (until they feel she has been properly coached) they are afraid they'll ask her a question on which she has no clue - say, related to her foreign policy chops.
todd, don't start becoming a conspiratorialist, it's not becoming.
Last night they unleashed her for a few minutes, and she tore chunk out of the Obama campaign. Tonight is McCain's moment in the spotlight - but this women isn't afraid of the media, and after this week, she will give as good as she gets.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 6:37:06 PM
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Chrissy Mathews said so last night about 10 minutes after her speech, and Todd picked it up, so it must be true.
I didn't watch MSNBC's coverage last night; I watched the PBS broadcast.
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RE: Fact- Checking on Palin's Speech - 9/4/2008 6:39:27 PM
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HighPlainsDrifter
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I didn't watch MSNBC's coverage last night; I watched the PBS broadcast.
Apparently, you're on his wavelength.
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