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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 9:15:18 AM
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SwedishCovenant
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We're not better off than we were 4 years ago is what I meant, sorry ;) I think that's easy to see...unless of course, you own 7 houses...
Or one million+ dollar house a convicted criminal helped you purchase...
Always happy to help out and correct errors in assertions of fact:
A) At the time of the Obama house purchase, Rezko was not convicted or even indicted for anything.
B) Obama bought the house and the lot on which it stood, Rezko bought the adjacent lot. Rezko did not 'help' Obama buy the house.
C) No criminal or even unethical wrongdoing has ever been charge, or even implied, in this deal - except by Republicans desperate to attack Obama on anything they think they can find. As the saying goes, "there is no 'there', there."
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4315880
You're welcome.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 9:18:47 AM
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It is very easy to Vote for Mccain/Palin. As I stated before on my blog and in a forum
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We know elections are just around the corner. I'm neither Democrat
nor any longer a Republican. Politicians are Politicians. I've
decided my alliance is with God's Truth. Meaning I consider myself as
a follower of Christ Jesus. My belief system is based upon the word
of God.
It is my hope we all will follow the leading of the Holy Spirit and
not be moved by smooth words, nor eloquence of speech. We should not
take man by face value, but by His Vote Record and Lifestyle. The
integrity of his character and protecting the innocent (orphans,
widows, unborn, the helpless,etc...).
I see it this way, anyone who does not know when life begins and does not know how to respond with wisdom in times of trouble... well... He does not get my vote. My vote is very precious. Remember in God's economy Righteousness exalts a nation... not agreeing with sinfulness. Jesus is my Righteouness and My Lord Wants Children to live, whether a doctor informs us that he/she is born with abnormalities or not. I love the fact that Palin put her future grandchild's life above public opinion. That she never try to hide or encourage her child to have a abortion to protect her career. Apparently, she practices what she believes. ProLife and Not Death.
Many families are suffering the influence of the world system of the children. I have first hand experience via working in times past in the Troubled Youth Ministries. In fact, quite a few girls and boys from God fearing homes experienced unwed pregancies. I thank the girls and boys for not eliminating a future life... but, allowing their child to have the same rights to experience existence on earth... expressing themselves in a wonderful way (especially, if they raise them in the way of the Lord).
The Media had some nerve to talk about her daughters pregnacy when Hollywood does everything to destroy the moral values most parents try to instill into their children. With programs like sex in the city, soap operas, girl friends, mtv, vh1, bet, etc... what parent can protect their children from their (Hollywood's) influence. Children who have no televisions in their homes still ways to observe these things. Besides, we all were children (did you want to obey your parents instructions?)... I remember hating the fact my mother did not work. She was a housewife and unlike most of peers, I never had a chance to skip school. I now thank God for that . But rebellion is in the heart of most children and they, will always want to do things our ways. It is no reflection on the parents... children are human beings who also have a free will. After all, most of us are God's children. And there have been times in the past and hopefully not in the future, when God says no... yet, we've disobeyed and did it our way. Sometimes, some of his most loved saints have shamed His Name. However, He forgave and restored them. What Love.
All... I have to say is that the Word states that we know who is His by their love one towards another. Her love towards her daugther behavior is a display of love and forgiveness.
Remember, they spoke all matters of evil first against her character and experience, then again Jesus stated His followers would suffer such. Remember, Jesus The Christ suffered at the hands of the religious rulers of his day. He was doing good deeds and they kept calling him the son of the devil. So as far as her statements go towards her opponent... well even our Lord called the Pharisees a name. He had righteous anger:
Luke 13:12-32
12.And when Jesus saw her, he called her to him, and said unto her, Woman, thou art loosed from thine infirmity.
13.And he laid his hands on her: and immediately she was made straight , and glorified God.
14.And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation , because that Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work : in them therefore come and be healed , and not on the sabbath day.
15.The Lord then answered him, and said , Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering ?
16.And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound , lo , these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?
17.And when he had said these things, all his adversaries were ashamed : and all the people rejoiced for all the glorious things that were done by him. 18.Then said he , Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it?
19.It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took , and cast into his garden; and it grew , and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it.
20.And again he said , Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God?
21.It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened .
22.And he went through the cities and villages, teaching , and journeying toward Jerusalem.
23.Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved ? And he said unto them,
24.Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in , and shall not be able .25.When once the master of the house is risen up , and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying , Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are :
26.Then shall ye begin to say , We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27.But he shall say , I tell you, I know you not whence ye are ; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28.There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
29.And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.
30.And, behold , there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.
31.The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out , and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee. 32.And he said unto them, Go ye , and tell that fox, Behold , I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected .
Amen... Jesus was no coward. He is the bold Lion of Judah. Just as I do not for a person because of his/her political party, race, gender. But those who will stand with Israel and not those who hate them. God says those who bless them will be blessed and those who curse her will be cursed. Many are turning against Israel, my Lord lineage is from the tribe of Judah. America has be raised for such a time as this... Just like Esther (See God uses women for protecting a nation... he also used Deborah. Anyone who will listen and obey His leading). (In fact, in the book of Eshter if never mentions God... just a thought about the person who said Palin never mentioned God. Though you see God's presence throughout the book of Esther. Well, I saw the Lord's presence woven throughout the platform of McCain/Palin. They refuse to call good evil and evil good. Listen closely to their opponents. They call many lifestyles choses... abortion, etc... good, and anyone who opposes that evil.)
Anyway, I don't want a Carter Mentality ruling the whitehouse, allowing our enemies to destroy our freedom to worship the true and Living God.
I will not bow down to ali, because once they are in these borders they will not only kill the jewish nation, but anyone who do not bow down to their god. Christians, Hindus, Buddism, etc... See in our Christian nation we allow all people the freedom to worship, even if we know and believe Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. I do not want a clueless, undiscerning leader in the White House. If is not about protecting America, It is about protecting Israel and all nations who want the freedom to chose.
So I stand with Mccain/Palin. How could you not support them?????
~Dolli Kemp
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So Again As I stated before on my blog and in a forum :quote:
We know elections are just around the corner. I'm neither Democrat
nor any longer a Republican. Politicians are Politicians. I've
decided my alliance is with God's Truth. Meaning I consider myself as
a follower of Christ Jesus. My belief system is based upon the word
of God.
Let us not vote because of the promises people make about turning the
economy around. We in America have fail to understand the God's
Word state that Righteousness exalts a nation, as a Christian Jesus is
My Righteousness. And if we Christian will conform to the likeness
of Christ as much as possible by The Holy Spirit's help (yes by God's Grace). Then we would have more influence and presence in this culture of intolerence against Christians. (And yes, we all sin and fall short of God's Glory... but, thank God for Provision through Christ Jesus to repent
and overcome the sins of our flesh, (and be cleansed by the Blood of
the Lamb). This is not the time to hide. But, live what we know to
be true and talk about. Stop pointing the fingers at unbelievers who
know NOT what they do. But live in such the way that they'll want what
we have Salvation, Love, Joy,Peace, Fearlessness (of people and circumstances), Hope, Grace, Forgiveness and Mercy. Meaning getting our hearts right (love and forgiveness towards all... one another (I'm speaking to myself too... Not a day goes by where I'm looking to repent and change in whatever area the Holy Spirit reveals). Also, remember do
not fear what is happening in the economy. God is our economy. God
will not forsake us, He will give us wisdom on how to get through
whatever come to this nation. In fact, if we will do what the word
of God said to Israel in 2 Chronicles 7:12-22
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2 Chronicles 7:12-22
12 And the LORD appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him, I
have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an
house of sacrifice. 13 If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or
if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence
among my people; 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall
humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their
wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their
sin, and will heal their land. 15 Now mine eyes shall be open, and
mine ears attend unto the prayer that is made in this place. 16 For
now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be
there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there
perpetually. 17 And as for thee, if thou wilt walk before me, as
David thy father walked, and do according to all that I have
commanded thee, and shalt observe my statutes and my judgments; 18
Then will I establish the throne of thy kingdom, according as I have
covenanted with David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a
man to be ruler in Israel. 19 But if ye turn away, and forsake my
statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall
go and serve other gods, and worship them; 20 Then will I pluck them
up by the roots out of my land which I have given them; and this
house, which I have sanctified for my name, will I cast out of my
sight, and will make it to be a proverb and a byword among all
nations. 21 And this house, which is high, shall be an astonishment
to every one that passeth by it; so that he shall say, Why hath the
LORD done thus unto this land, and unto this house? 22 And it shall
be answered, Because they forsook the LORD God of their fathers,
which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on
other gods, and worshiped them, and served them: therefore hath he
brought all this evil upon them.
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Yes, if we who are called by His Name.. Will do the same. God can
turn the situation around. God told Abraham if he could find those
who are righteous... He would not destroy that city. In this land we have many who have not turn from God, and Jesus is our Righteousness. So we need to encouage one another not to play church but live our lives unto the Lord, showing Him we are faithful. I realize everyone is blaming the unbelievers for what is happening. But, I beg to differ. In fact, the things done inside some of the so called Christian Churches are just as vile as those they are pointing their fingers at, profaning the name of Jesus by their perverted lifestyles. God will not be mocked, nor will He continue to allow His Name to be Misrepresented. We as believers are responsible who we allow to lead us. Therefore, I do believe judgment begins in the house of the Lord. And some false shepherds (see I stated some not all pastors and teachers) who claim to serve Him yet, never tend to the Lord sheeps. They desire to worshiped and exalted, commanding other serve them but fail to serve others. They promote themselves (creating larger than life personalities) and boast of their abilities, so that the sheep are depended on them, instead of pointing the sheep to... to keep their eyes on Jesus the Living God, the ONLY TRUE SAVIOR. Yes, some false shepherds have deceived and lead some gulliable sheeps astray via encouraging division and partiality by Racism (so called black and white churches alike. There should be no race mentioned in the matters of God. In fact, Jews and Gentile are alike in the Body of Christ. (Race... we are of the human race... pride created this race thing... Again, we are of the Body of Christ). Yet, God will forgive such error if they repent of such erroneous teachings. So may we all pray for false shepherds and those who are mislead, that they will not refuse to repent, but come to their senses. I know I aspire to continuously examine my heart through the day, let us encourage all to examine our lives and not misrepresent Christ Jesus.
Yes, may the Lord give us wisdom in choosing a leader. And who ever
is allowed to win, may we continue to pray for the President and not
stone him, as we are commanded to pray for those in leadership. My choice will never be based upon a person having the same gender (female) nor skin tone (black) as I, the faith they claim to profess to be Christian... the Lord has given us guide lines to discern His own. My choice will not be based on the eloquence of speech nor the wonderful sounding promises for a better economy or health plan. My vote will be based upon the their past voting records of protecting the innocent and helpless (unborn children, violated children, elderly, orphans) protecting the right to practice our faith as other has been allowed to practice theirs and the right to celebrate our Christian beliefs as other religion have been given liberities to celebrate theirs. Though I haven't any children I want the freedom for parents to chose the schools for the children and be able to homeschool to teach family values and their own beliefs as other groups. My choice will be based on the person's past records of practice the family values they profess they do before the voters.
So I pray we will all vote with discernment and not by sight or what we hear. We do not look at the world through rose color glasses we have the Mind of Christ to vote by the Voice of Truth, His Word.
Why? Again, we should put our faith in God and not in the government to resolve this present state. I do believe that God has the Kings (decision makers heart in his Hands and will turn to our favor if we make Christ our Lord and not the idolatry of mere men and their abilities. Trust God not Man. Remember, Israel was not satisfied to have God leading them, they wanted a King of their choosing, and the Lord gave them what the wanted. A very self-centered disobedient was Saul, he always had an excuse or a spin on what actually happened. Much heart ache... and corruption followed his reign. One could not trust him to do what was expected of him. Praise The Lord, that He is the King of Kings, that never baits and switch. He is a King of His Word who Keeps His Promises. May we vote of a Man after Gods' own heart, that is willing to fear God and not man's opinion. Who is bold enough... fearless to do that which is right in the eyes of God.
Love you all and if I offended in word... Then ask the Lord to give you
the ability to forgive me and pray for me... that I do God's Will and
not Dolli's.
In Christ Jesus,
~Dolli
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 9:19:37 AM
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Lisa, thanks for the video clip.
The AG , from what I know, has always been in favor of woman in leadership and I think that's wonderful. I don't know if I agree scripturally with them on woman pastors, but ... .
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 9:43:55 AM
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Lisa, thanks for the video clip.
The AG , from what I know, has always been in favor of woman in leadership and I think that's wonderful. I don't know if I agree scripturally with them on woman pastors, but ... .
The Bible does not agree with them!!!
It's very clear that women should NOT be in leadership roles in the Church, but like everything else with the Christian right.... it goes out the door.....
whenever it doesnt fit their agenda......
1Co 14:35 And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame for a woman to speak in a church.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 9:45:06 AM
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It's very clear that women should NOT be in leadership roles in the Church, but like everything else with the Christian right.... it goes out the door.....
Um, Tracy? Sarah isn't running for a leadership position within a church....
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 9:46:09 AM
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This is what we as Christians want?!
umm...
hmm...
YES
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 9:48:18 AM
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The Bible does not agree with them!!!
It's very clear that women should NOT be in leadership roles in the Church, but like everything else with the Christian right.... it goes out the door.....
whenever it doesnt fit their agenda......
Prove it?
Many great men of God can't even agree on the subjet, what makes you so special? Go check out the thread on Womans Roles and you'll get a better understanding. We can't take this thread off topic.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 10:00:39 AM
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Prove it?
Many great men of God can't even agree on the subjet,
Proof? LOL. The Bible.
1Co 14:35 And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame for a woman to speak in a church.
and God is no respector of persons........
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 10:00:58 AM
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Well said. I do respect McCain, but 8 years of the same is too much - and to answer a question from another Republican - no, we are not better off than we were 8 years ago.
So you were glad when Clinton was done and Bush came into office?
We're not better off than we were 4 years ago is what I meant, sorry ;) I think that's easy to see...unless of course, you own 7 houses...
Peace and God bless,
Not necessarily, you might have owned 8 houses before that.
If someone wants to own 20 houses why can't they? Epecially if they fought and sacrificed dearly for the country the houses are in.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 10:11:01 AM
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For what it is worth, a guest on either Dennis Prager or Rush Limbaugh today (sorry, I forgot which one I was listening to) was present after Palin's election to governor. He said that she thanked everyone for their prayers, and that she could not function without them.
I am not so worried about a leader's faith. What I am concerned about is their integrity and their deeds that flow out of whatever value system they have. That is why I had no problems with Romney's Mormonism. It is obviously wrong, but the values that he would have brought to the Presidency would have been almost identical to a normal Christian (family, life, small government, honesty, etc).
Palin is going to be a fine VP.
So your position is, then, that a person can be decent and honorable, even admirable, without being born again?
Doesn't that put you into conflict with a large number of the fundamentalist posters on this Board, and indeed with most of the Religious Right in America?
Sure, maybe it does. But none of my goals in life include being beholden to other people's opinions about me.
My position is that a leader can fulfill his or her leadership responsibilities in a righteous manner regardless of religion. Those leadership responsibilities are chiefly to defend the nation from enemies internal and external, and to be a force against evil. I would obviously prefer a fellow brother or sister in Christ to do the job, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be done by, say, a Jew or a Mormon. It doesn't take a Christian to fund and organize a military, nor does it take one to be fiscally responsible with their citizen's money.
Huskarine answered for me well in his post.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 10:12:31 AM
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Context, context, context. Tracy you should no better.
Thats how Right wing Christians try to get around the Bible.
Well no it doesnt actually mean that, that's not the context of the verse...
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 10:12:53 AM
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My answer to the question: How could a Christian support McCain/Palin:
Sarah Palin is a Christian who stands for the same things I stand for. That's why I support her.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 10:14:15 AM
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Context, context, context. Tracy you should no better.
Thats how Right wing Christians try to get around the Bible.
Well no it doesnt actually mean that, that's not the context of the verse...
false advocacy is no laughing matter, tracy.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 10:55:26 AM
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BO lives in a mansion. His brother lives in a shack made of garbage. That tells you more about the man than any land deal, crooked or otherwise, with a future, past or present felon. The crime is that the lives in luxury while his brother lives in squalor.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 11:02:40 AM
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good point but we haven't reached the 4th Quater yet. If McCain wins on NOVERMBER 4th, than I'l accept that as God's wil, I guess just as it was God's will for Nero Being in power......
I was referring to your previous votes. I don't know how this one will turn out.
I would say, though, that comparing a duly elected President to a Roman emperor who killed Christians in creative and horrifying ways is really, really uncalled-for.
You're going to have to deal with the fact that there are people who have different opinions than you, and the fact that they have different opinions does not mean that they, or the people they vote for, are eeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 12:38:29 PM
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If you are wanting to hear about Sarah Palin's faith from her own lips, here is a great video clip.
http://christiannewsreport.blogspot.com:80/2008/09/palin-speech-from-this-summer.html
Thank you for the quip .... I hope those who have had doubts about her faith and motivation will view it.
I love my Lord with everything in me and have no problem whatsoever supporting this ticket.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 1:47:09 PM
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To answer the orginal poster's question..........it's easy, we need to do everything in our power to keep Obama from getting elected! In this case, it means voting for McCain/Palin!
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 3:50:51 PM
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BO lives in a mansion. His brother lives in a shack made of garbage. That tells you more about the man than any land deal, crooked or otherwise, with a future, past or present felon. The crime is that the lives in luxury while his brother lives in squalor.
Barak Obama built himself from nothing to a success. His brother has chosen to remain estranged.
Cindy McCAin inherited tens of millions from her father - her half sister by that father, a paltry ten grand. And the two sisters barely speak to ech other.
Remove the log from thine own eye, and all that.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 3:55:32 PM
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 4:33:00 PM
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rhippie
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For what it is worth, a guest on either Dennis Prager or Rush Limbaugh today (sorry, I forgot which one I was listening to) was present after Palin's election to governor. He said that she thanked everyone for their prayers, and that she could not function without them.
I am not so worried about a leader's faith. What I am concerned about is their integrity and their deeds that flow out of whatever value system they have. That is why I had no problems with Romney's Mormonism. It is obviously wrong, but the values that he would have brought to the Presidency would have been almost identical to a normal Christian (family, life, small government, honesty, etc).
Palin is going to be a fine VP.
So your position is, then, that a person can be decent and honorable, even admirable, without being born again?
Doesn't that put you into conflict with a large number of the fundamentalist posters on this Board, and indeed with most of the Religious Right in America?
To my knowledge no one has ever said that the unsaved could not be "decent and honorable, even admirable"; the problem is that they are still sinners doomed to any eternity without Christ
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 4:39:27 PM
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For what it is worth, a guest on either Dennis Prager or Rush Limbaugh today (sorry, I forgot which one I was listening to) was present after Palin's election to governor. He said that she thanked everyone for their prayers, and that she could not function without them.
I am not so worried about a leader's faith. What I am concerned about is their integrity and their deeds that flow out of whatever value system they have. That is why I had no problems with Romney's Mormonism. It is obviously wrong, but the values that he would have brought to the Presidency would have been almost identical to a normal Christian (family, life, small government, honesty, etc).
Palin is going to be a fine VP.
So your position is, then, that a person can be decent and honorable, even admirable, without being born again?
Doesn't that put you into conflict with a large number of the fundamentalist posters on this Board, and indeed with most of the Religious Right in America?
Not to mention God's word... Since that which is not done in faith is a sin....
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 5:10:11 PM
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For what it is worth, a guest on either Dennis Prager or Rush Limbaugh today (sorry, I forgot which one I was listening to) was present after Palin's election to governor. He said that she thanked everyone for their prayers, and that she could not function without them.
I am not so worried about a leader's faith. What I am concerned about is their integrity and their deeds that flow out of whatever value system they have. That is why I had no problems with Romney's Mormonism. It is obviously wrong, but the values that he would have brought to the Presidency would have been almost identical to a normal Christian (family, life, small government, honesty, etc).
Palin is going to be a fine VP.
So your position is, then, that a person can be decent and honorable, even admirable, without being born again?
Doesn't that put you into conflict with a large number of the fundamentalist posters on this Board, and indeed with most of the Religious Right in America?
To my knowledge no one has ever said that the unsaved could not be "decent and honorable, even admirable"; the problem is that they are still sinners doomed to any eternity without Christ
WOW!!! RHIPPIE... YOU'RE RIGHT ON TARGET.
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