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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/5/2008 4:23:59 PM
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I've lost a lot of respect for Obama because of his selfishness in trying to steal the thunder of McCain. That's just wrong, given how respectful McCain was to him.
Hold on, McCain bought lots of network ad time during the DNC convention - if he can try to steal Obama's thunder, why isn't turnabout fair play?
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/5/2008 4:34:57 PM
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Did Obama release an ad congratulating McCain on his nomination? Mc Cain had no problem being a gentleman in that regard.....
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/5/2008 4:38:24 PM
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Did Obama release an ad congratulating McCain on his nomination? Mc Cain had no problem being a gentleman in that regard.....
Forgive me, but I tend to doubt the man's sincerity in that ad.
McCain hardly looked warm and gracious; instead, he looked like he was biting his tongue to keep from swearing at Obama.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/5/2008 4:43:47 PM
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Well, I saw it as being a gentleman, which these contests SHOULD be. Of course, the left will question it's sincerity, but the ad was the right thing to do and demonstrated a true touch of class.....
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/5/2008 4:44:06 PM
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Forgive me, but I tend to doubt the man's sincerity in that ad.
McCain hardly looked warm and gracious; instead, he looked like he was biting his tongue to keep from swearing at Obama.
Oh c'mon Todd. Reading minds now are we? What's to be gained from this sort of pointless conjecture?
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/5/2008 4:48:42 PM
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Oh c'mon Todd. Reading minds now are we? What's to be gained from this sort of pointless conjecture?
Oh, come on yourself. Are you the type of guy who takes everything at face value?
I'm not, especially not during an election year.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/5/2008 5:12:07 PM
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Why are you calling him NObama? ...Isn't that uncivil? Come on now guys! Be respectful like McCain.
I call him NObama because I am saying No to Obama and thus combine the two. Just expressing my stance; I'm not being disrespectful.
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As to what "all liberals want to do", well, I'd consider myself a liberal, and I have a decent number of friends who self-identify as liberal... and no, we don't think Obama would withdraw immediately. See, we read up on what Obama says, we occasionally check out his website about what his proposed strategy is etc, etc. No, speaking for at least some liberals, we don't believe Obama's going to have all the troops out the moment he's president. The liberals in your head may disagree with me, may disagree with Obama and disagree with reality, but they aren't "all liberals", they are imaginary liberals that have no bearing on anything in reality.
Dude! You'd think I called you a dirty name by using the term liberal.
You and your friends may keep up with what NObama says about his foreign policy but I think you might be in the minority. I don't know that for a fact but from what I see on this board and from what I hear on the news, and from what I hear directly from NObama it is the belief that McCain wants to stay in Iraq "for 100 years" and NObama wants to bring the troops home.
I hear rally cries "Bring Them Home! Bring Them Home!" Well he ain't going to "Bring Them Home!", as you yourself just stated.
Maybe I shouldn't have phrased it as "all liberals", maybe "most" or "a lot of" would have been better.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/5/2008 5:14:31 PM
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I watched the interview last night on you tube and i must say im very pleased with what i saw.
OReilly didnt let him get by with stammering around and ummm ahhh like he usually does. You can tell Obama was frustrated.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/5/2008 7:32:22 PM
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This drives me crazy. Why can't Fox air the whole interview in one shot?
Oh, yeah...gotta have those ratings
Absolutely. It would be better if they aired it all in one shot which I may think will still happen. If you knew for sure they were going to do that you could avoid the piecemail stuff and watch the full interview. If enough people did that maybe Fox would get the message that the viewers want interviews in one shot. But Fox News is a business, can't blame them for wanting the ratings.
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Did Obama release an ad congratulating McCain on his nomination? Mc Cain had no problem being a gentleman in that regard.....
Well Obama accomplished something historic that demonstrated how far we have come in this country concerning race relations. That's what McCain was congradulating Obama for, not just for simply winning the nomination. I couldn't see him doing an ad like that for Joe Biden or John Edwards because their nominations would not have been historic.
Besides if Obama did the same thing for McCain to celebrate McCain being the oldest man ever nominated for President I think it would be seen as a political ploy to point out McCain's age. Obama has congradulated McCain before I believe, that's sufficient. McCain just went the extra mile to highlight the historical import of the occasion. I commend McCain on his class but its not bad on Obama that he did not reciprocate as its two different circumstances.
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McCain hardly looked warm and gracious; instead, he looked like he was biting his tongue to keep from swearing at Obama.
While I certainly do not take everything a politician says at face value I have no real reason to think McCain was insincere and its not an issue that would affect my vote so I'll just take him at his word, no matter my thoughts at his delivery of the message.
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OReilly didnt let him get by with stammering around and ummm ahhh like he usually does. You can tell Obama was frustrated.
Just my opinion but I would think that O Reilly is the easiest interview to prepare for on television. He is tough but you know what he is going to ask. Simply watch the recent tapes of his show (which candidates have people who can do that). Anytime O Reilly says "Why didn't MSNBC ask the Senator about ..." then you can bet that question will be asked. If the topic has been the subject of multiple talking points memos then you can bet he'll be asking about it. O Reilly has his important topics that are constantly discussed on his show and thats what he'll ask about. Both to satisfy his curiosity and to please his fans AKA "the folks".
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/5/2008 7:39:01 PM
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Just my opinion but I would think that O Reilly is the easiest interview to prepare for on television. He is tough but you know what he is going to ask. Simply watch the recent tapes of his show (which candidates have people who can do that). Anytime O Reilly says "Why didn't MSNBC ask the Senator about ..." then you can bet that question will be asked. If the topic has been the subject of multiple talking points memos then you can bet he'll be asking about it. O Reilly has his important topics that are constantly discussed on his show and thats what he'll ask about. Both to satisfy his curiosity and to please his fans AKA "the folks".
I agree and I think this is why NObama was ready with a quick answer to the question and knew immediately how O'Reilly would respond.
He seemed very quick and didn't stammer, like he was very prepared and had rehearsed well for this. After all, we've seen him respond off the cuff and he can't hardly get a sentence out.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/5/2008 11:40:16 PM
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what I hear directly from NObama it is the belief that McCain wants to stay in Iraq "for 100 years" and NObama wants to bring the troops home. that's because during the primaries that is what McCain said...that it was okay with him if we were in Iraq for 60 or 100 years. So, Mr. McCain himself is responsible for that. And if he's so truthful and didn't really mean it, then why did he say it at all?
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/5/2008 11:47:37 PM
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what I hear directly from NObama it is the belief that McCain wants to stay in Iraq "for 100 years" and NObama wants to bring the troops home. that's because during the primaries that is what McCain said...that it was okay with him if we were in Iraq for 60 or 100 years. So, Mr. McCain himself is responsible for that. And if he's so truthful and didn't really mean it, then why did he say it at all?
And has been proven time and time again this comment was taken way out of context and distorted.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/6/2008 2:41:21 AM
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Just my opinion but I would think that O Reilly is the easiest interview to prepare for on television. He is tough but you know what he is going to ask. Simply watch the recent tapes of his show (which candidates have people who can do that). Anytime O Reilly says "Why didn't MSNBC ask the Senator about ..." then you can bet that question will be asked. If the topic has been the subject of multiple talking points memos then you can bet he'll be asking about it. O Reilly has his important topics that are constantly discussed on his show and thats what he'll ask about. Both to satisfy his curiosity and to please his fans AKA "the folks".
Which is what makes it even more humorous that Obama was so nervous.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/6/2008 3:49:38 AM
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I missed the interview. Will watch it on YouTube tonight when my net speed goes up again.
I was watching Billo today and he was speaking a bit about the interview. He said he was impressed by Obama and his professionalism. The only thing he criticised Obama for was not admitting that he was wrong about the surge. Which I really respect Obama for. I love that he's sticking to his guns on that one. He had Geraldo Rivera on who added his two cents about the interview. He said Obama did well but he didn't come off as well as Hillary did in her interview with Billo. It'll definitely be interesting to see. I'd love it if Billo interviewed McCain and Palin and pressed them on every single issue and made them answer things directly like he did with Hillary and Obama. But he probably wont incase McCain or Palin choke. He wouldn't wont to make them look bad. Whereas he interviewed Hillary and Obama with the intent of making them look bad. Didn't work with Hillary. Had the opposite effect. I haven't watched the Obama interview but I expect the same outcome.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/6/2008 9:52:58 AM
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O Reilly did interview McCain and he did press him on several issues, including immigration. There is no getting around that O Reilly and McCain agree politically more than O Reilly and Obama or O Reilly and Clinton. So in O Reilly's style of interviewing (ask about the issues "the folks" care about) it may have appeared less confrontational but I think he conducted the interviews about the same. He even asked McCain about John Hagee's endorsement. Hagee has been accused of saying hateful things about Catholics & Jews. I do wish he would have followed up a bit more on that one.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/6/2008 10:22:43 AM
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O'REILLY: Who's the enemy?
OBAMA: Al Qaeda, the Taliban, a whole host of networks that are bent on attacking America, who have a distorted ideology, who have perverted the faith of Islam, and so we have to go after them.
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Seven years ago, this Republican administration could not identify the enemy....and now we have our military occupying a country that had nothing to do with Al Qaeda or radical Islam.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/6/2008 10:47:21 AM
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Whereas he interviewed Hillary and Obama with the intent of making them look bad.
Actually, I thought Bill was rather soft on Hillary....
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/6/2008 1:01:59 PM
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Whereas he interviewed Hillary and Obama with the intent of making them look bad. Didn't work with Hillary. Had the opposite effect. I haven't watched the Obama interview but I expect the same outcome.
Wrong.
This is what was on Bill Oreillys website - his personal column he writes.
This was one of the rare times i disagreed with Oreilly btw.
http://www.billoreilly.com/newslettercolumn;jsessionid=2649DC84752E1A297D97FBE5A40B9234?pid=24183
Like him or not, you have to give Barack Obama credit for waging a smart, focused campaign. Destroying the Clinton machine was a major achievement and so was putting together a successful convention in Denver. Obama is now firmly a part of U.S. history, no matter what happens in the presidential election.
The problem some Americans continue to have with the Senator is that he is long on charisma but short on detail. This frightens some voters. Who the heck is this guy, anyway? So when Obama finally agreed to speak to me this week, specifics were on my mind.
First, the man. The Barack Obama I witnessed is self-confident, determined and driven. He was acutely aware of his surroundings from the moment he entered the room. He looks you in the eye and touches your shoulder. He understands how to connect one-on-one.
As far as philosophy goes, Senator Obama is convinced that the federal government should be in control of income distribution and, to some extent, should regulate the free marketplace. That is a classic liberal position, and Obama promotes it well.
The Senator also believes that poor Americans have a basic right to free health care and monetary supplements from the government with no strings attached. The American substance abuser, for example, would derive the same benefit as a hard working, laid off worker would. Again, classic liberalism. No judgments made regarding entitlements.
So, if Barack Obama does become president, there will definitely be change. His left-wing base will demand it, and he will come through. You can decide if that's change we should believe in, but keep in mind that the unintended consequences of government interference in the marketplace are impossible to predict. Free markets have a way of chafing under government imposition.
On the foreign policy front, Obama has convinced me that he is tough but cautious. He rose up quickly because he vehemently opposed the Iraq war. But now I see a man who understands the victory that has taken place in Iraq. I don't believe he wants to screw that up. I could be wrong.
After going mano-a-mano with Obama on television, I am also persuaded that he is a sincere guy—that he wants the best for all Americans. He's an ideologue, but not a blind one. He understands that his story is incredible, and, I have come to believe, he is grateful to the American system for allowing it happen.
It is true that we don't know whether Senator Obama has the ability to solve complex problems, but you can say that about all presidential contenders.
Like most politicians, Obama has used guile and good luck to accumulate his power. He can be ruthless, kind, unfair, and generous. In short, he's a real person trying to achieve an unreal position—that of the most powerful person in the world.
God help him.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/6/2008 1:20:40 PM
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So I'm watching the interview right now. I'll pause it after every question or after every key point and tell you what I think.
Obama's right about the war on terror. He knows who the real enemy is. I'm not so sure Bush or McCain can say the same. He understand Sunnis and Shiites. Al Qaeda and the Taliban are Sunnis. Iran is Shiite. So their not part of the same network. They're not on the same team so to say. Obama says Bush made a mistake by lumping Sunni and Shiite together. Double points for Obama.
Onto Iran. Obama's not going to take the military option off the table but he thinks that option should only be used once we've exhausted every other resource. In other words he's going to diplomatic force Iran to shut down their nuclear program. If not he'll use military force. He says he'll never hesitate to use military force to protect the homeland and the US' interests. But diplomacy first. Another point for Obama.
Now when it comes to Iraq war, O'Reilly admits that Obama was right from the start and that history will show that but thinks he was wrong on the surge. He tries to make Obama admit he was wrong. Obama admits the violence has decreased but refuses to admit it. Double points for sticking to your guns Obama.
Again O'Reilly agrees with Obama on Pakistan and the fact that you can't put a decent dent in Al Qaeda unless Pakistan deals with the terrorists that are taking refuge in their country. He also praised Obama's acceptance speech which was nice. Obama wants to have more control over how Pakistan uses they military support which the US is giving them. Because at the moment the US is not telling Pakistan how to use the military support they are supply and as a result Pakistan is preparing to attack India. But he's not going to invade Pakistan or take it over. He just wants to put pressure on them to use the military support that the US is aiding them with to target terrorists in their own country. So points there for Obama as well.
Can someone point out where he seemed intimidating by O'Reilly. O'Reilly spoke louder than him in parts. That's it. Obama never seemed weak at any point in that interview. I thought he came off well. But that's just the way I see it though. But I'd be interested to see people actually point out where Obama seemed weak. Anyway, look forward to the other parts of the interview when the are shown next week.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/6/2008 1:29:38 PM
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Double points for sticking to your guns even when you have been proven wrong?
Ooookay...
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/6/2008 1:54:26 PM
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Now when it comes to Iraq war, O'Reilly admits that Obama was right from the start and that history will show that but thinks he was wrong on the surge. He tries to make Obama admit he was wrong. Obama admits the violence has decreased but refuses to admit it. Double points for sticking to your guns Obama.
Correction; NObama finally admitted that the surge did work, he stated that the surge worked better than anyone including Bush could have ever anticipated.
He said his only objection is that is has not accomplished the political goals that was part of the surge strategy. It is on this point that he contends the surge didn't work.
However Iraq is continually taking control over it's own provinces one step at a time. This isn't going to happen all once but is a continual process.
Iraq just took over responsibility for security in Anbar. Once considered the most violent province in Iraq and a safe haven for Al Qaeda is now safer than it has ever been. Once a place where an average of 1 American soldier died per day now is a place where soldiers attending the handover ceremony didn't wear Kevlar, they didn't even carry guns.
This would not have been possible without the surge.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/6/2008 2:26:47 PM
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It seemed that Obama was straining so hard and bugging out his eyes to look tought on security; that I was concerned he would soil himself.
I am looking forward to the next 3 episodes.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/7/2008 10:05:54 AM
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"He's a tough guy, Obama ... I looked at him eye to eye — he's not a wimpy guy."
-Bill O'Reilly
...there you have it folks...Obama passed the O'Reilly look him in the eye test.... :0
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/7/2008 10:11:23 AM
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Double points for sticking to your guns even when you have been proven wrong?
Ooookay...
Yeah. Unfortunately Obama does that way too much. And the fact he does it while he looks someone in the eye is even worse.
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RE: Obama On O'Reilly - 9/7/2008 10:15:42 AM
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Double points for sticking to your guns even when you have been proven wrong?
Ooookay...
Yeah. Unfortunately Obama does that way too much. And the fact he does it while he looks someone in the eye is even worse.
Wait? I thought Obama was flip-flopper who changes his policies to suit the general consensus. But now you're saying he's too stubborn and keeps the same policies, even if he's proven wrong. Which one is it?
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