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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/6/2008 12:01:14 PM
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Ask Hannity to name three accomplishments he's done that qualifies him to have his own show and I'll bet he'd struggle for answers.
- Julius
LOL...true.
Actually, false. He has often described his life from washing dishes to doing construction to getting a break in radio. He also often thanks God publicly for the blessing of having a successful radio career, and gives thanks to all of the listeners who continue to keep it that way.
Second, the few things a person needs to get their own radio program are a break and a good marketing team. In order to take it to the next level and actually have a successful radio program, you actually have to have something to say and the ability to say it well. Sean Hannity didn't get the 2nd most listened to talk radio program in the US by chance. He worked hard and made it. He is also probably one of the kindest and most generous people you could ever hope to meet. Just because he adamantly defends conservative values and exposes liberal fallacies doesn't make him a bad guy.
Third, it is pretty easy to name three things that qualify McCain to be President. From his military service to his extensive Senate career to his generous heart as displayed by his adoptions and the charity of giving many of his properties to others to live in. You can find just as many things that qualify Palin. She successfully governed a city and then a state, decimated wasteful spending, and puts her pro-life talk into walk.
Obama has done what? Gone to an Ivy League school, edited a law review, written two books about himself, wracked up an impressive collection of shady acquaintances, and spent 143 working days in the Senate? Oops, I forgot his street agitating experience for the corrupt ACORN.
So, it would be just as accurate to call Hannity a "dishwasher" as it would be to call Obama a "Community Organizer?"
Of the "accomplishments" you mentioned of Hannity, which one of those "qualifies" him to have his own radio show? I'll answer, none of them. Nada.
Those "accomplishments" you mentioned of McCain - which of them specifically qualifies him to be President? Name three. It's already been shown that Palin has embellished her resume somewhat, taking credit for things that just happened on her watch. So we can wait on her three accomplishments until we can verify at least one.
That's why I said at the beginning of this thread. If you like someone, of course their "accomplishments" mean more than the "accomplishments" of someone you don't like, so what's the point? That's true in politics and in life. I've been on and conducted enough interviews to know glowing resume's mean nothing if you're not the "preferred candidate."
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/6/2008 12:12:21 PM
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Let's not forget his sterling committment to the Subcommittee on European Affairs as committee chairman. Some of it's responsibility is NATO's use of troops. Senator Obama has held ZERO hearings on NATO's involvement in Afghanistan.
Zero is also the amount of money he's given his brother who lives in a shack made of garbage.
Well to be fair the subcommittee hasn't met at all since he took over as chairman. His only leadership position and he has never had to actually do anything, that's good stuff for a resume.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/6/2008 12:26:13 PM
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I've listed some of Obama's legislative accomplishments in the community organiser thread. Here seems more appropriate. This is what I've got so far (could be more, I haven't done a tonne of research into it yet):
Obama. S.2125
A bill to promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
Lugar-Obama. S.2566
A bill to provide for coordination of proliferation interdiction activities and conventional arms disarmament, and for other purposes.
Lugar press release crediting Obama as a major sponsor.
Coburn-Obama. S.2590
A bill to require full disclosure of all entities and organizations receiving Federal funds.
Coburn press release crediting Obama as a major sponsor.
I'll be back with some of Obama's ethics reform work and some important bills Obama introduced. The ones I've already listed are only bills that were passed into law. I could also list his work in the Illinois senate. But he sponsored over eight hundred bills as a state senator. That's a bit excessive.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/6/2008 12:42:21 PM
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I have to continue to look wiwth dismay at the continued lack of respect and acknowledgment of Barack Obama's accomplishments.
His life story is amazing, showing character (growing up in a single-parent, working class home and rising up to success through hard work, while being a racial minority in this country). His education was world-class and unmatched (two Ivy League schools...is that not valued at all?). He first job out of college, before law school, was to serve the needs of the poor as a community organizer. That is public service - as is joining the military or Peace Corps. It is not nothing as some people mock. Then after law school, he worked as a civil rights lawyer and taught constitutional law. Again, being a public servant and educator. And finally, he went on to work in state legislature and Senate. Those are not nothing. They are wonderful accomplishments.
One thing that is often mocked of Barack is his two memoirs. I do not necessarily agree with some of his points of view of America, but nevertheless, in them, he maps out an intellectual and philosophical history of America's past, present, and future that is the guiding vision of where he wants to take our country. It draws on his academic knowledge, his experience, and his convictions. The books serve as a guide of his ideals and guide for him. That ought not be mocked, but rather examined to learn from. Whether we agree with Obama or not on his policies and plans, we cannot dismiss his prior achievements as nothing.
Now whther those achievements are enough to qualify him for President and whether his total package is better than that of McCain can be argued.
One of the main problems it seems people have is that they believe Obama, despite having solid credentials, does not have the consistency of convictions and is still in a mode of self-discovery to lead our country. They fear he needs on the job training, which is a legitiate criticism. He seem to change his mind frequently on issues or not have an opinion at times. He is essentially not ready in many people's minds and is someone still learning the ropes.
...I think that can be looked at, because for the Presidency, you want someone who knows that their convictions are and ready to follow-through in action. I think Obama has a wonderful personal life story and wonderful accmoplishments, but may not yet be ready to lead from day one at the moment. I do not always agree with Obama and yes he has had many questionable associations that call into question his character, but nor does he lack noteworthy achievements. He just needs to have more time and experience imo, before I would personally trust him in a major political office.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/6/2008 12:50:26 PM
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I have to continue to look wiwth dismay at the continued lack of respect and acknowledgment of Barack Obama's accomplishments.
His life story is amazing, showing character (growing up in a single-parent, working class home and rising up to success through hard work, while being a racial minority in this country). His education was world-class and unmatched (two Ivy League schools...is that not valued at all?). He first job out of college, before law school, was to serve the needs of the poor as a community organizer. That is public service - as is joining the military or Peace Corps. It is not nothing as some people mock. Then after law school, he worked as a civil rights lawyer and taught constitutional law. Again, being a public servant and educator. And finally, he went on to work in state legislature and Senate. Those are not nothing. They are wonderful accomplishments.
One thing that is often mocked of Barack is his two memoirs. I do not necessarily agree with some of his points of view of America, but nevertheless, in them, he maps out an intellectual and philosophical history of America's past, present, and future that is the guiding vision of where he wants to take our country. It draws on his academic knowledge, his experience, and his convictions. They books serve as a guide of ideal and guide for him. That ought not be mocked, but rather examined to learn from. Whether we agree with Obama or not on his policies and plans, we cannot dismiss his prior achievements as nothing.
Now whther those achievements are enough to qualify him for President and whether his total package is better than that of McCain can be argued.
One of the main problems it seems people have is that they believe Obama, despite having solid credentials, does not have the consistency of convictions and is still in a mode of self-discovery to lead our country. They fear he needs on the job training, which is a legitiate criticism. He seem to change his mind frequently on issues or not have an opinion at times. He is essentially not ready in many people's minds and is someone still learning th ropes.
...I think that can be looked at, because for the Presidency, you want someone who knows that their convictions are and ready to follow-through in action. I think Obama has a wonderful personal life story and wonderful accmoplishments, but may not yet be ready to lead from day one at the moment. I do not always agree with Obama and yes he has had many questionable associations that call into question his character, but nor does he lack noteworthy achievements. He just needs to have more time and experience imo, before I would personally trust him in a major political office.
I do not wish to take away his personal accomplishments, but none of his accomplishments show one iota of leadership. He has only led classes and one subcommittee that hasn't met since he became chairman.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/6/2008 12:53:15 PM
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I have to continue to look wiwth dismay at the continued lack of respect and acknowledgment of Barack Obama's accomplishments.
His life story is amazing, showing character (growing up in a single-parent, working class home and rising up to success through hard work, while being a racial minority in this country). His education was world-class and unmatched (two Ivy League schools...is that not valued at all?). He first job out of college, before law school, was to serve the needs of the poor as a community organizer. That is public service - as is joining the military or Peace Corps. It is not nothing as some people mock. Then after law school, he worked as a civil rights lawyer and taught constitutional law. Again, being a public servant and educator. And finally, he went on to work in state legislature and Senate. Those are not nothing. They are wonderful accomplishments.
One thing that is often mocked of Barack is his two memoirs. I do not necessarily agree with some of his points of view of America, but nevertheless, in them, he maps out an intellectual and philosophical history of America's past, present, and future that is the guiding vision of where he wants to take our country. It draws on his academic knowledge, his experience, and his convictions. The books serve as a guide of his ideals and guide for him. That ought not be mocked, but rather examined to learn from. Whether we agree with Obama or not on his policies and plans, we cannot dismiss his prior achievements as nothing.
Now whther those achievements are enough to qualify him for President and whether his total package is better than that of McCain can be argued.
One of the main problems it seems people have is that they believe Obama, despite having solid credentials, does not have the consistency of convictions and is still in a mode of self-discovery to lead our country. They fear he needs on the job training, which is a legitiate criticism. He seem to change his mind frequently on issues or not have an opinion at times. He is essentially not ready in many people's minds and is someone still learning the ropes.
...I think that can be looked at, because for the Presidency, you want someone who knows that their convictions are and ready to follow-through in action. I think Obama has a wonderful personal life story and wonderful accmoplishments, but may not yet be ready to lead from day one at the moment. I do not always agree with Obama and yes he has had many questionable associations that call into question his character, but nor does he lack noteworthy achievements. He just needs to have more time and experience imo, before I would personally trust him in a major political office.
My sentiments exactly. 
- Julius
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/6/2008 12:53:17 PM
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Well when he become President that'll be a pretty impressive accomplishment to go on his resume.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/6/2008 2:35:47 PM
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I have to continue to look wiwth dismay at the continued lack of respect and acknowledgment of Barack Obama's accomplishments.
His life story is amazing, showing character (growing up in a single-parent, working class home and rising up to success through hard work, while being a racial minority in this country). His education was world-class and unmatched (two Ivy League schools...is that not valued at all?). He first job out of college, before law school, was to serve the needs of the poor as a community organizer. That is public service - as is joining the military or Peace Corps. It is not nothing as some people mock. Then after law school, he worked as a civil rights lawyer and taught constitutional law. Again, being a public servant and educator. And finally, he went on to work in state legislature and Senate. Those are not nothing. They are wonderful accomplishments.
One thing that is often mocked of Barack is his two memoirs. I do not necessarily agree with some of his points of view of America, but nevertheless, in them, he maps out an intellectual and philosophical history of America's past, present, and future that is the guiding vision of where he wants to take our country. It draws on his academic knowledge, his experience, and his convictions. The books serve as a guide of his ideals and guide for him. That ought not be mocked, but rather examined to learn from. Whether we agree with Obama or not on his policies and plans, we cannot dismiss his prior achievements as nothing.
Now whther those achievements are enough to qualify him for President and whether his total package is better than that of McCain can be argued.
One of the main problems it seems people have is that they believe Obama, despite having solid credentials, does not have the consistency of convictions and is still in a mode of self-discovery to lead our country. They fear he needs on the job training, which is a legitiate criticism. He seem to change his mind frequently on issues or not have an opinion at times. He is essentially not ready in many people's minds and is someone still learning the ropes.
...I think that can be looked at, because for the Presidency, you want someone who knows that their convictions are and ready to follow-through in action. I think Obama has a wonderful personal life story and wonderful accmoplishments, but may not yet be ready to lead from day one at the moment. I do not always agree with Obama and yes he has had many questionable associations that call into question his character, but nor does he lack noteworthy achievements. He just needs to have more time and experience imo, before I would personally trust him in a major political office.
How can you possibly be dismayed? I have yet to see any experience that qualifies Him in any way to be President of the United States.
Being the darling of Oprah and her New Age guru Eckhart Tolle, does not qualify him for anything more than her next book club selection. Regardless of how evolved they all feel they and Obama are.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/6/2008 2:41:07 PM
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In fairness we should give Obama credit for his accomplishments;
When he was in the Illinois State Senate he made a great and coragious stand for the propagation of infanticide.
And I do think he should be remembered for that stand.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/6/2008 2:50:59 PM
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In fairness we should give Obama credit for his accomplishments;
When he was in the Illinois State Senate he made a great and coragious stand for the propagation of infanticide.
And I do think he should be remembered for that stand.
Thanks
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Preacher I think you should post that at least ONE more time. Just in case someone missed it.
- Julius
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/6/2008 2:52:16 PM
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Preacher I think you should post that at least ONE more time. Just in case someone missed it.
I forgot, the left doesn't think infanticide is anything to be concerned about....
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/6/2008 3:01:38 PM
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How can you possibly be dismayed? I have yet to see any experience that qualifies Him in any way to be President of the United States.
See? This thread is an exercise in futility. No matter what someone posts, McCain supporters will never admit anything Obama has done qualifies him to be president. Meanwhile, both McCain and The Governor of The Great State of Alaska and Future Vice-President of the United States of America, The Honorable Sarah Palin have googobs of accomplishments and experience to lead the free world and the universe if they had too. Even if all The Governor of The Great State of Alaska and Future Vice-President of the United States of America, The Honorable Sarah Palin did was work at McDonalds, her supporters would insist this was more important than being a (yuk, yuk) "Comuuuuuuuuuuuunity Organizer". So why bother trying to argue with these folks? They're still in a daze. Wait a few weeks when the luster from their love fest wears off.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/6/2008 3:02:16 PM
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In fairness we should give Obama credit for his accomplishments;
When he was in the Illinois State Senate he made a great and coragious stand for the propagation of infanticide.
And I do think he should be remembered for that stand.
Thanks
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Preacher I think you should post that at least ONE more time. Just in case someone missed it.
- Julius
I forgot, the left doesn't think infanticide is anything to be concerned about....
And conservatives take infanticide so lightly that they throw it around like it rolls off the tongue. Any decent person knows that Obama has never supported infanticide. If you actually did some research you'd find that Obama didn't support the bill in question because there was an existing bill in place similar to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. It's pretty extreme to call that infanticide. Infanticide is a pretty terrible thing. The killing of new born babies. To throw it around like that, as a smear, is disgraceful.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/6/2008 3:05:47 PM
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Julius, it is true that many are not objective. It is best to leave an accurate opinion on the thread and leave it at that if these situations arise.
To be sure, there are in fact many who are fair. But you are correct, unfortunatley, that many are not objective/fair. We can only argue and talk up to a certain point when that is the case. At the point, we have to let it go, unless they sincerely try to correct their misperceptions.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/6/2008 5:10:48 PM
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And conservatives take infanticide so lightly that they throw it around like it rolls off the tongue. Any decent person knows that Obama has never supported infanticide. If you actually did some research you'd find that Obama didn't support the bill in question because there was an existing bill in place similar to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. It's pretty extreme to call that infanticide. Infanticide is a pretty terrible thing. The killing of new born babies. To throw it around like that, as a smear, is disgraceful.
Or so the baby killers would have us to believe.
A review of the tapes and transcripts and the other bill prove the above post as pure DNC talking points and nothing more.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/6/2008 7:29:30 PM
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See? This thread is an exercise in futility. No matter what someone posts, McCain supporters will never admit anything Obama has done qualifies him to be president.
Julius, please tell us what he has done that qualifies him to be presdent, a leader of the highest caliber.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/6/2008 7:33:20 PM
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See? This thread is an exercise in futility. No matter what someone posts, McCain supporters will never admit anything Obama has done qualifies him to be president.
Julius, please tell us what he has done that qualifies him to be presdent, a leader of the highest caliber.
Nothing.
That you would accept.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/6/2008 7:36:07 PM
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See? This thread is an exercise in futility. No matter what someone posts, McCain supporters will never admit anything Obama has done qualifies him to be president.
Julius, please tell us what he has done that qualifies him to be presdent, a leader of the highest caliber.
Nothing.
That you would accept.
- Julius
All i am asking for is some proof of leadership skills. I have no problem admiting that he has the leadership skills. I still wouldn't vote for him based on his views but i could admire his abilities if he had any.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/6/2008 10:08:44 PM
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So, it would be just as accurate to call Hannity a "dishwasher" as it would be to call Obama a "Community Organizer?"
Ummm... I am not tracking this one, Goose. The Obama campaign and the Obamamaniacs are the ones that swoon over "community organizing" and make it a supposed qualification for President. I guess if you want to call Hannity a dishwasher, you sure can. I used to shovel manure, so you can call me a poo-pusher too, if you wanna. I guess I don't get your question.
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Of the "accomplishments" you mentioned of Hannity, which one of those "qualifies" him to have his own radio show? I'll answer, none of them. Nada.
I didn't realize that there was a list of qualifications needed for one to become a radio host, other than whatever the employer happens to require. That could be intern experience and a degree in broadcasting, or it could be that you have an uber-sexy voice. Your analogy doesn't work because the position of radio talkshow host is a job in non-essential entertainment, a job that can be broken into by pretty much anyone with the drive and personality to do so.
POTUS is a much more important job, and the qualifications to get hired aren't up to one boss, but up to every American. Obama is seriously deficient in the main qualifying category of leadership/decision making. He has the same life experience as a lot of Americans: went to college, got a job, did some volunteer work. He managed to get elected to a lawmaking position. That's great, but I don't know why anyone would give the ultimate job to someone who has only worked for 143 days without any major accomplishments.
He wrote two books about himself... that's an accomplishment, I guess. But not one that has anything to do with being the POTUS.
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Those "accomplishments" you mentioned of McCain - which of them specifically qualifies him to be President? Name three.
I already did... He has 25 years of working in the government he wishes to head. He knows military discipline and the dark side of war. He has compassion on the orphan and widow (adopted one (several times) and houses the other). He has 30 more years of life experience in general under his belt than the Democratic nominee. This may not mean much to some, but many others (myself included) understand how important the wisdom of our elders is.
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It's already been shown that Palin has embellished her resume somewhat, taking credit for things that just happened on her watch. So we can wait on her three accomplishments until we can verify at least one.
Oh, you mean the VICE PRESIDENTIAL nominee? The one that has even more experience governing and leading than the Democratic PRESIDENTIAL nominee?
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That's why I said at the beginning of this thread. If you like someone, of course their "accomplishments" mean more than the "accomplishments" of someone you don't like, so what's the point? That's true in politics and in life. I've been on and conducted enough interviews to know glowing resume's mean nothing if you're not the "preferred candidate."
- Julius
There certainly is a preference factor involved, but objectively there is just no way that Obama's resume has anywhere near the executive qualifications that McCain's does.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/7/2008 10:16:11 AM
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See? This thread is an exercise in futility. No matter what someone posts, McCain supporters will never admit anything Obama has done qualifies him to be president. Meanwhile, both McCain and The Governor of The Great State of Alaska and Future Vice-President of the United States of America, The Honorable Sarah Palin have googobs of accomplishments and experience to lead the free world and the universe if they had too. Even if all The Governor of The Great State of Alaska and Future Vice-President of the United States of America, The Honorable Sarah Palin did was work at McDonalds, her supporters would insist this was more important than being a (yuk, yuk) "Comuuuuuuuuuuuunity Organizer". So why bother trying to argue with these folks? They're still in a daze. Wait a few weeks when the luster from their love fest wears off.
Exactly.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/7/2008 12:34:43 PM
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See? This thread is an exercise in futility. No matter what someone posts, McCain supporters will never admit anything Obama has done qualifies him to be president. Meanwhile, both McCain and The Governor of The Great State of Alaska and Future Vice-President of the United States of America, The Honorable Sarah Palin have googobs of accomplishments and experience to lead the free world and the universe if they had too. Even if all The Governor of The Great State of Alaska and Future Vice-President of the United States of America, The Honorable Sarah Palin did was work at McDonalds, her supporters would insist this was more important than being a (yuk, yuk) "Comuuuuuuuuuuuunity Organizer". So why bother trying to argue with these folks? They're still in a daze. Wait a few weeks when the luster from their love fest wears off.
Exactly.
For both of you once again, what has BO done that shows the slightest bit of leadership skills?
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/7/2008 12:54:28 PM
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Among other things, Obama ran a successful campaign against a wildly popular and establishment-supported Hillary Clinton. That's gonna take some serious leadership I think, among other things.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/7/2008 12:55:51 PM
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There certainly is a preference factor involved, but objectively there is just no way that Obama's resume has anywhere near the executive qualifications that McCain's does.
What are McCain's executive qualifications that Obama cannot touch?
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/7/2008 1:02:05 PM
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saved9201
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See? This thread is an exercise in futility. No matter what someone posts, McCain supporters will never admit anything Obama has done qualifies him to be president. Meanwhile, both McCain and The Governor of The Great State of Alaska and Future Vice-President of the United States of America, The Honorable Sarah Palin have googobs of accomplishments and experience to lead the free world and the universe if they had too. Even if all The Governor of The Great State of Alaska and Future Vice-President of the United States of America, The Honorable Sarah Palin did was work at McDonalds, her supporters would insist this was more important than being a (yuk, yuk) "Comuuuuuuuuuuuunity Organizer". So why bother trying to argue with these folks? They're still in a daze. Wait a few weeks when the luster from their love fest wears off.
Exactly.
For both of you once again, what has BO done that shows the slightest bit of leadership skills?
And once again....
Absolutely, positively, undoubtedly nothing compared to Senator John Rambo McCain and The Governor of The Great State of Alaska and Future Vice-President of the United States of America, The Honorable Sarah Palin.
Nothing, that is, that you would accept.
- Julius
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/7/2008 1:09:10 PM
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Psalms274
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Among other things, Obama ran a successful campaign against a wildly popular and establishment-supported Hillary Clinton. That's gonna take some serious leadership I think, among other things.
I disagree. I am not sure having a lot of support is an indication that someone will make a good leader ... (I am not comparing Obama with the list that follows in my next sentence ... just attempting to make a point) ... A charismatic person can find it easy to get others to follow ... Hitler, Lenin Manson and Osama Bin Laden are a good examples of the "darkside" of charisma. You can have very dark ideas and get others to blindly follow with a charismatic personality. You can also be a so so leader (in terms of ideas and judgment) and have a charismatic personality that gets many to follow( which is probably the case with Obama).
I do not believe Obama has the judgment it takes. He was against the war when all of the intelligence stated there was WMD in Iraq ... that was a lucky guess ... not based on any facts he had in front of him. He was very wrong on the surge (and still will not admit it) and has a difficult time with making decisions on a regular bases. (An example of that is "voting" present instead of yes or no on a hard issue.) Our President doesn't have the luxury to vote present ... it's either yes or no.
I Have no doubt in his ability to get people to follow ... and I am willing to bet he can get people to follow even when he makes poor decisions because of his charisma. But I do not believe he has the good judgment and decisiveness that is needed to make a great President.
< Message edited by Psalms274 -- 9/7/2008 1:19:34 PM >
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